Fix the 5th trash game

[cabert]

about the resources, it's not such a big deal, really.
You found copper, but the trash game didn't?
well, if you looked for it the first time, odds are high that you'll look for it the second time, so it's not cheating.
And I agree with Roland (it's quite obvious in fact) that having found a resource and being ready to get it is positive for a game.
It's just that if it's on a screenshot, posted here, it's getting "part of the game". Whereas when it's just mentionned and visible in a save that isn't selected, it's easier to not take it into account when you play the next round.
Just my opinion, not a rule.

I didn't play yet, and so didn't open the spoilers.
If I count well, those players have finished the round :
- Kmad (ladies first)
- cam
- pigswill
- shyuhe
- Roland Johansen


If you have saved the game with your usual planning tags, signs and whatever you use to do, leave them. It shows how you usually play, and this can be educationnal (or not ).
But please, don't add instructions for the next player.

I usually put signs at city spots with the resources a city would get.
Those aren't instructions : I never settle all those cities.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Here's my contribution:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/61698/_jevind-gandhi_BC-2400.CivWarlordsSave

Summary:

Spoiler :

4000 BC founded Delhi on the spot. Decided to open goody hut through city radius growth and sent the warrior exploring. Decided to research Ployteism.
388 BC: City grew and opened hut - through it, I discovered Masonry.
3720 BC: Contacted by Bismarck's scout.
3520 BC: Founded Hinduism and converted to it, Went for BW. Warrior built, started to build settlet.
3080; Contact with Brennus.
3049: Someone else founded Buddhism.
3000 BC: Discovered BW, switched to Slavery. Began to research the Wheel. Opened goody hut in the far north. It gave my warrior XPs.
2720 BC: Discovered Wheel. Began to research Agriculture, Settler finished in Delhi, started to build worker.
2440 BC: Founded Bombay to block off Bismarck and reach the sea. Started to build Stoehenge here.
2400: Discovered Agriculture. began to research hunting.

 

[cabert]

Here's my contribution:

_jevind-gandhi_BC-2400.CivWarl...

looks like wrong button pressed...
if you uploaded your save using the "easy upload system", you can look into your account for your files, and give us a link (instead of html code )

 

[Öjevind Lång]

looks like wrong button pressed...
if you uploaded your save using the "easy upload system", you can look into your account for your files, and give us a link (instead of html code )

I uploaded the save using the easy upload system, but I have completely forgotten how to give a link here, and now I'll have to go to work. Will try again later, unless someone reminds me how to do it.

 

[cabert]

I uploaded the save using the easy upload system, but I have completely forgotten how to give a link here, and now I'll have to go to work. Will try again later, unless someone reminds me how to do it.

click on "my account" then "my attachment", then look for the save. Right click on the save and copy the shortcut.
come back here, edit your previous post, remove the html code, click on "insert link" (the globe with a chain), paste the shortcut to you save.
Et voila.

 

[FeedBack]

Wow. That post with the rules... I thought I was reading the constitution of the democracy game!

Maybe Ojevind's problem is the Ö in his save name. I don't know if the upload system supports accentuation...

Ok, here's my shot:

Spoiler :

I settled in place. I didn't feel comfortable to move the settler seeing desert and jungle nearby.
My tech path was:
BW -> Hunting -> AH -> Wheel -> Fishing (2 turns to complete IIRC).
I popped Masonry from a Hut!
Well, I tried to use Gyathaar log extractor, but it doesn't give the building orders, so I'll try to remember correctly:
Worker -> Warrior -> Scout (growing) -> Settler (1 chop) -> Warrior

After the worker was done, I sent him to mine a hill. It timed with hunting and I camped the 'Phants. I mined the other hill and pasturized the... cows? . I think I could have managed the worker better, but I wanted to see copper.

The scout really wasn't useful. It did some fogbusting, but was eaten by a Panther. I should have built a warrior instead.

The settler would be able to found second city in 2 turns.

This is being a fast round!

 

[Öjevind Lång]

click on "my account" then "my attachment", then look for the save. Right click on the save and copy the shortcut.
come back here, edit your previous post, remove the html code, click on "insert link" (the globe with a chain), paste the shortcut to you save.
Et voila.

Thanks! OK - now I'll neglect work for a while and check what the rest of you have been up to. Luckily, I'm my own boss, though occasionally a strict one.

 

[Roland Johansen]

Cam_H and Caberts opinion about what is planning and what are instructions seem to differ a bit. But on the other hand, the difference is very small.

I'm not sure if my savegame contains too much planning/instructions. I don't know if the text file which contains my moves and future planning contains too much planning/instructions.

Cabert, you are the leader here, so please take a look and tell me if I should remove some signs or shorten the planning section in my text file. I already reloaded my save and removed some signs.

By the way. I think that reading the planning of other players can be very helpful. A savegame by itself doesn't tell a lot about how someone plays. Of course, once the instructions/planning become too detailed and another player just tries to follow those instructions by the letter, then the learning experience (and fun) is diminished.

