[Feature] Additional Wonders

[Lokki242]

For Turkic wonders we could add the Kizil caves (though its Tocharian), or the Gur-e-Amir in Samarkand which is Tamerlane's mausoleum, perfect for that Timurid UP!

Edit: or the Lyab-I-Hauz which provided water to Bukhara and could provide desert cities a growth bonus

 

[merijn_v1]

Some new art for the wonders. The right images are the new art.
- Added railroad and black tunnel to Channel Tunnel. Also move the left entry so the post isn't in the middle of the railroad.
- RI art for Wat Preah Pisnoluk
- Reskinned Angkor Wat for Prambanan
- New art for Great Cothon
- New art for Khajuraho (It is actually the Akshardham temple. But it resembles the Khajuraho pretty well IMO)
- Made the Dujianyan wall of stone
- New art for the Harmandir Sahib. (The peaks are not accurate, but I can't remove them. Overal I think the building is quite accurate)

All are ready for PR.

Spoiler :

 

[Steb]

Here's some ideas for late Industrial / early Global wonders. I haven't looked for art and I realize that's probably going to be a big limitation, but in the spirit of brainstorming I do not presently care.

• Some early example of modernist architecture: the Villa Savoye by Le Corbusier, or Fallingwater by Frank Lloyd Wright, or the Bauhaus Building by Walter Gropius. Effect: Great Engineers can perform Great Works for culture and provide culture when settled. Tech: Assembly Line.
• An example of the big prestigious department stores or malls of the late 19th c.: the Galleria Vittorio Emanuele in Milan (I like this because Italy has no post-Renaissance wonders), the Galeries Lafayette in Paris, etc. Effect: Something to do with merchants or Great Merchants. Tech: Consumerism.
• The Château Frontenac in Quebec City. Effect: faster railroad construction, free railway station in all cities connected by rail. (Represents the Grand Railway Hotels built across Canada in the late 19th c.) Tech: Railroad or Refining.
• Perhaps a building representing the architecture trends of the early 20th (Art Nouveau, Art Deco)? The Palacio de Bellas Artes in Mexico City would cover Mexico and is both Art Nouveau and Art Deco, although I'm not sure it's special enough. The Secession Building in Vienna is another idea. On the other hand we already have the Sagrada Familia and the Empire State Building to represent these trends.
• The London Metropolitan Railway (first rapid transit system in the world) or some other rapid transit system from around 1900 (e.g. Budapest, Paris). Effect: something that becomes powerful as a city grows, e.g. +1 trade route per 5 citizens? Tech: Railroad (if the London Metropolitan Railway) or Pneumatics/Assembly Line/Infrastructure (if one of the later systems).

Unrelated: could we rename the Mausoleum of Mausolos to either Tomb of Mausolos or The Mausoleum? Since currently it means "Tomb of Mausolos of Mausolos".

 

[Leoreth]

For Turkic wonders we could add the Kizil caves (though its Tocharian), or the Gur-e-Amir in Samarkand which is Tamerlane's mausoleum, perfect for that Timurid UP!

Edit: or the Lyab-I-Hauz which provided water to Bukhara and could provide desert cities a growth bonus

These are great, thanks for the suggestions.

Some new art for the wonders. The right images are the new art.
- Added railroad and black tunnel to Channel Tunnel. Also move the left entry so the post isn't in the middle of the railroad.
- RI art for Wat Preah Pisnoluk
- Reskinned Angkor Wat for Prambanan
- New art for Great Cothon
- New art for Khajuraho (It is actually the Akshardham temple. But it resembles the Khajuraho pretty well IMO)
- Made the Dujianyan wall of stone
- New art for the Harmandir Sahib. (The peaks are not accurate, but I can't remove them. Overal I think the building is quite accurate)

All are ready for PR.

Spoiler :

Looking good. Early feedback:
- does the Great Cothon look alright on the map? It seems that the model needs to be aligned better so it doesn't half disappear in the coast.
- didn't you also propose the Akshardam art for Nalanda? I think I prefer it for that. I know that RFCA (I think?) also has unique art for the Prambanan wonder which might be used here. Or even the current Prambanan art with a more grayish palette and the water basins removed (if you can)
- I think the new Harmandir Sahib model looks good, could be a bit larger though

Create the PR if you want!

Here's some ideas for late Industrial / early Global wonders. I haven't looked for art and I realize that's probably going to be a big limitation, but in the spirit of brainstorming I do not presently care.

