Football Player Dies - Coach charged with Reckless Homicide.

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What do you think about this? It was on the news.

In Kentucky, a 15 football player collapsed during practice and died from heat stroke (or exhaustion, whatever). The coach is being charged with reckless homicide. It was 94 out, then they're saying the coach was reckless in making the kids practice.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous. The player could have stopped. The player could have not come to practice. It's Kentucky, it gets hot in the summer. Should all out door activities be banned during the summer?

Sorry you lost your son, but come on.

Whats do yous think?
 
i agree with the family.
 
While I don't agree with what you've saie, I agree with your final judgment.
Football practice happens in that weather, it sucks, I know, but that's how it goes- I don't know why we're getting info on this in January, and I'm going to have to ask for a source but from what you say, I wouldn't call it homicide. That said it depends on the situation, did the coach allow and have proper hydration available, did he notice any tell tale signs of exhaustion, fatigue, and dehydration, etc. Those things are very important variables and with other coaches and players around will surely yield a few truths about the situation.

"Sorry you lost your son, but come on"

No, you come on.
 
I may be tempted to call this negligent homocide. The thing that really disgusted me about the whole deal is that he prevented his athletes from drinking water. He deserves significant punishment for this. I disagree with the assertion that you place full responsibility on a child in this situation. If the child was fully aware that he could DIE from what the coach was doing, then okay. But the fact of that matter is that he was 15, and probably under the impression that nothing was going to happen to him as a result of practice. The man was an adult in charge of supervising the well being of a bunch of kids. And he put them in extreme danger. He was in the wrong.
 
I'd hold someone at fault here - whether it's the coach or the school system, I don't know. Many, many places do have rules on when it's not safe to practice, this practice wouldn't have happened in my school system, for instance. If this was a regularly scheduled practice the school system needs to change it's policies - if the coach alone was responsible for holding it he could more likely be at fault. But then it always is sad that just because of football every sports waiver you ever have to sign also covers "serious injury and death..." (maybe a little cheap shot here, but still the padding/equipment was almost certainly a factor in the heat)

However, I also see the need for the source, this didn't happen in Kentucky in January (at first I thought this may be some *soccer* story from Australia or something) but this seems like it's old. Perhaps there was an update in the court case?
 
Another source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_re_us/player_death_charges

Spoiler :
LOUISVILLE, Ky. – Football players know them as "gassers" — sprints up and down the field to build stamina.

Sophomore Max Gilpin and his Pleasure Ridge Park teammates spent the tail end of a three-hour practice on a sweltering August day in Louisville running the drill that is a coaching staple across the country, hoping to impress enough to earn varsity playing time that fall.

They sprinted 12 times in what felt like 94-degree heat, sometimes with helmets and pads, as the coaches pushed them to go harder and harder. It was a drill like those on many high school football fields, until Gilpin, a 6-foot-2, 220-pound offensive lineman, collapsed to the turf just 15 minutes after a teammate went down.

Three days later, the 15-year-old Gilpin was dead from heat stroke, with authorities saying his body temperature was 107 degrees when he reached the hospital. Five months later, his first-year head coach David Jason Stinson is facing a reckless homicide charge, with a prosecutor saying the coach should have realized a player could get heat stroke in such broiling weather.

Harold Jarrard, whose grandson played on the offensive line, was there Aug. 20 and said coaches were shouting at the players, encouraging them to pick it up as practice wound down.

"It was just a normal day of practice," he said. "They always run gassers at the end. It's a daily activity. Nothing was different that day. I never heard anything out of the ordinary.

"You hear them being threatened every day, stuff like 'If you don't straighten up, you're out of here.' It was just regular," he said.

Interviews with witnesses and a review of filings in a civil lawsuit brought by Gilpin's parents against the coaching staff, including depositions, Stinson's handwritten notes and weather logs filed with the school, shed some light on what happened that day.

For Brian Bale, who was watching his daughter play soccer on an adjacent field during most of football practice, the way coaches were yelling at players was "appalling," he said in an e-mail to the school district two days later. Bale declined an interview request from The Associated Press on Friday.

But he wrote in the e-mail: "Those coaches thought that they were training young teenagers for the Navy SEALS team instead of a football team. I never once in the time I was there saw anyone offered a water break. I did, however, hear the coach say numerous times that all he needed was one person to say that they quit the team and all of the suffering and running and heat would be over."

That's exactly what Kim Englert's son, David, did — quit that day.

David Englert said "Coach Stinson made the team run sprints until someone quit," Gilpin's mother, Michele Crockett said in court filings.

Heat exposure deaths happen occasionally in football from the sandlot to the pros, the most famous example being Minnesota Vikings offensive lineman Korey Stringer in 2001. Lawsuits have been filed in many of those cases, but it doesn't appear that a coach has ever been criminally charged.

Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Stengel declined to say why he chose this case for a grand jury. Stinson, a technical teacher at the school who has been reassigned pending the outcome of the case, is scheduled to be arraigned on Monday.

His attorney, Alex Dathorne, did not return calls from The Associated Press on Friday.

Jarrard said the Gilpin's death weighed heavily on Stinson throughout the season as the Panthers finished with a 4-4 record. The coach brought Gilpin's jersey to each game in tribute, though he made no changes to his team's practice routine, according to his notes.

"He's a real gentleman, he's got kids of his own," Jarrard said. "He lost a boy that day, too."

Stinson is no stranger to hot August football training camps. The former high school and college offensive lineman played briefly with the NFL's New York Giants. At the 1,900-student Pleasure Ridge Park, he spent three years as the offensive line coach before taking over the team in January 2008.

Stinson's weather log showed a heat index of 94 degrees as practice started at 2:30 p.m. The index is a measure of how hot it feels based on temperature and humidity.

A small group watched the workout, including Gilpin's father, Jeff Gilpin, who sat next to Jarrard for most of the final two hours of the session, according to Jarrard and court documents.

Practice began with players congregating in the locker room before moving on to weights and film review. They took the field at 3:45 p.m. The team went through a variety of stretches and drills for about an hour before being given three water breaks in a 30-minute period, the log shows.

Then at 5:30 p.m. came the gassers.

About a half-hour later, the first player collapsed, and Stinson sent him to a nearby tree for shade and treated him with water and ice packs, according to the coach's notes.

Gilpin collapsed 15 minutes later, at about 6:10 p.m., as the rest of the team headed for the shade tree for an end-of-practice meeting.

Assistant coach Steve Deacon called 911 when Gilpin stopped responding to ice packs and water. In the call, made at 6:17 p.m., Deacon describes Gilpin as pale, with a "big rapid pulse."

"Yes ... he's breathing ... yeah ... he's going ... kinda going in and out on us though," Deacon said.

Christina Spiva, the mother of another Pleasure Ridge Park student, called Gilpin's mother a few minutes later.

"You need to get here quick. He's been down here for a while and I don't think they are moving fast enough," Spiva said.

Crockett arrived at the school at 6:27 p.m. and found her son limp, with bloodshot eyes staring straight ahead, an ice pack behind his neck and a hose spilling water over the pack. Two people were pumping his legs to "keep Max's circulation going," Crockett said. Crockett did not return calls to The Associated Press and a phone number found for Jeff Gilpin was not his.

Paramedics arrived about the same time and made an unsuccessful attempt at putting a tube down Max Gilpin's throat before rushing him to the hospital, where he remained for three days before he died of septic shock, multiple organ failure and heat stroke. His teammate who collapsed was released several days later.

Gilpin was one of six heat-related deaths in high school and college athletics in 2008, said Dr. Frederick Mueller with the National Center for Catastrophic Injury Research at the University of North Carolina.

More than 120 athletes have died under similar circumstances since 1931.

(This version CORRECTS Corrects in 2nd graf that heat index was 94, not actual temp; inserts that player's father was at practice, attempts to reach him; adds definition of heat index. Multimedia: PDF copies of the transcript of the 911 call related to Gilpin's death and a statement by the family are available in the _documents folder, slugged player_death_911.pdf and player_death_statement.pdf. Moving on general news and sports services.)


After reading that, I don't quite believe the coach to be some evil drill sergeant wannabe. The boy's father was even there and didn't seem to have any objections.

If the heat was truly unbearable then I would expect the players to simply quit... it's not like they're in the marines where they would have to fear some sort of punishment. Reckless Homicide seems a bit overboard...
 
After reading that, I don't quite believe the coach to be some evil drill sergeant wannabe. The boy's father was even there and didn't seem to have any objections.

If the heat was truly unbearable then I would expect the players to simply quit... it's not like they're in the marines where they would have to fear some sort of punishment. Reckless Homicide seems a bit overboard...

He should definitly be prosecuted you should stop practice after the first kid goes down. BTW although technicly the kid should have common sense to stop, most fifteen year old kids will be afraid to stop to fear reprisal from not getting enough playing time and discrespect from friends.
 
He should definitly be prosecuted you should stop practice after the first kid goes down. BTW although technicly the kid should have common sense to stop, most fifteen year old kids will be afraid to stop to fear reprisal from not getting enough playing time and discrespect from friends.

At my 3rd grade baseball practice kids were vomiting and and passing out, yet the practice was not stopped. Some coaches take their job very seriously..
 
BTW although technicly the kid should have common sense to stop, most fifteen year old kids will be afraid to stop to fear reprisal from not getting enough playing time and discrespect from friends.

