[Feature] Additional Wonders

[Finbros]

Yeah, I would love this ability but it doesn't seem it's the right wonder for that.

There are a number of programms and projects for mass forest planting: USA "Great Plains Shelterbelt", USSR "Great Plan for the Transformation of Nature" and "Virgin Lands Campaign", PRC "Three-North Shelter Forest Program", Qatar "Sahara forest project" and else.
Something representing them?

(sort of a strange variant: Qaraqum channel, additionally filling a niche of Turkic wonder. Not so great, though, and highly controversal.)

Is Mount Athos that special? I mean, today it gets fame for being a quasi-state and for prohibiting the entry of women, but I don't know of anything that warrants this cluster of monasteries the status of a wonder. Low priority of inclusion in my opinion.

Major holy site for Orthodox believers, probably comparable to the Jerusalem itself.

 

[star15389]

A major problem with Tsukiji Fish Market is that AI Japan needs it to be even slightly relevant to anything but a) it comes quite late and b) they will build it ~0% of the time

 

[Steb]

Notes from looking at the branch in-game:

• I first tried loading a 1700 start with Russia and got a crash that seemed related to a missing enum value for the Leaning Tower. I didn't try the 1700 scenario again.
• Scholarship has too many wonders perhaps? Maybe La Mezquita could be replaced by the Alhambra and moved to Politics
• There are no religious wonders at all in the late game. One that could be interesting to add is the Crystal Cathedral near Los Angeles. It would also mean adding a third Protestant wonder. I'd make it available at Tourism and give it an effect related to priests/prophets to make them relevant in the late game (representing the large influence of religion in contemporary US). Without art it might not be as interesting though.
• The last columns of the Digital era could use some more wonders! That's one more point in favor of the Global Seed Vault (which could give a bonus—science or commerce or whatever—based on the number of different plant-based resources available to the owner).
• I'll just repeat my support for a wonder that provides a video game resource, given that Computers has no wonder right now.

Here are some wonders (old and new) that I think should generate different Great People points than what they currently do:

• Apadana Palace should generate Great Statesman points instead of Great Enginneer
• La Mezquita (if it stays) should probably generate Great Prophets since it's a mosque, not Great Scientists
• Any reason why Saint Sophia produces Great Statesmen rather than Great Prophets?
• Conversely, Machu Picchu should maybe generate Great Statesmen instead of Great Prophets

 

[merijn_v1]

El Escorial uses the art of Palacio da Pena. Which of them is the wonder intended to be?
Similarly, La Mezquita uses the Alhambra art.

I think the Channel Tunnel should require a coast.

The St. Basil Cathedral and St. Sophia Cathedral both provide the same bonus. (espionage to state religion buildings)
EDIT: Never mind. This is the current ingame situation. I forgot that the St. Basil has a new proposed effect. (But not coded yet. And no (not implemented) text in the pedia yet)

EDIT:
Golden Gate Bridge should require coast.
I would swap the art of the LHC and ITER.

 

[Genghis Khaiser]

For the Leaning Tower of Pisa, I'd put as an effect to have that city's Great People bar finished.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

What of the Great Anti-Fascist Protection Wall? Will it be included?

 

[migck]

What of the Great Anti-Fascist Protection Wall? Will it be included?

Population cannot Migrate to the New World? +50% to enemy costs? Does not work when running Democracy?

A proposal becomes even more valuable if it includes a suggested effect, art and tech requirement.

Well that was 1/3... or maybe 1/3/3.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Population cannot Migrate to the New World? +50% to enemy costs? Does not work when running Democracy?

The first one, plus cities and tiles can no longer flip away from you.

Well that was 1/3... or maybe 1/3/3.

I still do not know the new tech tree well enough, but it should require the Totalitarianism civic.

 

[merijn_v1]

I think that the Notre Dame is a little too strong. I think lowering the required temples by 1 would be better balanced.

Thinking of this, we might consider increasing the required amount of temples for the cathedral with the larger map. I think 4 (or 3 with the Notre Dame) is still an appropriate number, but it is worth considering.

 

[Orbii]

Bug report: lots of Space Elevators being built in Independent India.

Edit: Space Elevator randomly appeared in Hesperides and in Rome. Think this is a mistaken ID or something - the Plague spreads the Space Elevator.

