Fascist Patch for Civ3

[Des203]

By the way it was the not ONLY your website that inspired my "flaming" post as you call it. It was the combination of Kino's post, which thoroughly shredded your patch, and the website that got me thinking. To date I havent seen an effective response to Kinos post, but if you did I apologize, but I'm not going back and reading through 10 pages of posts to find it.

Well listen you didnt have to defend your political views on a message board, but you took 10 minutes out of your time and set the record straight. It appears I was wrong. And we both seem to have similar views on Hitler. 50 million people died in WW2 and most Americans today probably know more about "the real world" on MTV.

 

[Wolfshanze]

Don't "shred" a patch that you have not bothered to research yourself... you admited not to have even read my responses, and only read one man's opinion on my patch, which oddly enough, was more ideologically motivated from Kino than gameplay motivated.

Kino's own interpretation of the patch, due to his obvious extreme hatred of Fascism actually makes HIS VERSION UNBALANCED in gameplay, not mine. Whether or not it is "historically accurate" as far as can be made, is irrelevant when you consider gameplay. As already mentioned as recently as the last page, my patch IS BALANCED and I stated the reasons why immediately after you questioned it based on one man's opinion on version 1.0 of the patch (not v1.1, v1.2, v1.3 or v2.0).

Don't tell me the Fascist Patch is unbalanced because you read someone else's post on page 1, based on v1.0 and never bothered to read any of my responses or check subsequent versions.

Instead, you should send unresearched flames to Kino for making Fascism absolutely useless in gameplay and totally irrelevant... at least I have kept it BALANCED BETWEEN Communism and Democracy, which enhances gameplay which is what the whole point of mods are... making the game more fun, not turning the game into a political debate, which you and Kino have tried your best to do.

The weight of evidence is not on me to prove anything... quite the contrary, all you can do is say "see kino's post", and can't even bother to quote him or bring up any relevant subjects, or mention the fact that his posts date from v1.0 of the Fascist patch and his own politically motivated modifications only made the patch pointless. I have already countlessly expressed the reasons why this patch IS BALANCED for gameplay, where you have not offered one single sentance as to why it is not, and have refused to read any of my messages to the contrary. I have REPEATEDLY asked you to tell me why, and you have repeatedly ignored my requests, shrugged them off, or said "Kino said so" months ago. Please have some independant thought and come up with your own observations... I'll bet you haven't even looked at the Fascist Patch yourself to weigh its merits to gameplay, but instead read the rantings of someone else on v1.0 and never bothered to formulate your OWN opinion on the GAMEPLAY of the patch.

If you can come up with your own observations and actually VOICE them, I will be HAPPY to discuss them with you here.

 

[Black Belt Jone]

Hey Wolfy,

For what its worth, I find you mod to be very balanced. I plugged your numbers into my own mod, and I find that the AI uses Fascism the way it should. The slightly more aggressive CIVs tend to use it when at peace... but it sets them up to bully you, and they are not afraid to be aggressors. Very nice. The passive Civs stick with Democracy, and, of course, those with a tendicy to Communism stick with that. Nice work!

 

[Wolfshanze]

Thanks Black Belt... that's enough to make me happy, the kind comments on message boards and e-mails that I receive.

I put a lot of thought into game balance, and did my best for the computers to view Fascism equally with Democracy and Communism.

 

[Ater Draco]

this is an excellent patch and although it could use some slight tweaking i'm not going to complain... now one quick word before i go, atrocities play a very large role in history, the depths of depravity humans can fall to is completely invigorating, just pick a culture and look through its history (recent and ancient) and you're certain to be entertained. I mean let us think of few that were commited by the more 'self rightoues' types... first thing that comes to mind are all those lovely crusades and all the women and children impaled upon christian blades. the genocide of native americans. japan's 'rape of manchuria (probably mispelled that) during world war one. vietnam, heheh, to save a village from communism we burn it down. secret drug experiments on american civilians for who knows how many years (lets hear it for the cia) and last but not least, the american bombing of 3rd world countries we just don't like (keep in mind any of this information is free and can be found easily if you look for it), such as iran, yugoslavia, somalia, sudan, and of course my personal favorite, iraq during the persian gulf (chuckle) 'war'. united nations estimates around 100,000 iraqi civilians died during that little escipade. now don't get me wrong i'm not complaining i love the whole entropy deal and personaly i think a society greatness is measure by how low it can go. again this a great patch.

