Tyrs
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Which am I again?
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Immaculate
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I had designed the walls being like 'levels', one adds to the other. Think of the pallisade as 'scaffolding' to build the stone wall around. Since there are already players with the stone walls improvement, i'm going to keep with this system.
I think i based it on this system after playing medievel total war (bad reason i know- but that was why it was designed like that).
I.
orangelex44
Partisan
Medieval's a sweet game. First or second?
I guess I can see why people wouldn't want to have to spend the cash for palisades before stone walls, but as long as the stone walls are worth the total cost I can't take issue.
I guess I can see why people wouldn't want to have to spend the cash for palisades before stone walls, but as long as the stone walls are worth the total cost I can't take issue.
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Okay, so i know i said i would keep the system, but i thought that about the granaries too and i ended up replacing them even though it had already been implemented by some players.
As the players all know this game is full of small design flaws; its partially because i specifically got into the 'nitty-gritty' of improvments and units (instead of using abstract levels or generic units).
So, having said that, those design flaws CAN be fixed.
Hbar, others,
if you are unhappy with the present state of the pallisade and city wall improvements please provide an alternative suggestion.
I think pallisades have been useful for those who have bought them and had to defend a city in which they are built (if ANY disagree- please say so).
i.
As the players all know this game is full of small design flaws; its partially because i specifically got into the 'nitty-gritty' of improvments and units (instead of using abstract levels or generic units).
So, having said that, those design flaws CAN be fixed.
Hbar, others,
if you are unhappy with the present state of the pallisade and city wall improvements please provide an alternative suggestion.
I think pallisades have been useful for those who have bought them and had to defend a city in which they are built (if ANY disagree- please say so).
i.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
immy, can you please go on MSN? i have a small question to ask, but not one worth Emailing you about.
To me, it is a matter of what resources you have available. If someone didn't have hard stone, they can always build wooden palisades. If someone does not have iron, they can make stone or bronze weapons. Either way, there is an always-available base and an upgrade dependent on available resources. Both types of walls are good at stopping armies, but one is more resistant to damage.
To me, the current palisade implementation is like requiring bronze weapons before upgrading to iron.
That said, stone walls are significantly more difficult to erect, so I think they should be more expensive (it is currently a 5g difference) and/or have a greater production capacity requirement.
To me, the current palisade implementation is like requiring bronze weapons before upgrading to iron.
That said, stone walls are significantly more difficult to erect, so I think they should be more expensive (it is currently a 5g difference) and/or have a greater production capacity requirement.
Immaculate
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good points...
does anyone else have anything to add?
does anyone else have anything to add?
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
I agree with Hbar, if it helps.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Despite the set backs of the second ritual, for many in Amure, it was a hopeful moment. From the Plantations of Nimirail, to the Nicer sections of Cevedes, and even unto hippus settlements, a song was heard, rising from the hearts of the people.
OOC: based on Harry Belafonte's John Henry. which is a damn good song. This was written first sung by some poor orcs who got one of thier own into the scholars, and just know he died heroically to save them all.
OOC: based on Harry Belafonte's John Henry. which is a damn good song. This was written first sung by some poor orcs who got one of thier own into the scholars, and just know he died heroically to save them all.
kenkrajen
Prince
i third hbar. how bout making the prod cap needed 4 and make it cost 10 more gold in echange for not having to build the palisade?
Immaculate
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Hopefully this solves the problem. Pallisades are cheaper; walls are more expensive. Walls don't require pallisades and those with stone walls get a gold refund.
Each of you who has small stone walls, give yourself 10 gold per small stone walls in your next set of orders and also write in your orders why you got the bonus gold (because i know myself and i'll forget if you don't remind me).
Immac.
Each of you who has small stone walls, give yourself 10 gold per small stone walls in your next set of orders and also write in your orders why you got the bonus gold (because i know myself and i'll forget if you don't remind me).
Immac.
kenkrajen
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wouldn't it make sense for hard stone or brick to reduce the price of stone walls like lumber does for palisades? aside from that, i like the changes
MasterofDisasta
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Well I don't think you could really build stone walls without the stone source, but you can build a palisade without a "hard lumber source" - you just use more regular wood instead. That's why I think the walls have a resource requirement instead of a discount.
That said, I really like the new rules on them. Walls rule!
That said, I really like the new rules on them. Walls rule!
MasterofDisasta
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Oh come one, that's no fair.
We're great people - we've saved hunted slaves (Hallowed), defended the weak civilizations of Erebus (more Hallowed), and even accepted political refugees into our ranks (Sisters of Sirona). It can't all be that bad.
Besides, Axis seems to imply 3, and well ...
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The next bard's competition will be for thom yorke
Thom will be going to live with the nation who produces the best story about either religion or culture between the last update and update 19. His residence will be determined on update 20. Only stories written since the last update are eligible.
voting will take place after update 19 and is open to both players and to lurkers.
Orange gets a -1 vote because he won Bjork but is still eligible for this competition. the prize is the same.
Thom will be going to live with the nation who produces the best story about either religion or culture between the last update and update 19. His residence will be determined on update 20. Only stories written since the last update are eligible.
voting will take place after update 19 and is open to both players and to lurkers.
Orange gets a -1 vote because he won Bjork but is still eligible for this competition. the prize is the same.
kenkrajen
Prince
he's not gonna be given to the winner covered in s***, is he?
Immaculate
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For the update:
if you are trying to tech up a particular line (say culture) and its impossible to go any further without pre-requisites from other lines (say scholarship), your researchers will apply themselves to learning the pre-requisite knowledge first.
So... if you were expecting 'nationalism' and got 'apprenticeship' instead, you know why (that was an example that doesn't make sense but you get the idea)....
This is going to happen to someone this turn... so sorry.
if you are trying to tech up a particular line (say culture) and its impossible to go any further without pre-requisites from other lines (say scholarship), your researchers will apply themselves to learning the pre-requisite knowledge first.
So... if you were expecting 'nationalism' and got 'apprenticeship' instead, you know why (that was an example that doesn't make sense but you get the idea)....
This is going to happen to someone this turn... so sorry.
Immaculate
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So far yes (i think so anyway)
but there are cases (like trade and writing) where an additional tech is required beyond what is shown on the 'line map' because adding those arrows would make the map too cluttered.
so once the tech is revealed it should be evident but occassionally it is not.
If there is a particular tech you are curious about please feel free to e-mail or PM me and perhaps i can be of greater assistance
i.
but there are cases (like trade and writing) where an additional tech is required beyond what is shown on the 'line map' because adding those arrows would make the map too cluttered.
so once the tech is revealed it should be evident but occassionally it is not.
If there is a particular tech you are curious about please feel free to e-mail or PM me and perhaps i can be of greater assistance
i.
