Thanks all. I have flubbed my next several monarch starts but to be fair most were trying the settled GPs approach which failed, so probably too much. I do have a current one I am doing fairly well with, Cyrus on a Pangea map. Gold in capital fat cross, easy horses, but very far from anyone and far from iron. Built the GW (awesome for cyrus) but lack of close neighbors really nerfs Cyrus's trait so far. Techwise I am OK except for Hannibal but I am few turnd from liberalism. Actually got bored that I started another Prince game. Undecided whether I will finish before I get BTS.