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Final Civ List.

Discussion in 'Civ4 - World 2009 Mod' started by DVS, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    Updated again: Thanks Genghis Kai for the, almost certainly, final civ list.

    We appreciate everyone's help a great deal, but please, no further suggestions for changes unless you are personally working on the map. ;)

    The updated list (53 civs):

    Nation (includes)

    European Union (EU excluding UK)

    United Kingdom (Jamaica, Belize, Bahamas, Trinidad)
    Norway
    Russia
    Belarus

    Ukraine
    Turkey
    Georgia

    Morocco
    Algeria
    (Tunisia)
    Egypt
    Sudan
    Ethiopia
    West African States (Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, Senegal, and Togo.)
    Nigeria (Ghana, Liberia and Sierra Leone)
    Central African States (Cameroon, São Tomé, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon)
    Angola (DR Congo)
    South Africa (Botswana and Namibia)
    East African States (Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi)

    Saudi Arabia
    Israel
    Palestine
    Syria
    Iran
    Pakistan
    Bangladesh
    India

    Kazakhstan
    Mongolia
    China
    Taiwan
    North Korea
    South Korea
    Japan

    Myanmar
    Thailand
    Vietnam
    Philippines
    Indonesia
    Australia
    (Papul New Guinea and some pacific islands)
    New Zealand (some pacific islands)

    Canada
    United States
    (Iraq, Afghanistan)
    Mexico
    Colombia
    Bolivarian Americas (Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, Nicaragua)
    Peru
    Brazil
    Argentina
    Chile


    Neutral States (Switzerland, Turkmenistan and Costa Rica)

    Minor States (Iceland, Croatia, Albania, Serbia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Libya, Cape Verde, Mozambique, Madagascar, Seychelles, Lebanon, Jordon, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Yemen, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Laos, Cambodia, Guatemala, Haiti, Guyana, Suriname, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay)

    Failed States (Mauritania, Guinea, Côte d'Ivoire, part of Mali, part of Niger, Central African Republic, Chad, part of DR Congo, Eritrea, Somalia, Darfur, Malawi, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan, East Timor)
     
  2. sheep21

    sheep21 Prince

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    looks good here
    may I make afew small suggestions:
    NATO\UK should control:
    -Gibraltar - important choke point for med and source of friction with spain\EU
    -Falkands Islands - source of friction with Argentina
    -Indian Ocean Territory (Diego Garcia) - important joint UK\US Air and Naval Base
    See Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory

    -Accension Island - important air base
    -British Virgin Islands
    -Cayman Islands
    -Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia - important Land, Sea and Air base

    The EU should control
    -French overseas territories
    --French Guiana
    --French Polynesia
    --Guadeloupe
    --Martinique
    --Réunion
    --Mayotte
    --Saint Pierre and Miquelon
    --Wallis and Futuna
    --New Caledonia
    -Spain
    --Ceuta
    --Melilla
    --Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera
    --Peñón de Alhucemas
    --Islas Chafarinas
    -Dutch
    --Netherlands Antilles
    --Aruba
    -Denmark
    --Greenland
    --Faroe Islands


    not all of thse island possesions need to be included, but some do. Also, Diego Garcia is a British possesion and base, not American, surely the two having open boarders would be fine and allow the US to use the island?
     
  3. NikNaks

    NikNaks Deity

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    Just to check, the additions from the other list are:

    Georgia
    Thailand
    Vietnam
    Latin American socialist allies
    Syria


    Correct? If so, I'll do the flags right now.
     
  4. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    Yes, those are the additions. So if you like that list and we can do it, go for it.

    I checked out a bunch of the other flags, they're good bro.
     
  5. whitelaughter

    whitelaughter Warlord

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    How detailed will the prep-game map be? Do you need to know the location of national Wonders? or will that be handled by the players spending points at game start?
     
  6. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    NikNaks I hate to say this, but I think we should add two more.

    Ukraine

    and

    Belarus

    Priority to Ukraine certainly, Belarus could be minor nations, but if it doesn't hurt it would be a nice vassal for Russia to start with (now they have zero possibly?).

    This would really make Eastern Europe more interesting. After thinking about it, it's hard to leave out a country as large, powerful, and independent as the Ukraine when we have less important countries. A bonus for us is that Ukraine already has a high quality leaderhead made (in CivGold).

    If we've reached our limit we should consider bumping one out (really hate to say this after all the work you have done). But that's just my opinion, it's your call buddy.

