Fighting Fascism

[Mewtarthio]

The bundle of sticks was the ancient Roman symbol of power. Mussolini was appealing to a desire to regain the glory of old Rome.

 

[Jon Shafer]

The fasces. That's where fascism got it's name.

 

[jkp1187]

Ridiculous. How soon we forget the pro-Fascist peace movement of the 1930s.... The collaboration of some Indians with the Japanese militarists. The fawning admiration of some academics for the fascists. Even Uncle Joe thought Hitler was just dandy until summer of '41.

 

[K.F. Huszár]

Hello
a bit off-topic, but could be connected here.
I see that war weariness should reconsidered totally together with governmental system.
First, not all wars should affect war weariness. If there is an underdeveloped civ, a war against it should not result in ww. E.g. no brittons thought it is a bad thing to quell the zulu uprising at the end of the 19th century. and Brittain was a democracy at that time....
Second, there should be some war weariness in Fascism as well. Just think that italian people was not keen on fighting against anyone in the 2nd WW and Italy was a pure fascist dictatorship.
Third, i see a solution in a new small wonder, the Liberal/Libertarian Media. if you build it, then all your cities get two more happy faces in peacetime plus some more commerce and dust, but suffer a huge war weariness in case of war.

 

[dh_epic]

I agree that war weariness needs to be a more complex feature and rethought. In fact, I think it should be expanded into morale. Every once in a while, a democratic country will believe strongly in a war and support it unequivocally -- e.g.: when they've been attacked, and their allies support them.

 

[CivEconomist]

Interesting that other governments weren't used instead during the creation of the game, like dictatorship, socialism, libertarianism etc. Interesting to note that while democracy appears to be a superior government, the US isn't one. "...and to the republic for which it stands..."

 

[dh_epic]

Yeah, it's pretty "crayola" in terms of government. No shades of gray at all.

 

[Mewtarthio]

Interesting that other governments weren't used instead during the creation of the game, like dictatorship, socialism, libertarianism etc. Interesting to note that while democracy appears to be a superior government, the US isn't one. "...and to the republic for which it stands..."

Actually, Communism is the best government. Power to the the people! (Incidentally, the US is not Communist, either. Your point?)

Dictatorship is basically a Despotism, except Despotism sounds a whole lot cooler. Socialism and Libertarianism aren't governments, they're political philosophies (big difference). Socialists, however, are generally Communist. Libertarians could be considered Democratic.

 

[dh_epic]

So you consider a government to simply be the number of people who rule, less than how they rule.

I think there needs to be greater variety in dictatorships. For example, there are a great number of dictators around the world now, but despotism is the "original government". There's a world of difference between said dictatorships now -- and they are not monarchies, nor are they fascist.

Democracies have a great amount of variety too. Just because you elect your President and they have an assembly does not make them a democracy the way we think of them in America. Saudi Arabia elects their leader. Iran has elected their leader, but they are known for a great deal of fundamentalism. Nearly every democratic country except America guarantees their citizens health rights. No two democracies are equal.

Not to mention: many socialists abhor communism.

Although we're off topic, I think there ought to be more variety within government is the only point I'm making. There's no reason that Civ should pigeon-hole people into this handful of distinct categories.

 

[Philips beard]

Saudi-Arabia elects their leader???? Since when?

 

[zilfondel]

You could also have a Fascist Oligarchy (group of people, like monopolists, who run the government)! That's...like...the U.S. right now!

Go Bush/Haliburton/Enron/etc! Yea! We...have war weariness.

 

[dh_epic]

My mistake, I meant Syria. They elect their leader, but that doesn't necessarily make them democratic how the USA is democratic.

Variety within governments is important, in my opinion.