 

[Aggie]

No funny smilies etc here.
I read many comments in this thread and then paid a visit to this thread's homepage. I am shocked. Remove this ******it from CIV Fanatics! The opening of the website is just a lame excuse.

 

[Wolfshanze]

Aggie, why are you shocked? Is your skin that thin? Please tell me why the page upset you so? Please tell everyone why they should all abide by YOUR standards of what everyone else should and shouldn't see, read or view.

You sound to have a rather Fascist outlook yourself in telling everyone else that they can't even have a link to a website because YOU found it offensive to YOUR tastes (without even telling us why you were so offended... the website only speaks of the patch, and shows no violent images or uses any slurs... yet somehow, you tell everyone else in the world to abide by YOUR standards... what a Fascist outlook you have).

If you don't like the patch, fine, that's YOUR choice... but don't enforce YOUR standards on everyone else out there. If you don't like it, don't use it. Don't presume YOUR STANDARDS are what everyone else should abide by... damn, that's so fascist. Back off everyone else's freedom of choice.

 

[Anglophile]

I have to admit that I haven't read the whole thread (and if I wasn't on the road with win NT so I can't play Civ3, I wouldn't have read any of it) but since the last two pages and the first two pages are the same, simple interpolation says that I haven't missed anything on pages 3-8. I have a fascist styled government in my mod which I call Ultranationalism. It's great for war and rotten at everything else except science, at which it is mediocre - hard to ignore those nazi rocket scientists. I think I set the pacifying percent (and I know this isn't the correct term but I can't remember what that field is actually called) at 1 and maybe even 0 since there is no historic example of a conquered foreign population seeing the light under a fascist government(basically because they were being ruthlessly oppressed or exterminated because of their racial inferiority). I beleive that the mod is balanced and I will, never, ever under any circumstances use it myself. However, that type of a government is a historical fact and being abhorrent doesn't render it invalid. Besides which, any computer civ that takes it on becomes very fair game indeed.

Incidentally, I also changed Communism a bit because I feel it was unbalanced positively. Now I believe that there has never been a truely communist government and there never will be and the Civ3 version represents the never realized ideal. Fascism and Communism as ideals are not so bad (especially Communism) but have always been hijacked by opportunists or idealogues and used as a way to keep themselves in power while oppressing the people while telling them it was short term and for the greater glory of the father- or motherland. I will also never use Communism in Civ but again, that doesn't invalidate it as a historical fact. It would be interesting to know whether the fascists or communists killed more innocent Russians last Century. Back to the unbalanced; the 90's demonstrated just how good communism really was at pacifying foreign populations - Monday the Russian Army leaves, Tuesday the Eastern European Countries (name them all) throw out their communist leaders - so I greatly reduced the percent chance for pacification, but it's still better than Fascism.

Anyway, my view is that to ignore history is to risk repeating the ugly bits so my mod has Communists and Fascists, just not me playing them. For the record, I also only use Nukes for MAD and never bombard foreign cities into gravesites. I play the game the way I would like to live my life and I try to make my Civ a place that I would be proud and happy to live - but those are personal choices and certainly add to the challenge of winning.

Therefore I don't have problems with Fascist mods. I do think that it mignt have been a little less controversial if he had just had the .bic file available on this thread like everyone else and it does make one wonder why that might be.

 

[Wolfshanze]

The Fascist Patch is over 3-megs in size, ergo cannot be hosted here.

I have no problems with the patch being here, but seeing the patches size is larger than the forum limit of a mere 500k, that makes it impossible to host here.

Furtheremore, the website has been in existince in it's present state since 1997, so I hardly saw a need to change it.

Despite all the ridiculous inuendo stating otherwise, there are no conspiracies or alterior motives of either the website or the author.

All conspiracy nuts can go back to watching the X-Files and take a hike.

 

[Shastram]

Hey Guys,

Great discussion on Fascism... what a long thread!!!

All I can say is, those who were ranting about it (and I had to skip 3-4 pages in the middle) are just not gamers! Its a game, and as some of you mentionned, Fascism is part of the history, just like fundamentalism or communism (by the way, socialism is the same thing as communism? and what about Marxism? I like socalist ideas.. i think.. i should read those damn books again! )

My opinion, i hope my country never looks at Fascism as a government, I prefer democracy and so happy to be part of one... at least we can all flourish, in a capital and scientific sense..

