Evidence for creationism

[GhostWriter16]

Don't be rude, Domination. It's like saying, "I don't know who you are, Dommy, but I've heard you're a moron." How about actually doing some research before posting next time?

Well, I remember reading something a long time ago about it. I'll have to read up more on it.

I don't believe in Satan, because the existence of a powerful, malignant entity able to challenge God is completely incompatible with my belief that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and infinitely forgiving.

You do realize we don't believe God created him as Satan right? He chose that for himself. And no, he can't really challenge God, his loss is inevitable.

 

[Miles Teg]

No, we don't need God to explain those things, but we have to explain where the SCIENCE that ALLOWS lightning came from in the first place. Even if you believe in evolution, you should still believe in God because those concepts had to have been created by God.

That makes no sense whatsoever; although it may just be a flaw in the delivery. Physics work the way they work because it's an inherent property of the Universe. I'm not aware of the details of how the Universe emerged, so I couldn't tell you why these inherent properties exist.

Perhaps you would care to explain why exactly God has certain inherrent properties, without reference to his own personal creator? Namely, a suite of omni-somethings, a strange fondness for dead baby humor, and an inexplicable allergy to iron chariots.

 

[Ajidica]

You do realize we don't believe God created him as Satan right? He chose that for himself. And no, he can't really challenge God, his loss is inevitable.

You stated earlier that those who know God are good. Lucifer knew God personaly yet he still 'fell'. What does that have to say about your assertion?
Furthermore, God created Lucifer with free will, or the ability to chose. Since I believe according to Milton God created Lucifer before humanity, God made the same mistake again by giving humans free will.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

The Bible says that Lucifer was rotten from the start. That can only mean that God created an evil being unless I'm reading it wrong. Then that being was allowed to exist at least long enough to cause the separation between Man and God. I don't get why this was allowed. Why blame human beings for rebelling when it was God who allowed evil to exist? Why give people the choice at all if is sin so much more appealing than following God? Why does God see fit to make it so difficult to obey? Why were human beings created if only a small minority are destined to be damned while others are not?

You don't need science to doubt God, just philosophy.

 

[El_Machinae]

That makes no sense whatsoever; although it may just be a flaw in the delivery. Physics work the way they work because it's an inherent property of the Universe. I'm not aware of the details of how the Universe emerged, so I couldn't tell you why these inherent properties exist.

Perhaps you would care to explain why exactly God has certain inherrent properties, without reference to his own personal creator? Namely, a suite of omni-somethings, a strange fondness for dead baby humor, and an inexplicable allergy to iron chariots.

Well, any god's abilities are an inherent property of the universe that it exists in. Gods' powers, just like our powers, are a natural phenomenon decided by the underlying reality.

 

[Arakhor]

Theologically, if God is a perfect being, he could not create anything that is imperfect or in error. Likewise, if he is infinitely good, he could not by definition create anything evil or immoral.

On the corporeal level, whether or not a cosmic entity kick-started the Big Bang, YEC has no logical or scientific basis that I can think of in the slightest, which is why I started this thread in the scientific interest of seeing if I'm wrong.

 

[El_Machinae]

I agree that an imperfect universe disproves a perfect creator.

 

[GoodGame]

What happened to Perfection KOs creationism?

Sounds like we need a new volume.


Anyways: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scientific+evidence+for+creationism

This one is pretty funny: http://www.bibleplus.org/creation/evidence.htm

The Male - Female Problem

The simplest and most compelling argument for Creation is the male/female pairing issue.

Abstract: If an animal mates with another animal not of its exact species, the result will be a sterile creature (e.g. a horse mating with a donkey produces a sterile mule). If animals of a given species mate and produce an abnormal offspring (i.e. a mutant), it also is sterile.

To answer this one, I'd just heard today in class that a gene that modifies Histones at the H3 molecule was found some time ago to be one cause of the sterility occasionally caused by cross-breeding. Some of them have been found for some species, though it's newer research (only a few years old). Though of course not all cross-breeding results in sterility. So what if we knock-out these sterility genes? Problem? Let's try it!

