Eyewitness Report From Fallujah: Lords Of The Flies

[SeleucusNicator]

I don't detect any superiority. I actually detect sympathy:

Ah, selective quoting. Two can play that game, friend.

Americans. I have the impression that there are no other words except "****" and "****". Each communication, each order is accompanied by a flow of '****s', '****s' and 'bull****s'. I look at Americans with a pity. The Russian language is much more powerful with emotional expressions.

A dark-skinned hawk-nosed GI, pure Peruvian by his look, noticed me among the "wax-skinned" Iraqis and menacingly moved to me. The edge of his helmet was at the level of my chin, and I could not see his eyes. This was dangerous.

"Who are you?" asked he. My English is far from perfection, but his is even further.

... Generally, it is very notable how many various "colored-skin" soldiers are among the Americans. Suddenly I remembered my service near Baikal Lake in Siberia and my company of hundred people, which included only thirty Russians, five people from Caucasus like me, and all the others from Central Asia. Among the "colored-skin" GIs "Latinos" are largest group, then Africans and semi-Africans. The officers are mostly whites but there are also blacks... But I cannot understand at all, why the US Army soldiers speak broken English!!

 

[zulu9812]

A natural reaction to being prodded and bullied by pig-ignorant stupid men, no?

 

[Speedo]

Nonetheless, even if he was anti-american, the reportage of iraqis saying that the Americans are handing prisoners over to the Iraqi army/police to be shot is not easily dismissed:

Except that we have no proof that this article was written by the man who is claimed as the author. In fact, we have no evidence at all to show that it isn't purely fiction. The weight given to any claims made by him is exactly... zero.

A natural reaction to being prodded and bullied by pig-ignorant stupid men, no?

No superiority, huh?

 

[Jawz II]

And who exactly would enjoy something like that?

Note: "Anybody who is on the right may actually not like the sight and smell of mutlitated, putrifying bodies. Your genius astounds me.

Yeah a few thousand people were killed in a relatively small area, its not going to be pretty.

But this really doesn't have anything to do with the message the reporter is trying to send

wild guess here, but you wouldnt happen to be a teenager with a "kill em all.."
attitude?

you know, one that hasnt even seen a dead body in real life?

and what reporter are you talking about?
the writer is obviously a doctor with some kind of organization, like the red cross

the best kind of people there is, someone like you and me (but specially you) wont come close to him in goody points

more cojones and heart

 

[zulu9812]

Except that we have no proof that this article was written by the man who is claimed as the author. In fact, we have no evidence at all to show that it isn't purely fiction. The weight given to any claims made by him is exactly... zero.

You could say this about ANYTHING. For example, I have absolutely no proof that you are who you claim to be.

 

[Juka The Dumb]

or instance, his attempts to paint Americans as Nazis. Like refering to talking to one was reminded him of such

the differnce is that the nazis were more theral in their actions,and clearer in their goals.and their leader was smarter..

 

[andrewgprv]

Other accounts of life in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2004/iraq_log/default.stm

 

[Renata]

The guy doesn't come off as very sympathetic, does he? Racist twit.

I'm beginning to think that all of these reports are utterly pointless. War is hell on earth; anyone with half a brain knows that. Atrocities will never be wholly preventable, and that's not even counting the horrible things that happen that are unintended. If the war in Iraq is justified, then maybe it makes sense to discuss what is done right and what is done wrong, and who is committing an atrocity and who not, but if the war is unjustified, then every person who dies there was murdered, whether they died of an accidental bullet wound, of torture, of malnutrition or whatever. In that case, niggling over fine details like how prisoners are treated or what the rules of engagement were is just missing the point.

Blah. Need food, maybe more coherent later.

Renata

 

[dgfred]

Other accounts of life in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2004/iraq_log/default.stm

Good stuff there andrew ! Very interesting .

 

[andrewgprv]

Its just a form of the ancient argument of "if you don't like it, why don't you leave instead of complaining?"

Or there's always the argument, you can try to change things rather then running away from them.

 

[emzie]

What's reported here is generic to a battle. Replace Fallujah with "Berlin" and you'll have the same story. Why is it so hard to believe? And yes, most doctors who are in, or who have ever been in, a war zone are inherently anti-war.

As to painting the States as racist, my best friend is in the US Army. In his letters from basic, he commented about how few whites there were in proportion to the US population. That the Army is made up in large part by minorities is no secret. Why does pointing it out discredit an individual?

 

[amadeus]

Russia's news industry sure hasn't changed much.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Russia's news industry sure hasn't changed much.

Nonsense.

After studying the effects of alcohol consumption, scientists came up with yet another theory.

People no longer deny that hard drinking has a devastating effect on our health.

And this is Pravda, no less.

 

[amadeus]

Never mind, andrew redeemed himself in another thread.

 

[Speedo]

You could say this about ANYTHING. For example, I have absolutely no proof that you are who you claim to be.

Of course, but-

The site the article comes from isn't a credible news source, and doesn't even bother to give an author (or other source) for the content. If you want anyone to believe that it's a real account (if somewhat "spiced up") of what's going on, you need to do a little more than just say, "really!! I'm telling the truth!"

 

[zulu9812]

I took the author to be Hakim Mirzoev, but perhaps that was someone else?

 

[Jawz II]

What's reported here is generic to a battle. Replace Fallujah with "Berlin" and you'll have the same story. Why is it so hard to believe? And yes, most doctors who are in, or who have ever been in, a war zone are inherently anti-war.

not only doctors, anyone whos ever seen that stuff tries to stop it from happening

but doctors are prolly more anti-war cause they have to actually see the mess war makes of people, close up

closer than anyone would wanna be