Hitler definitely was disturbed, he did a lot of bad, but sometimes, i think history is very hypocritical and focuses on certain things or atrocities more than others. Or should i say people who view and review history! The genocide committed by Nazis is very much sickeing to a lot of folks out there (myself included), but there have been worst atrocities and there are atrocities still going on (especially all these terrorist activities). If you wanna take a humanitarian view, then take it on EVERYTHING, not just singling out one event out of a massive and huge list of them. (Do I make sense?)

Someone should make terrorist as a unit and a part of fundamenalist regime.

In the Editor, is there anyway that one can associate cultural advantage or disadvantage to a particular goverment regime?

oh and one thing i just HATE about Nazi goverment and that damn psychopath killer Hitler is that he took the SWASTIKA as his ARYAN supremacy symbol. What a choice! Swastika is an aryan symbol used commonly by people in India (especially) as a symbol of good-luck and prosperity. It was originaly drafted by an Aryan leader (this is one version of its origin) long time ago. He was attempting to illustrate the glorious Aryan expansion. Each arm of the swastika represnting Aryan expansion toward that direction on the earth. It became part of the Hindu culture and mythology as a symbol of prosperity (expansion leading to prosperity of course) and good luck. Common folks in Indian villages often draw it on their houses, their doors. What a shame that the name of Swastika, an important aryan symbol, part of history, was runined by Hitler psycho-killing spree and his hatred toward Judaism or his obsession with Racial Supremacy.

Historically speaking, Germans have always been geared toward Racial supremacy... i read this great book once: RETURN OF THE ARYANS. Loved it... a different history of Aryans represented by the author in a fictional way. Amazing story, rich and full of life and characters. Of course, the origin of Aryans opens the doors to a great big discussion. Shouldn't Aryans be part of one of the civilizations? They were scientifically advanced people, perhaps one of the first civilizations to rule the Earth along with the Harrapan civilization. They were peacefull-religious and scientific. But i guess a lot of people would get offended if Aryans were part of the game as a Civlization.


Shastram

 

[Aggie]

Shastram,

Let me clear be about this.

I'm not the 'politically correct' type that hates games like Wolfenstein, carmageddon etc... That's just harmless fun.

I also like the idea of a fascist government in Civ as it played a major role in 20th century history. That's why I visited the site in the first place (mind you, 5 stars to recommend it...)

But did you visit the fascism site? If you do, you are welcomed with a nice song from 60 years ago that makes me sick. And that's where I think it went too far (amongst other things on the site).

 

[s3d]

Originally posted by Shastram
Hey Guys,

They were scientifically advanced people, perhaps one of the first civilizations to rule the Earth along with the Harrapan civilization. They were peacefull-religious and scientific. But i guess a lot of people would get offended if Aryans were part of the game as a Civlization.


Shastram

What a bunch of B**t ! Aryans were war loving barbarian tribes, which partially destroyed (it is not completly clear though) partially incorporated ancient Mohendjadaro-Harappo Indian civilization and mediterranian Crito-Mikenian civilization (Here they were called Dorians (spelling ?)). Their only advantage was chariots.

 

[Wolfshanze]

Aggie, so why does the Horst Wessel Leid make you sick? Pablo's dog used to drool whenever a bell wrang, is this the same thing?

Do you get sick everytime you turn on the History Channel too? The images shown on the History Channel are very sickening.... oh, and they play the Horst Wessel Leid a lot on the channel... maybe you should boycott the History Channel while you're at it.

So exactly what is "too far" about the site? Yeah, there's Hitler, there's a song, and a few Swastikas... sorry your skin is so thin.

Instead of focusing what's on the site, how about focusing what's NOT on the site.

There are no images of death... there are no mentioning of "Fascism is good". There is no recruiting, or messages of hate. There is nothing but talk of a GAME.

Get a FREAKIN CLUE AGGIE.

Go take your "holier than thou" attitude somewhere else you intollerant fool.

IT'S A GAME.

GET A THICKER SKIN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

 

[Shastram]

Aryans were war loving barbarian tribes, which partially destroyed (it is not completly clear though) partially incorporated ancient Mohendjadaro-Harappo Indian civilization and mediterranian Crito-Mikenian civilization (Here they were called Dorians (spelling ?)).