I'm going to look at some savegames now.

Trashy gandhi BC-2400 - Roland Johansen.CivWarlordsSave
Trashy Gandhi 4000BC-2400BC - Roland Johansen.txt

 

[Roland Johansen]

I took a look at the other savegames. I think most of my planning is rather useless for some of the other savegames. It's quite remarkable how different the savegames look. So unless my savegame is chosen as the trash game, I don't think it can hurt the game.

 

[pigswill]

Once we've got the games in, voted and selected the trash game I think it would be useful to discuss our outline plans and objectives for the next round. I think its very unlikely that we'll all have the same approach and I also think it would be useful/instructive/interesting to read how other people would tackle the same situation.
Micro-management decisions are obviously important in achieving objectives. There's a significant difference between posting "I'll build Oracle for CoL" and stating which tiles you develop and work in which order to achieve this quickly.

 

[KMadCandy]

ok i'm fighting with my drive to take a last look at my save before tidying up my write-up to make a real spoiler. i've looked at the other spoilers and have another question.

no one has mentioned meeting any other civs. let's pretend i have met signs of life on our planet other than just us trashies. are you guys just not mentioning contacts in spoilers since they're spoiler-y and just keep it in the save, or have you not met anybody and i should mention it if i did?

oh nvm i see that O L (with characters i can't type, i am sorry for that) answered that one for me.

 

[KMadCandy]

ok here we go. i had no ideas 40 turns was so little time. i haven't played a game without HoF mod in forever, and it does a little 40/660 thing in the corner. add in that i'm used to epic and not normal, and i'm gonna screw up so bad!

Spoiler :

4000. start building warrior, research to poly. i tend to always go for poly not med, since it seems to me the AIs favor med and particularly with gandhi's prereqs we're hopefully guaranteed monotheism if we don't actually get the hindu holy city. and we want the mono tech someday even if we don't found it, for the OR bonus.
?? i think i wrote the year down wrong. whichever year the border popped, i got a scout from the hut, met cyrus's scout literally on that turn from that scout so waiting for the border pop was a close call! i met bismarck not much later, and brennus quite a bit later.
3560. discovered poly, founded hindu, converted. research to hunting, wanted to put a camp on the jumbos and then get AH. i already wanted to find ponies early, even more so having met cyrus. i love immortals only when they belong to me.
?? i think i missed writing down the year hunting came in, but it came in sometime.
2960. AH came in, i set research to BW
2800. Bismarck adopts slavery so he has BW
2760. Cyrus adopts slavery too! i'm getting all worried about not knowing BW yet. i'm not used to barbs lately and other people are depending on me besides just my citizens, OMG!
2680. buddhism FIADL, nobody that we know adopts it
2480. BW comes in, i went to slavery

one warrior has no exp, one warrior is woodsman1, scout is combat1 (oopsies) but he ended his turn next to a barb archer (!!!!!!! i'd only seen animals until that last turn)

builds:
i built a warrior then a worker. i started on a barracks before the worker i think? to let the city to grow to 2 (1 turn), but maybe it was before the settler. anyway, delhi is now working on the barracks again, will grow to size 3 in two turns so i figured i'd let it grow to 3 that before making the settler to head to piggy/ponytown/maybe stone, haven't decided exactly where to place it with all the desert/mountain tiles but i want the stuff before cyrus gets it. safe call? i dunno. especially having only seen REAL barbs at 2400. like, maybe we need a 3rd actual troop before we make a third city?

the trashiest part: i don't know exactly where i want coppertown to be!! didn't explore well enough over there grrrrrrrr.

currently researching the wheel. i had jungle grow on one of my bananas waaah, but i did get a forest growth. i mined the hills so that jungle can't grow on them now and mines are good settler-making tiles.
i know partial cultural borders for all 3 guys i met but took the signs for that off since that's a bit heavy on the spoilery side if anybody didn't explore those directions i think, particularly on one dude.

seeing how different the saves have turned out has really surprised me. i scouted far better than i thought i had in some respects (finding the other guys and some of the resources) but el sucko others (OMG archers already??? i hadn't started fogbusting AT ALL, i had two warriors, one with settler and one on the way back to the currently undefended center of our empire!!!

i don't use the city governor. some things it does drive me nuts. right now it wants to assign the 2 people to the cows and a mine. that gets the barracks done one turn faster, growth in same number of turns (but 7 food instead of 8) but we lose 2 of our 11 total commerce which makes the wheel 8 turns away instead of 6. it doesn't know that for me the barracks is filler, and even on emphasize commerce i disagree sometimes. so i go thru cities frequently and babysit, hubby considers me weird but what does he know. this is my first SG, if it's bad SG policy to leave the governor off tell me and i'll try to remember to switch them back to governor when i save it.

