Female Leaders - Past and Present - Elimination

[IgorS]

UPD: The game is over! And we have our winner!



Decided to try my own elimination thread game.
And the theme is female leaders. I have decided to have both the female leaders we currently have in Civ VI, and all the previous female leaders we had in previous games to see which is the most popular and most deserving to be in Civ VI (either someone who is already in the game, or someone who is not, and you feel must be included).

The rules are obvious:
1) Every 24 hours, you add 1 point to one Leader you like more and subtract 3 points from a Leader that you like less.
2) Each Leader starts with 20 points. First Leader eliminated takes last place, and so forth, until we have our winner.
3) Write a brief explanation to your decision.
4) Try to avoid commenting in the thread when not voting.

The leaders I did not include are the leaders from Civ II that were not leaders, and sometimes did not exist at all. All the other female leaders are included. Enjoy!

Börte - Mongols, Civ II
Boudicca - Celts, Civ II, Civ IV, Civ V
Catherine the Great - Russians, Civ II, Civ III, Civ IV, Civ V
Catherine de' Medici - French, Civ VI
Cleopatra - Egyptians, Civ II, Civ III, Civ VI
Dido - Carthaginians, Civ II, Civ V
Elizabeth I - English, Civ I, Civ II, Civ III, Civ IV, Civ V
Gorgo - Greeks, Civ VI
Hatshepsut - Egyptians, Civ IV
Indira Gandhi - Indians, Civ II
Isabella - Spanish, Civ II, Civ III, Civ IV, Civ V
Jadwiga - Poles, Civ VI
Jeanne d'Arc - French, Civ II, Civ III
Maria I - Portuguese, Civ V
Maria Theresa - Germans, Civ II, Austrians, Civ V
Theodora - Byzantines, Civ III, Civ V
Tomyris - Scythians, Civ VI
Victoria - English, Civ IV, Civ VI
Wu Zetian - Chinese, Civ II, Civ V

Rankings:
1. Hatshepsut
2. Wu Zetian (eliminated by God of Kings)
3. Catherine the Great (eliminated by God of Kings)
4. Maria Theresa (eliminated by Kimiimaro)
5. Elizabeth I (eliminated by conorbebe)
6. Theodora (eliminated by God of Kings)
7. Victoria (eliminated by God of Kings)
8. Isabella (eliminated by God of Kings)
9. Jadwiga (eliminated by Morningcalm)
10. Dido (eliminated by God of Kings)
11. Boudicca (eliminated by Guandao)
12. Catherine de' Medici (eliminated by God of Kings)
13. Tomyris (eliminated by IgorS)
14. Börte (eliminated by God of Kings)
15. Cleopatra (eliminated by Kimiimaro)
16. Jeanne d'Arc (eliminated by UkrNixon)
17. Indira Gandhi (eliminated by God of Kings)
18. Gorgo (eliminated by God of Kings)
19. Maria I (eliminated by civviefan)

 

[IgorS]

Börte 20
Boudicca 20
Catherine the Great 20
Catherine de' Medici 20
Cleopatra 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 20 + 1 = 21 - The leader I miss the most in Civ VI
Gorgo 20
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 20
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 20
Maria I 20 - 3 = 17 - Crazy and incompetent
Maria Theresa 20
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[UkrNixon]

Börte 20
Boudicca 20
Catherine the Great 20
Catherine de' Medici 20
Cleopatra 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 20
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 20
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 20
Maria I 17-3=14 (Why Firaxis didn't go with Maria II, who is remembered as a loving mother to her people, and instead chose Maria the Mad, is beyond me)
Maria Theresa 20
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 20+1=21 (she may have been just a figurehead, but an entire era was still named after her)
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Turrdy]

Börte 20
Boudicca 20
Catherine the Great 20 + 1 = 21 i like the way she turned around when she came on screen in the civ iv version, someone made a comic about it once and i only remember the nice booty.
Catherine de' Medici 20 - 3 = 17 not enough french for a french leader
Cleopatra 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 20
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 20
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 20
Maria I 14
Maria Theresa 20
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Börte 20
Boudicca 20
Catherine the Great 21
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 20-3=17 - One of the worst leader choices that Firaxis made for Civ VI. She is only known as a Leonidas' wife, nothing more, nothing less.
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 20
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 20
Maria I 14
Maria Theresa 20+1=21 - She was a very competent ruler who completely rebuilt undeveloped Habsburg monarchy with her great reforms.
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Hawke9]

Börte 20
Boudicca 20+1=21. The Celts were a great addition to civ v, and Boudicca was an awesome fierce warrior queen. I'd love to see them returning in civ vi in some dlc or expansion.
Catherine the Great 21
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 20-3=17. She may be one of the most iconic Egyptian rulers, but I would have loved to see a more ancient Egyptian ruler, like rammesses in civ v. I feel like Egypt is underrepresented under her rule.
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 17
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 20
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 20
Maria I 14
Maria Theresa 21
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Returning Lurker]

Börte 20
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 21
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 17
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 20+1=21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 20-3=17
Maria I 14
Maria Theresa 21
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 20

Isabella was one of the most influential, respected, and skillful rulers of her time. While occasionally forced into making some bad choices (she was personally rather nuetral to the open Jewish and truthful convert population and had many converts and Jews in her court prior to marrying Ferdinand, but was forced to implement conversion/exile policies due to public uproar and wanting to strengthen their relationship with the Pope which damaged the Spanish economy to no real gain) she seemed to have amazing foresight and knowledge of the impact of her decisions. She modernized Spain and set the scene for the country becoming the world's first true superpower.