And what exactly do you base your reply on? How historically correct are you (thats what I mean) or let me put it another way, what are your sources of putting the Aryan race as war loving barbarian tribes. I have actually read a lot of books on pre-Vedic and ancient Aryan tribes, if all, they seem to be a peaceful race, looking for a pure land. Several different Aryan invasion theories exist, some allocate their origins to Europe and most of these are Eurocentric views based on the fact that Europe is the craddle of civilization (now thats BS!) and others allocate their origins to Indian subcontinent, particulary the area near Harrappan valleys, the area surrounding the Indus River: Sindh. I invite you to read the following:

A thread on Aryan/Sanskrit Culture:
http://forumhub.com/expr/9359.10.37.10.html
or read this article on the word ARYA
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_arvind.html
You can even check this out on the MYTH OF ARYAN INVASION:
http://www.hindubooks.org/david_frawley/myth_aryan_invasion//

If you are interested in doing more web readings, here are a couple of other links:
http://www.geocities.com/dipalsarvesh/indexAryan.html
http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/aryan.html
http://www.uni-giessen.de/~gk1415/indus_history.htm

And the other story about Aryans (the invasion, mingling theory that you mentioned):
http://www.tourindia.com/history/aryans.htm

I think thats interesting readings on the Aryans... one can argue whether they were really a "BARBARIAN" or warrior tribes. Yes they had the chariot, but that does not make them barbarian, they were advanced, had a wonderful language, a religious system, they were intelligent and they did have a major effect on the civilizations that came to be in the future. Their effect is visible on Indian Culture, Iranian culture, some even say that during their migration (or the mythical invasion) they effected the areas from Europe to India, the whole thing called INDO-EUROPEAN area was affected by them, their culture, their stories and their religion. THe Gypsies will tell you, the spanish gypsies, the folk tales, folk songs all around europe, iran, india, pakistan.. about Aryans.

SO maybe you should revisit your history books, at least look at the two sides of the coin before saying that the coin is only one sided.

Shastram

 

[Shastram]

Aggie,

I visited the site, i didnt stay long on the site... just downloaded the mod file which does make a good addition to this really wonderful game. Yeah the site is displaying Hitler and the swastika as modeled by his nazi regime and i can assure you, that if i opened that page up in front of some of my friends, i would get hell from them! But when it all comes down to, the nazi holocaust had such a huge focus for only one reason: It was something that happened in Europe, a civilized country (apparently! But the cruelity and atrocities committed by EUropean Civs are so many!) and of course, Judaism is Involved. I am a very neutral person when it comes to religion, i have my opinions, my own prejudices... but no ill-will toward anybody, I live in a multi-cultural secular world and i'm very happy, but I know this, Jews make a lot of noise aobut any sufferings they endure, they get the worlds attention and they give their events bigger focus, a much bigger focus then any other events. Israel Palestine conflict for example: There is always a news article adorning the main page of North American Journals, how come we dont hear much about the rest of the world with that intense focus?
The focus, attention and the mark that Nazi holocause left on European and American populace....No other event gets that kind of focus, the atrocities in middle east, in Turkey, China, Communist Russia, Kashmir, and i can go on and on about atrocities in our history far worse than the Nazi holocaust, they never get that sort of attention. Why did the nazi holocause leave such a strange and lasting mark on our european and american populace? It had to do with Europe, with Judaism, with Racial supremacy.

Coming down to the website, sure the site shows somepictures of an evil man, glorified pictures, his music, his symbol (and i hate how he turned the worlds view on Swastika, the western world)... and i dont want to visit that site again, at least i got my mod file i can play my game with ANOTHER GOVERMENT NOW.. i'll modify the File to my own opinion of what Fascist goverment should be like.. then if you want, i'll post it here.. I think Fascist goverment, Fundamentalist goverments should have bigger penalty levels then they get.

Hey, one thing though, this is all my personal opinion and i hope you guys appreciate it. My disclaimer is: That I have no ill-will toward any civlization, religion or any body (except the damn terrorists) thats it.

Shastram

 

[Anglophile]

Shastram, you can't say in the same sentence that are neutral but have views and prejudices - that is a contradiction. However, I am certainly not going to say that you aren't allowed to have your own views and I wish I could say that I don't have any prejudices of my own, so I'm not going to criticize that either. The problem occurs when people - and I am not saying you - believe that their opinions, views and prejudices are facts. The main problem with fanatics (be they nazis, islamic fundamentalist terrorists (not just fundamentalists), etc) is that they know and believe and that allows them to do pretty much whatever they want because god - and it usually is god unfortunately - is on their side.