Trashy_gandhi_BC-2400_KMad.CivWarlordsSave

 

[Cam_H]

Spoiler :

Only read if you've played your round!

Spoiler :

Round Objectives

• Found Hinduism.
• Get basic Worker techs to maximise our Capital's potential.
• Construct a second Settler / City.
• Find suitable city sites, ideally spot Stone/Marble, and meet the neighbours.

Opening

I did not like the idea of risking losing a Rice tile for ‘jungle unknowns’ in the south, so opted to move the Settler one tile to the north west and found Delhi there. For my effort, I picked up a second Elephant! Founding Delhi also showed up a Hut to the south.

I chased Polytheism – you can never tell, but I tend to have better luck competing with the AI for Hinduism than Buddhism, while Polytheism is arguably the more useful technology ( > Organised Religion, Literature). As a Spiritual leader, if the diplomatic pressure from converting to a religion becomes too much then we can switch to ‘No religion’ at a moment’s notice.

I start on a Fast Worker. We only have one Worker technology in Mining, but we have a couple of Grassland Hills, and there’s always some chance that we’ll pick up a Worker technology from a hut.

3840BC : The hut reveals a map of the east. Loads of jungle, and generally not as appealing as the river areas to the west. The map nonetheless reveals a hut in the jungle, which is chased …

3640BC : … which nets us a whopping 29.

3600BC : Warrior survives a pride of Lions.

3520BC : Polytheism comes in and we do found Hinduism! Convert for the happy bonus. With a Rice resource and a Floodplains tile, I go after Agriculture next. I’m keen to get Hunting too for the Elephants. Agriculture for food growth, or Hunting for more commerce? Hmmm … Agriculture.

3320BC: Spot Brennus’s borders a fair distance to the south south west. He too has Elephants, and already has a Camp built.

When our Fast Worker is completed, we aim to pump up the population while building a second Warrior, and later make a start on a third Warrior.

3200BC: Agriculture > Hunting

2960BC: With the two Animal Husbandry prerequisites, we move on to the slightly discounted Animal Husbandry technology. We have Cows, but will we also have Horses?

After Delhi’s population hits 3 (with some overflow), we make a start on a Settler.

2600BC: Our fast Worker has been busy, and starts work on the Cows when Animal Husbandry comes in. No evidence of Horses.

Buddhism still hasn’t been founded, and would have been an easy pick up, but alas …

Animal Husbandry > Bronze Working

We spot German borders to the north east and meet Bismark. Our #2 Warrior fortifies near the Mountains.

2440BC: Buddhism is FIADL.

2400BC: Our intrepid roaming Warrior survives a second assault of Lions. 2/2XP.

End of Turn Screenies:

Summary

I guess all up we're in a reasonable position. India got its religion, we have a decent but not great look at the map - enough for a couple of city sites at least. A Settler is due next turn. Delhi's got most of its resources covered. Bronze in six, although it would be good to go The Wheel > Pottery fairly soon afterwards, depending on whether we're anywhere near Copper. No Horses, no Marble, no Stone yet spotted.

Trashy_gandhi_BC-2400_Cam

 

[cabert]

Well, being the one who opened the game, I could at least have played my round, but I didn't and probably won't be able to play (anything) before friday.
If you all want to go further quickly, I'll skip this round.

If there is no hurry, I'll play on friday afternoon, and post on friday evening, french time.

 

[Cam_H]

One nice thing about being captain is that you don't need to ask for permission!

I'm happy to wait until you've played.

 

[cabert]

One nice thing about being captain is that you don't need to ask for permission!

sure, but keeping everyone happy to play is also my task as captain

I'm happy to wait until you've played.

You're hoping I'll be the first round trash game again?
I'll put another rule that the same guy cannot be trash game in the same round in 2 consecutive games. I'm the captain, ain't I?
Then again I may be a fair player, and accept my fate ...

 

[pigswill]

The other option is not to play a trash round (regard it as a challenge ). You can do it!

Spoiler :

After your shadow of ALC 14 (1358 dom victory ) you have no excuses for putting in a trash round .

 

[cabert]

The other option is not to play a trash round (regard it as a challenge ). You can do it!

Spoiler :

After your shadow of ALC 14 (1358 dom victory ) you have no excuses for putting in a trash round .

I'll try my best of course. Then again I tried my best in the previous game too.

Spoiler :

I'm quite good at finishing games. Not so much at starting them .That's why I like taking Sisiutil's game after he has done all the work for me

 

[Roland Johansen]

If there is no hurry, I'll play on friday afternoon, and post and friday evening, french time.

Ok with me. Go ahead and finish it friday afternoon.

 

[FeedBack]

I'm gonna download the games today to take a preliminary look at them. But I can say right now that it's good to see how different people can play the same save game. That's what I liked in the trash series.
And cap'n cabert, I do hope you play the starting trash round again. I'm not trying to pressure you, but the reports show solid plays so far! I'm starting to worry how to vote!