 

[Leoreth]

Yes, I have not updated the DLL constants yet. The branch isn't really intended for play but only to review wonder effects and art in civilopedia or world builder.

 

[need my speed]

the Plague spreads the Space Elevator.

Truly the Black Death heralded the Renaissance.

 

[soul-breathing]

I suggest some Chinese wonders that not mentioned

The Mogao Caves of Dunhuang, located in Dunhuang. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogao_Caves
+8 +2(Artist)
Unlocked by Artisanry, 500
Needs Buddhism and Confucianism (or Taoism) in city to build, state religion is one of Buddism, Confucianism and Taoism, 50% faster when have stone
+100% in this city when enter a new age. Artist +1 in this city.

The Shaolin Monastery, located in Dengfeng, Henan Province. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_Monastery
+6 +2(priest), 500
Unlocked by Architecture and Medicine (uncertain)
Needs Buddhism and Confucianism (or Taoism) in city to build, state religion is one of Buddism, Confucianism and Taoism, 50% faster when the city have Buddhism Monastery.
Free Medic I Promotion for all melee units built in this city, +1 for all Buddhism buildings in this civ.

To be continued.

By the way, could the Salsal Buddha rename to Bamiyan Buddha?

 

[Osakasayama]

Some random thoughts on Japanese post-industrial wonders:

The only way I can think of representing Japanese Robotics is by making Toyota or Honda itself a wonder... Honestly I think "Japanese Robotics" is overrated largely due to weabooism.

I'd argue that Tsukiji Fish Market should instead provide Food from Fish Bonuses rather than local water tiles. Another alternative could be to provide food from uncontrolled Fish Bonuses on the map.
My reasoning is that Tsukiji rose to prominence with the post-war rise of long-distance fishing in the Pacific—which declined in the 70's because of tougher EEZ / marine resource control.

Lastly, I want to recommend either the Tokyo Tower or the Bullet Train System / Shinkansen as a wonder because they're like the generational symbol of the post-war economic growth (c.f. the post-war section of history textbooks always include pictures of the Tokyo Tower, the bullet trains, the 64' Olympics, and sometimes the '70 Osaka Expo).
I haven't thought much about its effects (nor if there's any art avail), but maybe something like extra bonuses for Engineers or something for the Tokyo Tower, and something to do with Trade Routes or Route movement speed for the Bullet trains.

 

[Leoreth]

By the way, could the Salsal Buddha rename to Bamiyan Buddha?

No, because Bamiyan is a city on the map.

Lastly, I want to recommend either the Tokyo Tower or the Bullet Train System / Shinkansen as a wonder because they're like the generational symbol of the post-war economic growth (c.f. the post-war section of history textbooks always include pictures of the Tokyo Tower, the bullet trains, the 64' Olympics, and sometimes the '70 Osaka Expo).
I haven't thought much about its effects (nor if there's any art avail), but maybe something like extra bonuses for Engineers or something for the Tokyo Tower, and something to do with Trade Routes or Route movement speed for the Bullet trains.

I don't think there is art for either but the latter could also be a project.

 

[LikeNothing]

+1 food from Statesman is better as the effect of Forbidden Palace, instead of Porcelain Tower.

Alternative:
Porcelain Tower: Non-state religions count as state religions for happiness (including from buildings) and stability.

I'd argue that Tsukiji Fish Market should instead provide Food from Fish Bonuses rather than local water tiles. Another alternative could be to provide food from uncontrolled Fish Bonuses on the map.
My reasoning is that Tsukiji rose to prominence with the post-war rise of long-distance fishing in the Pacific—which declined in the 70's because of tougher EEZ / marine resource control.

Tsukiji Fish Market: Fishing Industry always present in this city and has triple yield.

Lastly, I want to recommend either the Tokyo Tower or the Bullet Train System / Shinkansen as a wonder because they're like the generational symbol of the post-war economic growth (c.f. the post-war section of history textbooks always include pictures of the Tokyo Tower, the bullet trains, the 64' Olympics, and sometimes the '70 Osaka Expo).

Bullet Train System (Wonder): +1 production and commerce for every tile and specialist in this city.

Bullet Train System (Project): Free Public Transport and +10% commerce in your cities (on this continent).