As for the Jews; well, if someone came along whose stated policy was to kill off everyone of my ethnicity, and then tried to do it to the tune of 6,000,000 dead, well I personally believe that I would feel resentment towards that person. I don't believe that any intelligent human being would be unable to understand that reaction. For the record, I am as WASP as you can get going back as many generations of my family tree as we know (at least 8 generations on each side). At least there appear to be Scots, Welsh and English in roughly equal proportions so not too inbred yet. Also for the record, I believe that many of Israel's policies are badly flawed and based on a paranoia arising from nazi Germany and other pogrom's through history, which may be understandable but in the long run is dangerous and harmful.

Finally, your point about an uneven reaction to atrocities around the world is valid; but the Civ audience is a Eurocentric audience and the majority perspective is the European perspective. The vast majority of the people who are members of this site had parents or grandparents who were involved in WWII. Therefore these atrocities are a lot more personal than others. Doesn't make them better or worse but I personally would argue that we are 'undervaluing' atrocities elsewhere, not 'overvaluing' the atrocities committed against the Jews, Poles, Russians, etc during WWII. It's worth remembering that Hitler considered the US and, to a lesser extent, Canada decadent because of our mixed blood but in general considered the British Empire a good thing because it kept all those inferior races in Asia, Africa and the Indian subcontinent in check. How many of us aren't affected by that categorization or are wholly comfortable with it?

Yes, European history is full of terrible deeds but so is every other history. One hopes that we are evolving faster than our ability to kill each other in a righteous cause but the evidence is at best mixed.

 

[Shastram]

Nice Anglophile, very nice post. I agree with almost everything you said in your post. Hmm, someone actually does speak sense here ;-)

Shastram, you can't say in the same sentence that are neutral but have views and prejudices - that is a contradiction

Just wanted to let you know that I never said my opinion is neutral, i said i have no ill-will toward anybody, but I do have my prejudices. What that simply means is that, just like every other human being, i have my own dislikes and my own ideas about certain things, whatever may that be, but in general, i have no ill-will toward anybody. I have friends and i mean really, from all kind of countries... But i still have certain prejudices, and i guess they are based on my own past experience and my own understanding.

As for the Jews; well, if someone came along whose stated policy was to kill off everyone of my ethnicity, and then tried to do it to the tune of 6,000,000 dead, well I personally believe that I would feel resentment towards that person. I don't believe that any intelligent human being would be unable to understand that reaction

You are absolutely right... I feel the same way. Someone has committed atrocities toard my people, my race and i have a big resentment against those people, or those countries. I guess thats part of my prejudice to not like people from that country (in general) but to my own surprise, I have friends from there also. I guess I'll never FULLY trust them, but I do consider them friends.
But you know what I dont like, is that they (Jews) want you to sympathize with their cause, but they dont sympathize with yours!! I mean what is it, do you have to be closed toward the rest of the world and show your sufferings again and again, its life!!! Evil people are born, they commit bad things and they die. Like I said, a lot of bad thigns have happened in the past, but no body really focuses on them. When did the holocaust take place? Almost 50 years ago? We still get news about this nazi officer went in the court of law today 90 years old, but the court charged him ... or that nazi officer .... Yes 6 Mil people died, other wars or genocides have also been committed in this world.... please, open your mind to the whole world, sympathize with everybody, show respect to everyone's suffering and not your own peoples.

Doesn't make them better or worse but I personally would argue that we are 'undervaluing' atrocities elsewhere, not 'overvaluing' the atrocities committed against the Jews, Poles, Russians, etc during WWII.

Correct, atrocities elsewhere are being undervalued, ignored to some extent ... and the world is being forced to look at these European atrocities and no one is looking at theirs. Like I was saying earlier to a friend of mine (or perhaps in one of these posts), why is it that we focus so much on what happens in Israel-Palestine conflict while the rest of world also has tons of similar conflicts? Is it because a lot of Jews control a lot of money.. is it because its a European thing?