• Some early example of modernist architecture: the Villa Savoye by Le Corbusier, or Fallingwater by Frank Lloyd Wright, or the Bauhaus Building by Walter Gropius. Effect: Great Engineers can perform Great Works for culture and provide culture when settled. Tech: Assembly Line.
• An example of the big prestigious department stores or malls of the late 19th c.: the Galleria Vittorio Emanuele in Milan (I like this because Italy has no post-Renaissance wonders), the Galeries Lafayette in Paris, etc. Effect: Something to do with merchants or Great Merchants. Tech: Consumerism.
• The Château Frontenac in Quebec City. Effect: faster railroad construction, free railway station in all cities connected by rail. (Represents the Grand Railway Hotels built across Canada in the late 19th c.) Tech: Railroad or Refining.
• Perhaps a building representing the architecture trends of the early 20th (Art Nouveau, Art Deco)? The Palacio de Bellas Artes in Mexico City would cover Mexico and is both Art Nouveau and Art Deco, although I'm not sure it's special enough. The Secession Building in Vienna is another idea. On the other hand we already have the Sagrada Familia and the Empire State Building to represent these trends.
• The London Metropolitan Railway (first rapid transit system in the world) or some other rapid transit system from around 1900 (e.g. Budapest, Paris). Effect: something that becomes powerful as a city grows, e.g. +1 trade route per 5 citizens? Tech: Railroad (if the London Metropolitan Railway) or Pneumatics/Assembly Line/Infrastructure (if one of the later systems).

Nice ideas. Giving GEs the GA abilities is probably not good enough because they are generally less valuable, but we can come up with something. I think in general it's a good idea to look at techs that don't have a wonder yet and try to find something for it.

Unrelated: could we rename the Mausoleum of Mausolos to either Tomb of Mausolos or The Mausoleum? Since currently it means "Tomb of Mausolos of Mausolos".

I think the issue is that just The Mausoleum clashes with the Mughal UB, and we can't have Halikarnassos in the name because it's a reference to a specific city. But I agree it sounds silly. Maybe it's the UB that needs a new name.

Some further ideas that I want to throw out:
- Greenwich Observatory (Physics)
- Oxford University (Scientific Method): just need a model here
- Menlo Park (Electricity)
- something related to Japanese automation with the Robotics tech? Don't know enough to come up with a specific wonder but I feel like it should be there
- Lotus Temple (I think I've seen art for this)
- Holstentor (representing the Hansa)

 

[Steb]

I think the issue is that just The Mausoleum clashes with the Mughal UB, and we can't have Halikarnassos in the name because it's a reference to a specific city. But I agree it sounds silly. Maybe it's the UB that needs a new name.

Then I'd do Tomb of Mausolos

Nice ideas. Giving GEs the GA abilities is probably not good enough because they are generally less valuable, but we can come up with something. I think in general it's a good idea to look at techs that don't have a wonder yet and try to find something for it.

In the late game, GEs become less valuable (in part because they're quite common). This would obviously be useful mostly for cultural victories. But a better way to use the idea would be to add the culture bomb to the rush construction effect (so basically whatever the GE builds is automatically an architectural masterpiece)

- something related to Japanese automation with the Robotics tech? Don't know enough to come up with a specific wonder but I feel like it should be there

You should ask Rhye!

 

[Darnokthemage]

Falu Copper mine might be a nice wonder for scandinavia as it is the biggest and oldest copper mine in Sweden, requires copper and gives 3 and 1 to every plot with copper.

 

[ozqar]

Wow! Awesome that you managed to add so much content!
Some quick thoughts:
Latin America looks super empty and East Asia has for long been quite low on wonders. Some proposals:
- For Mexico, some ideas can be the National Autonomous University (which is a world heritage site), the National Anthropology Museum (2nd largest in the world), or the Basilica de Guadalupe (in the top 3 for christian pilgrimage sites by number, possibly the number one, but I can't find the numbers). The Museum would be super cool if it gets the effect of reactivating obsolete wonders throughout the civ (ie, the floating gardens and the temple of kukulcan), plus granting gold and or culture.
- For Colombia, the santuario de las lajas was proposed earlier, but I see it didn't make it. Thoughts on reconsidering it?
- Have you considered the Genghis Khan Statue for modern Mongolia and the Temple of Heaven for Beijing? A modern Chinese wonder would be good too, perhaps Tiananmen Sq?
- From the other potential wonders you list, Petra sounds like the most important one missing; the seed vault like the most "different" one. Proposed effect for the seed vault: can add farm resources (maize, rice, etc) to tiles without them (with some limitation or cost).
- Regarding the naming, "image of the world square" doesn't sound too good. Even if they're lesser known wonders, it's easy to google them (I did with many in the list). I think a good general policy would be, when possible, to name all wonders in their original or local languages.

 

[Publicola]

@Leoreth, for African wonders, I was wondering if you planned to include Great Zimbabwe? It might qualify as a city/capital name (if we add a Bantu civ), but barring that it certainly seems significant enough to get attention. Not sure what effect it should have, though I'm not a big fan of Civ VI's treatment of it as a market/trade hub. (Though giving extra yields from bonus resources seems like an interesting effect).