The Mogao Caves of Dunhuang, located in Dunhuang.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogao_Caves

Silk Road always present in this city and yields culture and production in addition to gold and food.

The Shaolin Monastery, located in Dengfeng, Henan Province.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaolin_Monastery
Free Medic I Promotion for all melee units built in this city, +1 for all Buddhism buildings in this civ.

Medic I could be to melee and archery units (China, India both have archery UUs), and +1 food could be changed to +1 health given how early this wonder is.

Also suggest:
Gardens on the Lake (Urban Planning, Taoism, Coast)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Lake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Gardens_of_Suzhou
Double happiness and health from buildings in this city, free park in all cities.

Autumn Leaf Electric District (Globalism, Rice, Coast)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara
+50% culture, provides Hit Manga resources.

 

[Leoreth]

Just realised I did not answer a couple of posts where I had something to say:

@Leoreth, for African wonders, I was wondering if you planned to include Great Zimbabwe? It might qualify as a city/capital name (if we add a Bantu civ), but barring that it certainly seems significant enough to get attention. Not sure what effect it should have, though I'm not a big fan of Civ VI's treatment of it as a market/trade hub. (Though giving extra yields from bonus resources seems like an interesting effect).

Oh, another suggestion: the Walls of Benin (or, in the local language, Benin Iye). They were the longest man-made structure in the world -- four times longer than the Great Wall, and more massive than the Great Pyramid of Cheops. They were destroyed by the British in 1897, but construction began in 800 AD, and the walls were completed by 1500 AD. While their role was partly defensive, the interlocking walls also helped unify a number of independent towns into the capital city for the Kingdom of Benin, and helped sustain a sizable population. It's possible that the structure helped keep the city clean and orderly (a la 'broken windows' policing), borne out by the early European accounts of the kingdom's very low crime rate). So: defensive bonus for the walls, or growth bonus for the population, or happiness/espionage bonus for the crime rate (similar to Jails building).

I love more African wonders, but as a general policy I'd like to hold off on wonders that no civ could conceivably build in a way that would be believable (which is why e.g. Stonehenge still isn't back). If civilisations are added in these areas at some point the wonders could come with them.

I would swap the art of the LHC and ITER.

Really? The current LHC art suggests an underground component, i.e. the actual particle accelerator. On the other hand the current ITER art looks surprisingly close to the current state of the real thing, with the ring like structure suggesting the Tokamak reactor.

 

[Videosyncratic]

I know that it does not currently have a civilisation associated with it like all other sub-Saharan African wonders but I would like to see a wonder from the East African coast for a hypothetical future Swahili civilisation. I think Husuni Kubwa (the Great Fort of Kilwa), Mji Mkongwe (the Stone Town of Zanzibar), and the Beit al-Ajaib (the "House of Wonders" in Zanzibar) are all good choices. Of the three, I think Stone Town shows the most promise and I would provisionally give it the following properties:

Stone Town
Requirements: Companies, Islam, Coastal Access, Ivory
Effect: +50% production towards lighthouses, wharfs, and markets in all cities

I have it unlock at Companies instead of Finance as the latter is already associated with a wonder and I also like how it would also reveal Coffee, a resource of East Africa. However, I am aware that Companies may be a bit off the beaten track. Additionally, I can't tell how strong the effect is; it could potentially be buffed by adding extra trade route slots to the city it is built in. The idea behind it is representing coral stone architecture and also to help build up naval infrastructure rapidly. I gave it a dependency on Ivory to make it more likely that it would be built in Africa, although I am aware that the Mughals are also quite likely to build it later. Finally, in terms of art History Rewritten uses a Palace of Ctesiphon model to represent it which works fairly well but could be improved....

 

[merijn_v1]

Really? The current LHC art suggests an underground component, i.e. the actual particle accelerator. On the other hand the current ITER art looks surprisingly close to the current state of the real thing, with the ring like structure suggesting the Tokamak reactor.

My reasoning is that the base model of the current ITER art IS the LHC. A ring with some blocks around it, which are the huge magnets used to speed up the particles. The only thing is that it isn't underground.

But I do understand you reasoning as well.

 

[merijn_v1]

I just finished my first export of a 3D blender model to a nif file.

I want to try to build some custom wonder art soon. I'm still a novice at this, so don't expect the best models you've ever seen.