Wel I can go on and on ... this topic wont stop. NOthing will change, it will remain the same. But as you said Anglophile, I hope so too that we are evolving faster, that we are accepting the diversity in this world, learning from other cultures and realizing that we all share the same genome. Hey, humans and Chimpanze share 99% of their DNA code!!! And also one thing I like a lot when i hear those astronauts say that there is no border when we look at the earth from the space... no border, just one big planet... i wish people could feel that way... sadly, where there is good, there is also bad....
I wish i was an astronaut!

Thanks for your nice post.

Shastram

 

[Wolfshanze]

Well said, Shastram!

 

[s3d]

Originally posted by Shastram


And what exactly do you base your reply on? How historically correct are you (thats what I mean) or let me put it another way, what are your sources of putting the Aryan race as war loving barbarian tribes. I have actually read a lot of books on pre-Vedic and ancient Aryan tribes, if all, they seem to be a peaceful race, looking for a pure land. Shastram

Barbarians:

Wandering tribes without writing commonly called barbarians.

War-loving:

Arjuna said:
Seeing these kinsmen, O Krishna, I am standing here eager for war, but my limbs droop down and my mouth is quite dried up; a tremor creeps over my body; and my hairs stand on end; the Gandiva bow slips from my hand; my skin burns intensely. I am unable, too, to stand up; my mind whirls round; O Krishna! I see bad omens, and I do not perceive any good that will come from killing my kinsmen in battle. I do not wish for victory, O Krishna, nor sovereignty, nor pleasures: what is sovereignty to us, O Govinda, what are enjoyments, and even life? Even those, for whose sake we desire sovereignty, enjoyments, and pleasures, are standing here for battle, abandoning life and wealth—teachers, fathers, sons as well as grandfathers, maternal uncles, fathers-in-law, grandsons,brothers-in-law, and other relatives. These I do not wish to kill, though they kill me, O destroyer of Madhu, even for the sake of sovereignty over the three worlds, how much less then for this earth?
<snip>

Krishna said:

How does it happen that this delusion, Arjuna, which is discarded by the good, which excludes from heaven, and occasions infamy, has overtaken you in this place of grave danger? Do not be weak, Arjuna, it is not worthy of you. Cast off this base weakness of heart, and arise, O terror of your foes!
<snip>

Having regard to your own duty also, you ought not to falter, for there is nothing better for a Kshatriya than a righteous battle. Happy those Kshatriyas, O son of Pritha, who can find such a battle to fight—an open door to heaven! But if you will not fight this righteous battle, then you will have abandoned your own duty and your fame, and you will incur sin.

All beings, too, will tell of your everlasting infamy; and to one who has been honored, infamy is a greater evil than death. Warriors who are masters of great chariots will think that you abstained from the battle through fear, and having been highly thought of by them, you will fall down to littleness. Your enemies, too, decrying your power, will speak much about you that should not be spoken. And what, indeed, is more lamentable than that?

Killed, you will obtain heaven; victorious, you will enjoy the earth.

Therefore arise, O son of Kunti, resolved to engage in battle. Looking alike on pleasure and pain, on gain and loss, on victory and defeat, then prepare for battle, and thus you will not incur sin.

This snip from Mahabharata descend direcly from Vedas.
And if it is not war-like, than I'm really at loss.

And there is no such a thing as "pre-Vedic" Aryas culture.

 

[hanti]

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DONE, Wolfshanze!
I respect all the time and effort you put into creating this mod.
I've met Fascicsm Patch from the early days of Civ2. I never even bother about all that "political stuff" about Fascism. If somebody doesn't like the patch, isn't it voluntarly downloadable? If you don't like - just don't use it. Those who try to accuse you about "propaganda of totalitarism" just completly don't understand the concept of the mod (and the site). There will be always people like them. You can try to explain things to them but can not convince them. Just let them alone.
AND FOR THE PURIST : Yes, you're right that NAZISM was something LITTLE different than FASCISM. Coca-Cola isn't exactly the same as Pepsi Cola, but both are colas, dudes!! It's completly inasane, yes insane to discuse wheter the patch should be called Nazism or Fascism. The AUTHOR have choosen the name - accept it. And there's no logical reason to have two so similar goverments in game like FASCISM and NAZISM together. One's enough. For the same reason I don't see reasonable to have MONARCHY and ABSOLUTIST MONARCHY in Civ!! But yes both Monarchies were LITTLE different.
Hope, somebody understood the concept.
Bye, civers.