Should we ban all outdoor school activities in the south during the summer since we can't rely on common sense to stop when we are feeling sick?
 
okay so this happened up here in North Dakota also....he collapsed during practice, and he was athletic and everything but just collapsed. When I practiced if I knew I wasnt going to make it, I would just rest no matter how much the coach yelled at me. I rather live then die during practice!!!
 
We could do anything over 90. Or we could just prosecute coaches whenever this happens so they go easier on kids.
 
I may be tempted to call this negligent homocide. The thing that really disgusted me about the whole deal is that he prevented his athletes from drinking water. He deserves significant punishment for this. I disagree with the assertion that you place full responsibility on a child in this situation. If the child was fully aware that he could DIE from what the coach was doing, then okay. But the fact of that matter is that he was 15, and probably under the impression that nothing was going to happen to him as a result of practice. The man was an adult in charge of supervising the well being of a bunch of kids. And he put them in extreme danger. He was in the wrong.

This.

Without having read the article, if the coach did deny his athletes water during a sweltering hot day, yes, he is in the wrong. And he should face some sort of punishment. I don't know if homicide is the correct charge, but something involving criminal negligence is definitely befitting of this case.
 
He should definitly be prosecuted you should stop practice after the first kid goes down. BTW although technicly the kid should have common sense to stop, most fifteen year old kids will be afraid to stop to fear reprisal from not getting enough playing time and discrespect from friends.

well if you can't do it then you should expect a decrease in playing time. Life isn't a disney show special, they don't let kids play sports they're not good at.

unless the coach was physically stopping him from getting water or resting I don't think there should be charges.
 
It's not as if a 15-year-old boy in high school is able to look out for his best interests at all times. There's a reason the law treats and punishes juveniles differently than adults. If the coach denied the kids water, and such a denial lead to the boy's death, then yes, there's negligence there. Negligent homicide? Seems a bit harsh. No one was acting with the knowledge that what was being done was life threatening.
 
Homicide? wow. thats quite harsh for this.
 
If he denied them water, prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.
 
There's been a lot of publicity about this lately, expecially here in Florida where there were recently 2 high school deaths during football practices. It sounds like the prosecutors felt the coach must not have taken it seriously enough.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080730164322.htm

ScienceDaily (Aug. 1, 2008) — You could say two is a small number. But that's still two too many for Frederick O. Mueller, Ph.D., professor of exercise and sports science in the College of Arts and Sciences at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

The figure represents the number of reported cases of heat stroke deaths among high school level football players in 2007. To Mueller, it also represents two young lives unnecessarily lost: one was 17-years-old; the other, just 16.

"There's no excuse for any number of heat stroke deaths, since they are all preventable with the proper precautions," said Mueller, the author of the Annual Survey of Football Injuries, a long-running compilation of statistics that tracks major injuries and deaths in 1.8 million football players on middle school, high school, college, sandlot (organized, non-school affiliated) and professional teams. The report is produced by the UNC-based National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research, of which Mueller is director.

The figures take to 33 the total number of football players who have died from heat stroke since 1995 (25 high school, 5 college, 2 professional and one sandlot).

With summer now in full swing and football training sessions kicking into gear, the latest annual report serves as a stark reminder of the precautions that coaches – and players – need to take when practicing and playing in the heat.

Mueller's report offers the following advice for helping prevent heat-related deaths:

Require each athlete to have a physical and know if an athlete has a history of heat-related illness; such players are more susceptible to heat stroke. Overweight players are also at higher risk.
Acclimatize players to the heat slowly; North Carolina mandates that the first three days of practice be done without uniforms.
Alter practice schedules to avoid long workouts in high-humidity.
Provide cold water before, during and after practice in unlimited quantities.
Provide shaded rest areas with circulating air; remove helmets and loosen or remove jerseys; some schools have plastic outdoor pools filled with ice for cool-downs after practice.

Athletes should weigh in each day before and after practice and their weight charts should be checked in order to treat any who lose excessive weight each day. Generally, a three percent loss in body weight through sweating is safe; five percent is in the danger zone.

Know the symptoms of heat illness: nausea, incoherence, fatigue, weakness, vomiting, muscle cramps, weak rapid pulse and visual disturbance. Contrary to popular belief, heat stroke victims may sweat profusely.

Have an emergency plan in place; parents should inquire about emergency plans for their children's teams.
 
I may be tempted to call this negligent homocide. The thing that really disgusted me about the whole deal is that he prevented his athletes from drinking water. He deserves significant punishment for this. I disagree with the assertion that you place full responsibility on a child in this situation. If the child was fully aware that he could DIE from what the coach was doing, then okay. But the fact of that matter is that he was 15, and probably under the impression that nothing was going to happen to him as a result of practice. The man was an adult in charge of supervising the well being of a bunch of kids. And he put them in extreme danger. He was in the wrong.

What he said.
 
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