Jeanne is an interesting historical figure and certainly an influential one, but she was a general first, a prophet second, and a ruler never. She certainly deserves recognition but not as the ruler of France.

 

[Guandao]

Börte 20
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 21
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo (17-3)=14 Not much is known about her, other than being Leonidas' wife.
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 14
Maria Theresa 21
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian (20+1)=21 Being reviled by traditional Chinese historians, she managed to become the only Empress regnant of China. One has to be cruel in the Chinese court system.

 

[IgorS]

Börte 20
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 21 + 1 = 22 - A great empress, who should be the number one choice for Russia
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 14
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 20
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 14 - 3 = 11 - Perhaps the worst leader choice, clearly chosen because they needed a woman, no matter who
Maria Theresa 21
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Morningcalm]

Börte 20
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 22
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 14
Hatshepsut 20 + 1 = 21 (One of Egypt's greatest pharaohs, female or no.)
Indira Gandhi 20 - 3 = 17 (A brutal and controversial warmongering leader whose assassination shocked a nation, but also relieved it from more brutality at her hands. She is considered someone who plunged India into a repressive dark age, and stormed a sacred Sikh temple, which triggered the hatred of her that killed her.)
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 21
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Manifold]

Börte 21 (20+1) alternative history: why not? Genghis is on the battlefield or in the Love tent, she had to rule instead.
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 22
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 14
Hatshepsut 18 (21-3) Egypt needs a Pharaoh from the Old or Middle Kingdom next.
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 21
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Kimiimaro]

Börte 21
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 22
Catherine de' Medici 17
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 14-3=11 - I'd much rather have Maria I as leader of Portugal than Gorgo as leader of Sparta. The literally only thing she is known for is that she was wife of Leonidas. She has to be first eliminated.
Hatshepsut 18
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 21+1=22 - Probably the most competent leader that Habsburg monarchy/Austria-Hungary ever had.
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Returning Lurker]

Börte 21
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 22+1=23
Catherine de' Medici 17-3=14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21
Gorgo 11
Hatshepsut 18
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

All the problems I had with Jeanne apply to Medici, but multiplied several times over. I don't see why Firaxis keeps feeling the need to shoehorn in a female leader for France when the country is simply not suited for it. They have a plethora of great leaders to pick from but they just keep picking women who never lead the country! And De Gaulle!

As for the other Catherine this is an empress who earned her spot with flying colors. Powerful, enlightened, cunning, and while also not technically belonging to the nation she leads Catherine the Great actually worked to better Russia whereas Medici just worked to keep her kids in power and was easy on her home country.

 

[civviefan]

Börte 21
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 21+1=22 Iconic and revered, with a fascinating origin story, a most unlikely person to earn the favours of history and her people
Gorgo 11
Hatshepsut 18
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 11-3=8 An odd choice indeed, wasn't she useless?
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Guandao]

Börte 21
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 22
Gorgo (11-3)=8 Not enough is known about her. She was as random a choice as Maria I in my opinion. The ancient Greeks were not known for having female leaders.
Hatshepsut 18+1=19 Umm, Manifold, It's not about who you want to return to the game. It's about which female leaders you like. And I like Hatshepsut. Probably the most capable female Pharaoh in Egypt's history.
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17
Maria I 8
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

Don't downvote base on who you don't want to return to Civ, but on who you dislike!

 

[IgorS]

Börte 21
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 22 + 1 = 23 - Making a draw with Catherine the Great, as these two are perhaps the worthiest of them all
Gorgo 8
Hatshepsut 19
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 17 - 3 = 14 - I want to make her tied with Catherine de' Medici, because I think Medici is a better choice, she at least was queen regnant for a while, and actually ruled France, unlike Jeanne d'Arc, who did not
Maria I 8
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[GenyaArikado]

Börte 21
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 23
Gorgo 8
Hatshepsut 19
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 21 + 1 = 22 Elizabeth who? ISABELLA *****ES fudging SPANISH INQUISTION fudging RECONQUISTA fudging AMERICAS WHEN WILL YOUR FAVES
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 14
Maria I 8 - 3 = 5 I actually dont wanna downvote anyone but i have to
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Morningcalm]

Börte 21 - 3 = 18 (Really unnecessary. For Mongolia, you only really need Genghis, who epitomizes Mongolia at its apex. Borte was mostly a domestic ruler, not a military one, so to have her in the game doing both is a bit weird.)
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 23
Gorgo 8
Hatshepsut 19 + 1 = 20 (Most worthy female leader here, imo, aside from maybe Maria Theresa, Elizabeth, Catherine the Great, and Wu Zetian).
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 22
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 14
Maria I 5
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21
Wu Zetian 21

 

[UkrNixon]

Börte 18
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 23
Gorgo 8
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 17
Isabella 22
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 14
Maria I 5-3=2 (Why didn't Firaxis choose Maria II if they wanted female leader for Portugal so much we will never know)
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 21+1=22 (Symbol of an entire era)
Wu Zetian 21

 

[Manifold]

Börte 18
Boudicca 21
Catherine the Great 23
Catherine de' Medici 14
Cleopatra 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth I 23
Gorgo 8
Hatshepsut 20
Indira Gandhi 14 (17-3) not so famous and the modern position is occupied by Gandhi for ever
Isabella 22
Jadwiga 20
Jeanne d'Arc 15 (14+1) whats up? Look at this list and search for the most famous female leader -> The Maid of Orléans leads the Dauphin to the coronation to Reims. She was at least a leader like Bismarck, Gorgo, Gandhi, Vicci, Pericles, ...not to mention the others on this list.
Maria I 2
Maria Theresa 22
Theodora 20
Tomyris 20
Victoria 22
Wu Zetian 21