Eyes and Light

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there are posters who are outright blind online, though i'm not sure about cfc. one of the paradox players is though; they've talked about it on forums before. iirc they describe what you "see" then as similar to what you "see" with a covered eye while looking through an uncovered one, rather than any particular color.
 
Of there's posters that are blind online, many people do see a dark color with closed eyes, some of the users in this forum that are colorblind.
 
People frequently see a dark color with closed eyelids depending on what physical environment they're in when light is not facing them, which is true. There are billions of people in the world that see a dark color with closed eyelids, usually a blackish color but it's not true black. Don't you mean people can't visualize things in color, and I'm not talking about dreams or mental visualization.

Your last sentence is unclear. Visualizing things in color and mental visualization are the same thing. If you mean seeing things in color, say so.
 
Your last sentence is unclear. Visualizing things in color and mental visualization are the same thing. If you mean seeing things in color, say so.
It is the same thing, but this is a physiology thread and not a psychology thread.
 
It is the same thing, but this is a physiology thread and not a psychology thread.

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Who's talking about psychology? It's not a psychological thing if someone is color-blind or can't perceive things in color.

What is the meaning or value of any of this?

I'm wondering that myself. It's an odd subject for a first foray onto a gaming forum.
 
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Who's talking about psychology? It's not a psychological thing if someone is color-blind or can't perceive things in color.



I'm wondering that myself. It's an odd subject for a first foray onto a gaming forum.
Whatever, It isn't a odd subject onto a gaming forum, though.
 
All people see light when their eyes are open and see darkness when they close their eyes because their eyelids block out the light, why do people see light when their eyes are open and darkness when their eyes are closed?
so... you're asking what the lack of color is, if it isn't black? physically, "black" is the lack of color, ie darkness, which just means that there's no reflective light bouncing off a surface towards your eyes (within the wavelengths of light you can see). what you see is always reflected light bouncing off or coming through material. link. some blacks are blacker than other blacks, and material can never absorb all light, even superblacks like vantablack. it's never as dark as empty space, where nothing is reflected. that's the physical part.

then there's human experience. someone else said it, but: while eyelids are near opaque, they're slightly translucent. as you point out, what's seen is a degree of a reddish brown, varying from very dark to very very dark depending on the surrounding light. the difference is so subtle that it's experienced as darkness/black. (i don't know about valka's situation.) you wanted the physics of this, not the psychology, but you can't have it just one way when discussing human experience. the physics of experience is often within the field of psychology, overlapping with some human biology naturally. there's a bunch of quirks in human experience that have physical foundations for its explanation but has to do with our brain interpreting the world to simplify it. for example, all humans have a tiny blind spot in our vision that our brain removes to make every day more manageable (here's a link, noting that a blind spot is normal). "physics" can explain the blind spot, since it's there because a part of our eye receptors are blocked internally in the eye, but they aren't sufficient for explaining where the color in between "comes from", since it's just the brain lying to you. there's not a "physics" explanation for this light, as it's not externally bouncing light, but your brain soup going "let's simplify this". so you can't just use physics for that.
 
I lurk on another site where this same question got asked, and among the responses was someone saying he'd seen it on other sites yet. There's some kind of prank afoot.
 
I lurk on another site where this same question got asked, and among the responses was someone saying he'd seen it on other sites yet. There's some kind of prank afoot.
i mean yea seemed like trolling to me, but idk i'm bored
 
Not faulting you for giving your nice answer, Angst. And I myself boredom-post fairly often. I took it as kind of absurdist, and I actually wish there was a little bit more of that on the site, like the SWAGGART or SWITT question, e.g.
 
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I like how that one got cut off.
 
When you close your eyes you see the insides of your eyelids, the skin and blood, and the swirling iridescent oils of your eyes, illuminated by what light gets through.
 
Whatever, It isn't a odd subject onto a gaming forum, though.
Color-blindness is a physiological thing, I didn't say it was a psychology thing.

so... you're asking what the lack of color is, if it isn't black? physically, "black" is the lack of color, ie darkness, which just means that there's no reflective light bouncing off a surface towards your eyes (within the wavelengths of light you can see). what you see is always reflected light bouncing off or coming through material. link. some blacks are blacker than other blacks, and material can never absorb all light, even superblacks like vantablack. it's never as dark as empty space, where nothing is reflected. that's the physical part.

then there's human experience. someone else said it, but: while eyelids are near opaque, they're slightly translucent. as you point out, what's seen is a degree of a reddish brown, varying from very dark to very very dark depending on the surrounding light. the difference is so subtle that it's experienced as darkness/black. (i don't know about valka's situation.) you wanted the physics of this, not the psychology, but you can't have it just one way when discussing human experience. the physics of experience is often within the field of psychology, overlapping with some human biology naturally. there's a bunch of quirks in human experience that have physical foundations for its explanation but has to do with our brain interpreting the world to simplify it. for example, all humans have a tiny blind spot in our vision that our brain removes to make every day more manageable (here's a link, noting that a blind spot is normal). "physics" can explain the blind spot, since it's there because a part of our eye receptors are blocked internally in the eye, but they aren't sufficient for explaining where the color in between "comes from", since it's just the brain lying to you. there's not a "physics" explanation for this light, as it's not externally bouncing light, but your brain soup going "let's simplify this". so you can't just use physics for that.
All people see a blackish color when they close their eyes.
When you close your eyes you see the insides of your eyelids, the skin and blood, and the swirling iridescent oils of your eyes, illuminated by what light gets through.
I just closed my eyes in my room with the lights off with the TV on, I saw a blackish color when I closed my eyes in my room with the lights off with the TV on.
 
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When I close my eyes, I see the possible scenes in my novel project playing out, like a TV show or movie. It comes complete with music and whatever special effects would be appropriate, and the challenge is to translate all that into prose.

As for the thread, my BS detector went off immediately.
 
When I close my eyes, I see the possible scenes in my novel project playing out, like a TV show or movie. It comes complete with music and whatever special effects would be appropriate, and the challenge is to translate all that into prose.

As for the thread, my BS detector went off immediately.
This is a physiological thread, not a thread about mental images.
 
This is a physiological thread, not a thread about mental images.

This is a thread where the OP has been spammed on multiple forums. Do not presume to dictate to me what it's about. Mental images involve the sense of sight and the way the brain works (or doesn't). The brain is an organ, which makes it about physiology.

Thread drift happens here in CFCOT. If you're going to post the same thing on multiple forums, know the territory you're getting into. Some forums would have shut this down already.
 
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