It may not technically make saves unloadable, but it will ruin the game for any leaders with that trait unless you give them a replacement.
Edit: And you would need to tell me before you do this so I can change my traits to be compatable.
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It may not technically make saves unloadable, but it will ruin the game for any leaders with that trait unless you give them a replacement.
Edit: And you would need to tell me before you do this so I can change my traits to be compatable.
Sounds like you wouldn't want it do go. Thats cool.
As you know I think their are slightly too many traits. If one was to get the 'arse' as we say down under, progressist would be first in line to the chopping block imo. All good though.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
Really,
this is what it said for your Country:Australia
In the past few years, the term "progressive" has been used in Australia to refer to what used to be called "The Third Way." The term is popular in Australia, and it is often used in place of "social liberal." The term "liberalism" has become associated with free markets and small government; in other words "classical liberalism." Progressivism is used to differentiate between the two-party political system of the classical-economic liberal Liberal Party and the protectionist-working class Labor Party.
The Australian Greens represent the third largest political party in the country, polling around 12% with 9 senators and one newly elected member of the Australian House of Representatives (elected in the 2010 Australian federal election). The party espouses progressive ideologies, together with grassroots democracy and participatory democracy.
Really,
Australia
In the past few years, the term "progressive" has been used in Australia to refer to what used to be called "The Third Way." The term is popular in Australia, and it is often used in place of "social liberal." The term "liberalism" has become associated with free markets and small government; in other words "classical liberalism." Progressivism is used to differentiate between the two-party political system of the classical-economic liberal Liberal Party and the protectionist-working class Labor Party.
The Australian Greens represent the third largest political party in the country, polling around 12% with 9 senators and one newly elected member of the Australian House of Representatives (elected in the 2010 Australian federal election). The party espouses progressive ideologies, together with grassroots democracy and participatory democracy.
I'm confused, what are you talking about? (apart from politics obviously
)Are you saying that this trait should stay because its relevant - as exampled in current Australian politics?
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
It's a snippet of what you get when you look up Progressist on wikipedia.
I understand where you're coming from. I don't think it'd be a bad idea though to have a trait set focused on cheapening and expanding the utility of upgrades but as I said it'll take a bit of work on some new tags to flesh it out. So putting it a bit of a futuristic purgatory for now works just fine for me.
I understand where you're coming from. I don't think it'd be a bad idea though to have a trait set focused on cheapening and expanding the utility of upgrades but as I said it'll take a bit of work on some new tags to flesh it out. So putting it a bit of a futuristic purgatory for now works just fine for me.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
I'm confused, what are you talking about? (apart from politics obviously
Are you saying that this trait should stay because its relevant - as exampled in current Australian politics?
Nah, lets get rid of it.
Just wanted to jot down a couple of ideas for an upcoming trait tweak. Also wanted to say that http://www.ninc.at/de/blog/civilization-4-bts-caveman2cosmos-mod-32-leaderheads-and-traits.html is really cool!
Any suggestions welcome.
- Organized - +10%
in capital to +20% - Humanitarian - change -crime to -disease
- Isolationist - an extra 5%
- Anti-clerical - change % based free units to a solid number. So from +8 to like 22.
- Scientific - +25% war wariness instead of 20
- Temperamental - change to -1 xp instead of -2
- Excessive - +15% xp needed for promo up from 10
- Barbaric - 2 free xp for new units, xtra 1 crime, -25% culture instead of 10 but no great people penalty.
- Industrious - add +disease and but also some sort of bonus thats relevant early game, +4 from the prehistoric quarry type improvements is what i'm thinking.
Any suggestions welcome.
Ended up implementing all of these today pretty much to the letter except for a couple of small additions. Industrious is +3 for the prehistoric quarry, +5 for quarry [ By the way I loaded my game as Curtin{Industrious} and I have stone and clay near capital and boy o boy this bonus is nice! Especially with the already +1 from tiles that have 7, the clay was producing 13 a turn that's before my city even adds the production modifiers, such as +50% for building horseman +25% for military units.
Might end up reducing this bonus to 2 & 4 i'll wait and see. Gave nomad another dog promotion and tweaked some of the property stuff including changing humanitarian to - disease etc.
My next tweak will be an introduction of some of the new new tags that thunderbrd implemented, didn't do them today coz i'm just getting back into the swing of things, been awhile.
for the prehistoric quarry, +5 for quarry [ By the way I loaded my game as Curtin{Industrious} and I have stone and clay near capital and boy o boy this bonus is nice! Especially with the already +1 from tiles that have 7, the clay was producing 13 a turn that's before my city even adds the production modifiers, such as +50% for building horseman +25% for military units. Might end up reducing this bonus to 2 & 4 i'll wait and see. Gave nomad another dog promotion and tweaked some of the property stuff including changing humanitarian to - disease etc.My next tweak will be an introduction of some of the new new tags that thunderbrd implemented, didn't do them today coz i'm just getting back into the swing of things, been awhile.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
geez really, you been gone 
Humanitarian gives -6 disease when disease = 2* population.
That should explain the fluctuation, in that you will not always have -6 disease unless there is enough disease to warrant it.
Yes, it explains fluctuations but what I meant was that it shouldn't work this way. Every turn several diseases vanish from city and it becomes healthy and every other turn they return back.
I like this better than lets say a flat -6 disease where disease will fall for 100's of turns before any +disease becomes available. Also in terms of realism and context, I feel like to be humanitarian there is a prerequisite need for relief. In other words, its not preventative - it only exists when there is a need for it.
Suggested change to mechanic:
instead of:
0 for disease < 50
-6 for disease >= 50
how about:
0 for disease < 50
-(disease-50)/50 for disease > 50
no discontinuity at the threshold. Progressive effect. Obviously would need a DLL change and/or tagging change to support it though.
Its currently -6 disease when disease is greater than or equal to population times two. Its not >= 50, your confusing me.
Also math isn't my strong but I think I understand what your suggesting Koshling and I don't think its worth me trying to figure out how to do that via the property xml (only just got my head around what I have implemented), since I don't think its much better than whats already in place.
Replace '50' with whatever the threshold calculation is. The point is that by making the above-threshold contribution proportional to how much above the threshold it is (rather than how much above 0) you get only very small effects near the threshold, an the tendency to oscillate is removed. However, it probably isn't worthwhile (or at least is low priority) in the grand scheme of things.
I do like the idea Koshling, its just I would have no clue how to do it frankly. Would need AIAndy to give an example of the xml, if its even currently possibly that is.
The traits in C2C are completely unbalanced. I was wondering why some leaders are always far ahead and others always way back. So i started i few games without traits and the AI players are much closer to each other in terms of game score.
I make a few more tests to confirm this.
I make a few more tests to confirm this.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Yeah, I still have yet to develop out the trait scheme I'd intended to... I had a method by which I was balancing them. Can't say the leaders would all keep the same pace but each would be competitive in differing ways... which is what traits are supposed to do.