Oh, another suggestion: the Walls of Benin (or, in the local language, Benin Iye). They were the longest man-made structure in the world -- four times longer than the Great Wall, and more massive than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They were destroyed by the British in 1897, but construction began in 800 AD, and the walls were completed by 1500 AD. While their role was partly defensive, the interlocking walls also helped unify a number of independent towns into the capital city for the Kingdom of Benin, and helped sustain a sizable population. It's possible that the structure helped keep the city clean and orderly (a la 'broken windows' policing), borne out by the early European accounts of the kingdom's very low crime rate). So: defensive bonus for the walls, or growth bonus for the population, or happiness/espionage bonus for the crime rate (similar to Jails building).

 

[Steb]

Another idea for the early 20th c.: the Palace of Nations in Geneva. Tech: Civil Rights. Obsoletes naturally when Congresses stop because of the UN, and/or at Globalism. Art available.

Possible effects (can be all of them, or a subset): Immediately triggers a world congress. Owner is ensured to have a successful claim in this immediate congress. Other civs more likely to vote for owner in all congresses. Other civs more likely to accept bribes from owner. Increased frequency of congresses.

By the way, here's the art for the Lotus Temple. I think the Baha'i gardens would be a better choice but the Lotus Temple would be nice too.

 

[merijn_v1]

A Swedish period "Viking" wonder would be great though, because it would also add another Protestant wonder. Preferably military oriented.

Kalmar Castle perhaps? RFCE has art for it.

Looking good. Early feedback:
- does the Great Cothon look alright on the map? It seems that the model needs to be aligned better so it doesn't half disappear in the coast.
- didn't you also propose the Akshardam art for Nalanda? I think I prefer it for that. I know that RFCA (I think?) also has unique art for the Prambanan wonder which might be used here. Or even the current Prambanan art with a more grayish palette and the water basins removed (if you can)
- I think the new Harmandir Sahib model looks good, could be a bit larger though

Create the PR if you want!

- The screenshot shows how it looks in the game. I can try to allign it better. (Turning it 90 degrees should do the job I think) Maybe placing it of the coast like a Lighthouse is an option.
(I remember it looking better)
- The Akshardam art is used in RFCA for the Nalanda University. I think it suits both Nalanda and Khajuraho. I chose Khajuraho because Nalanda already had unique art. (Although that art is the Meenakshi Temple)
- Prambanan does have unique art in RFCA. (See screenshot) But this is a single building, whereas the Prambanan is a temple complex. I thought the reskinned Angkor Wat does resemble that better. I can try to make a complex using multiple of the RFCA models.
- I didn't touch the sizes of any of the wonders yet. I wanted to review the sizes of all new wonders anyway (both ingame and pedia). It would be convenient if I do all at the same time.

Some further ideas that I want to throw out:
- Greenwich Observatory (Physics)
- Oxford University (Scientific Method): just need a model here
- Menlo Park (Electricity)
- something related to Japanese automation with the Robotics tech? Don't know enough to come up with a specific wonder but I feel like it should be there
- Lotus Temple (I think I've seen art for this)
- Holstentor (representing the Hansa)

- Isn't the National College art (National Wonder) the model of the Oxford University?
- You mean the Menlo Park Mall? (When I wikipedia "Menlo Park", I get several suggestions)
- I think ASIMO would be a cool idea for the Japanese automation wonder. (Lol, Japanese Robotics has even an own wikipedia. I think ASIMO is the most recognizable one)

- Have you considered the Genghis Khan Statue for modern Mongolia and the Temple of Heaven for Beijing? A modern Chinese wonder would be good too, perhaps Tiananmen Sq?

The Temple of Heaven is the Toaist Shrine.

@Leoreth, for African wonders, I was wondering if you planned to include Great Zimbabwe? It might qualify as a city/capital name (if we add a Bantu civ), but barring that it certainly seems significant enough to get attention. Not sure what effect it should have, though I'm not a big fan of Civ VI's treatment of it as a market/trade hub. (Though giving extra yields from bonus resources seems like an interesting effect).

In my Zimbabwe modcomp, I gave the Great Zimbabwe wonder the bonus of increasing the base yield of cities. (I chose that because I couldn't think of anything better and copied the Zimbabwean UP. But I think it is an interesting bonus)

I prefer the name Bete Giyorgis instead of the Monolithic Church. I didn't know what the Monolithic Church wonder was until I saw the art. Then I thought: "Oh, that is the Bete Giyorgis". I think many Civ players are more familiar with the Bete Giyorgis because that name is used in multiple other mods for that wonder.

Maybe the Seed Vault could double the affected cities for grain resources. (limited resources effect feature)
With the limited resources effect feature, just providing a copy of every grain resources can already be useful.

Not a huge deal, but the the Image of the World and Islamic Shrine have the same art.