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Well this thread is supposed to be about evidence I suppose, rather than KO'ing

 

[Murky]

I don't think such a thing really exists (That's why I'm an atheist). I mean, if you believe in God because you don't understand how life could have formed without a designer, or don't understand how the Universe could be anything other than created by some intelligence, you're just begging to have your faith knocked down in twenty or thirty years by scientific advances. That intellectual posture is called the "God of Gaps" for good reason, because if your answer to every big, mysterious fact of life that you don't understand is "God did it", God keeps getting smaller every year. Perhaps 300 years ago we needed God to explain where lightning came from and why the seasons changed, but we've moved past that point.

I didn't say that "God did it. "

So far there hasn't been a satisfactory explanation for why the universe exists in the first place and why it's perfectly suited for life. That's where most atheist's arguments fall apart and why I'm not one. I prefer to leave the God question as unanswered and the origin of the universe as an unknown.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

We are here to observe it in in an intelligent manner.

If the universe wasn't suited for that, we wouldn't be posting here

 

[kill fire]

You do realize we don't believe God created him as Satan right? He chose that for himself. And no, he can't really challenge God, his loss is inevitable.

If God knows everything, he must have therefore known what Lucifer would do before he did it, and you would think he would then simply decide to not make him in the first place.

 

[Miles Teg]

So far there hasn't been a satisfactory explanation for why the universe exists in the first place and why it's perfectly suited for life.

I'm sorry, but how is the universe perfectly suited for life? Even if we focus on the purely physical realm, it doesn't seem that to me like it is.

 

[Smidlee]

I never knew that according to the bible, dragons live in palaces. Pleasant ones to boot. I wonder if they built them or did they hire contractors for the job?

The only way you can be an honest Christian, is by not reading the bible.
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unicorn are also found in scripture yet just so you know it's not referring to the "Hollywood" kind. Dragons as in serpents.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I never knew that according to the bible, dragons live in palaces. Pleasant ones to boot. I wonder if they built them or did they hire contractors for the job?

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Most modern translations say jackals, not dragons. Words generally translated as dragon can refer to more mundane serpents too.

It does not say that they live there normally, but that the city will become so desolate and abandoned that it will be reclaimed by the wilderness and only wild beasts will live there.

 

[Murky]

We are here to observe it in in an intelligent manner.

Why are we here?

If the universe wasn't suited for that, we wouldn't be posting here

If the universe was not fine tuned to support life, life could not exist.

 

[Murky]

I'm sorry, but how is the universe perfectly suited for life? Even if we focus on the purely physical realm, it doesn't seem that to me like it is.

If it wasn't we wouldn't be having this conversation would we?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

It's a circular argument though.

 

[Miles Teg]

If it wasn't we wouldn't be having this conversation would we?

Err... no? As far as we can tell, life only exists in a tiny out of the way corner of a largish galaxy, rotating a round a stolid upper middle class Sun. Our type of solar system seems rare, so if other planets with life exist, they must be pretty uncommon. If the Universe was really perfectly suited for life, wouldn't we be seeing a little more of it? I mean, obviously we live in a Universe where life is possible, but it seems like God was more interested in making a Universe fine-tuned to produce a ton of brown dwarfs, and life was kind of an accident.

 

[Murky]

Err... no? As far as we can tell, life only exists in a tiny out of the way corner of a largish galaxy, rotating a round a stolid upper middle class Sun. Our type of solar system seems rare, so if other planets with life exist, they must be pretty uncommon. If the Universe was really perfectly suited for life, wouldn't we be seeing a little more of it? I mean, obviously we live in a Universe where life is possible, but it seems like God was more interested in making a Universe fine-tuned to produce a ton of brown dwarfs, and life was kind of an accident.

We haven't explored enough of it to know one way or another. It is vast enough that there could be millions of earth like worlds out there we and wouldn't know it.