    Final revision idea from me I promise. :D
     
  7. T_KCommanderbly

    T_KCommanderbly Prince

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    Can Use the 40 civ mod component, and you can fit more civs in. Just a heck alot more work.

    EDIT: nvm looks like your way ahead of me lol

    and i can see if i can convert bf2 and there mods files and get some modern warfare units for you guys
     
  8. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    The newest additions are:

    Belarus
    Ukraine
    Peru
    Chile
    Algeria
    Angola
    Sri Lanka
    Ethiopia


    Main Reasons:
    Belarus- Russia needs to start with a puppet
    Ukraine- Too powerful and independent to leave out
    Sri Lanka- Same as Ukraine

    South America and Africa are too big on GEM to leave out:
    Peru (ideologically leaning right, towards Columbia/America)
    Chile (ideologically leaning left, towards Venezuela)

    Algeria
    Angola
    Ethiopia
     
  9. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    Bahmo King

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    I sure hope my computer doesn't explode from playing this! All of these countries are going to be a bit of a burden, even if it's realistic.
     
  11. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    Well Bahmo, we'll give it a try. This is our ideal; looking closely at the GEM map, NikNaks and I agreed that these civs will make for the most accurate game. Leaving any of them out will either take away critical game situations, or make other civs/unions too large. All these civs will fit really nicely on the GEM.

    Now, that being said, if we build this thing and it is unusable on most people's computers, we can always remove a few them. Alternatly we could build a second map with less civs for people who find the full one too slow. There is no harm in including them all in the mod, even if a few end up being left out of the final map. In the future we could have more than one map, situational/regional maps are bound to be built once this mod is complete.

    We're all doing all this work, we may as well see how perfect we can make it.
     
  12. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    That would be rad. Please do. :)


    Regarding the civ limit, we have someone making the modifications that allow us to have 50.
     
  13. NikNaks

    NikNaks Deity

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    Alphebetised list:
    Spoiler :
    African Union
    Algeria
    Angola
    Argentina
    Australia
    Belarus
    Brazil
    Canada
    Chile
    China
    Colombia
    Egypt
    Ethiopia
    European Union
    Failed States
    Georgia
    Independent African States
    India
    Indonesia
    Iran
    Iraq
    Israel
    Japan
    Kazakhstan
    Latin Americans
    Mexico
    Minor Nations
    Myanmar
    NATO
    Neutral States
    Nigeria
    North Korea
    Pakistan
    Palestine
    Peru
    Philippines
    Russia
    Saudi Arabia
    South Africa
    South Korea
    Sri Lanka
    Sudan
    Syria
    Taiwan
    Thailand
    Ukraine
    United States of America
    Venezuela
    Vietnam
     
  14. robertusrex

    robertusrex Chieftain

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    Linking into DVS' post, possibly go with two games - one with the current list and another based around continents. The second one could also have countries like Russia, China, USA and Canada as separate Civs. Maybe split Europe into old eastern block and old American allies. But there would still be way fewer Civs and it would still be pretty accurate as to the world situation.
     
  15. NikNaks

    NikNaks Deity

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    Yep, that might be interesting. Maybe split Asia or Africa into two, though.
     
  16. DVS

    DVS El Presidente

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    I'm sure we will come up with a variety of different maps after we get the mod working. :D

    In addition to one with less civs (probably made on a smaller map), I would like to make some situational scenarios. So for example, an Israel/Palestine scenario, and Taiwan, Kashmir, etc etc. I suspect scenario building will become a real focus once the mod has actually been completed.

    Once it's finished (v1.0 at least), the sky is the limit as far as what kind of scenarios people can make.

    The 48 Civ, GEM scenario will simply be our masterpiece. :D
     
  17. robertusrex

    robertusrex Chieftain

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    That does sound pretty good. I've got a couple of ideas already...
     
  18. Agent327

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    That's just under 50 civs. Now the GEM Modern Resources map I had in mind fits - as is - only 36 civs, so I just want to make sure if it's OK if I go ahead with that map (adding 12-14 civs manually to the WBS) or if someone has a better idea to fit all the civs.:confused:

    BTW::newyear:
     
  19. NikNaks

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    No, go ahead and add in the others. We're supposed to have more than normal.
     
  20. Agent327

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    Alrighty. I'm starting on January 2009, Marathon speed and time progressing in weeks.;)
     

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