 

[trevor]

- You mean the Menlo Park Mall? (When I wikipedia "Menlo Park", I get several suggestions)

I think it's more Thomas Edison's research lab at Menlo Park, NJ.

 

[Leoreth]

Kalmar Castle perhaps? RFCE has art for it.

I've seen that but I don't know what is special about Kalmar Castle to justify any effect.

- The screenshot shows how it looks in the game. I can try to allign it better. (Turning it 90 degrees should do the job I think) Maybe placing it of the coast like a Lighthouse is an option.
(I remember it looking better)

I think it's better when its aligned with the coast length wise as it is now, it just seems the distance needs to be adjusted a bit.

- The Akshardam art is used in RFCA for the Nalanda University. I think it suits both Nalanda and Khajuraho. I chose Khajuraho because Nalanda already had unique art. (Although that art is the Meenakshi Temple)
- Prambanan does have unique art in RFCA. (See screenshot) But this is a single building, whereas the Prambanan is a temple complex. I thought the reskinned Angkor Wat does resemble that better. I can try to make a complex using multiple of the RFCA models.

Yeah that's fine, I just wanted to not there is another Indian architecture model that could be useful somewhere here.

- Isn't the National College art (National Wonder) the model of the Oxford University?

Yes, I don't mind rotating the art if new National College art can be found.

- You mean the Menlo Park Mall? (When I wikipedia "Menlo Park", I get several suggestions)

As trevor said, it's Edison's lab in Menlo Park, New Jersey.

- I think ASIMO would be a cool idea for the Japanese automation wonder. (Lol, Japanese Robotics has even an own wikipedia. I think ASIMO is the most recognizable one)

Oh, I was thinking more about robotics in manufacturing, i.e. robo arms etc.

Not a huge deal, but the the Image of the World and Islamic Shrine have the same art.

Oh, isn't there Kaaba art somewhere? Seems more fitting for the shrine. But I'm also not very attached to the current art.

 

[TJDowling]

I wonder if there is a way to represent an International Space Station wonder, with contributions from different countries which would encourage cooperation and tech-sharing. Sorry, a bit off topic but slightly related.

 

[merijn_v1]

I think it's better when its aligned with the coast length wise as it is now, it just seems the distance needs to be adjusted a bit.

I'll give it a shot.

Yes, I don't mind rotating the art if new National College art can be found.

Realism Invictus has a building that is a good generic National College. (What they use for the Hungarian Academy of Sciencies)
The NY Public Library could also be used. Or the National Art Gallery.

Oh, isn't there Kaaba art somewhere? Seems more fitting for the shrine. But I'm also not very attached to the current art.

RI has art for the Kaaba. I'll include it in the PR.

Good idea, I'm in favour of Industrial wonders of any kind. Do you know if there's appropriate art for it?

I just saw that RI has art for this as well.

 

[Leoreth]

I knew it was familiar to me for some reason. Just so you know, I'm not home the next couple of days so it may take a while until I can review the pull request.

 

[Leoreth]

Regarding Mount Athos, how about extra science for every controlled wonder, including obsolete ones? Byzantium has a lot of them usually.

 

[Orbii]

Regarding Mount Athos, how about extra science for every controlled wonder, including obsolete ones? Byzantium has a lot of them usually.

While it's an interesting effect, doesn't it kind of contradict how Byzantium is structured in the game? They have an absolutely brutal 140-145 Science modifier, and none of their UHVs are Science based. Seems a bit like the old University of Sankore effect in that it doesn't fit at all with what the Civ does (the Temple of Kukulkan also falls into this, as discussed elsewhere in the past).

Culture would probably be best, to model Byzantine and Orthodox cultural influence in the Balkans, but this is already attached to the Louvre. Maybe the wonder could add some bonus to successful religious conversions with missionaries to reflect the state sponsored spread of Orthodoxy to Bulgaria, Kievan Rus, and Serbia. Some other effect might also need to be added together with this, because it seems a bit weak other wise.

 

[Leoreth]

I also thought about an effect that triggers whenever Orthodoxy is spread somewhere but that doesn't answer the question what you should get from it.

Maybe regardless it should be GPP? Great Artists and Merchants would help with the Byzantine UHV.

 

[Steb]

Is Mount Athos that special? I mean, today it gets fame for being a quasi-state and for prohibiting the entry of women, but I don't know of anything that warrants this cluster of monasteries the status of a wonder. Low priority of inclusion in my opinion.

 

[Orbii]

I would agree it's not particularly up there with the Pyramids or The Great Wall, but Orthodoxy has a disappointing number of wonders relative to the other Abrahamic religions, so anything would help IMO. A lot of the times it can feel actively handicapping to play as Orthodox compared to Catholic or Islam.

GPP points would be a pretty good idea though for a religious spread bonus to the wonder.