Football Thread No. 9

[Krill]

In the UK, if a company is liquidated (ceases to exist), the assets bought by a new company, which continues to run the company as it was. It's just a method of buying the company without having to pay all of the debts. The problem is that the new company can't change the employment contracts of the employees, and if the employees want, they don't have to work for the new company. And this applies to everyone, from the cleaners to the players. The players are free to take up employment by anyone, the problem "arises" over that players registration which is still technically held by Rangers. But that's technically illegal under UK law according to the the Scottish players union, and is stated explicitly in the TUPE regulations which are the UK law on the subject.

Which is why FIFA is in an interesting position. It'll be interesting to see if they try to flaunt UK law.

 

[del62]

I think when the players wages were cut mid season it was obvious most would leave at the end of the season.

 

[mitsho]

Well, but then it seems like the problem is confined to the Scottish League, right? Since the Registration Right of the Rangers only applies there. Or is that where FIFA comes in? But why would they change the right of players to leave the club when it goes broke. That's the usual way forward and clubs go broke all the time so it's not really a new situation.

Even if they'd rule against it, the associations (scottish and elsewhere) would have to grant a provisory registration probably since it would end up in front of the CAS which does need its time to decide. And as I said, I haven't heard of problems by the Swiss Association to register Lafferty from Rangers for Sion. And you know they would be very careful when it goes on wether FC Sion players should be allowed to play or not, after all they spent half of the last season with FC Sion in front of every possible and impossible court... (and that's why Celtic even played internationally last year)

 

[Krill]

There is a difference between administration and liquidation. Administration involves the company continuing to operate, with that company still holding the players registration, but liquidation is the end of the company, and after liquidation that company no longer exists to hold the players registration.

 

[Quackers]

Well I hope this doesn't hurt Southampton. We just signed Stephen Davis from Rangers.

 

[mitsho]

yes, I know the difference between these terms, even if I don't know the English ones (but in my own language ). You still haven't answered my main question though. Why does the scottish registration right* extend to other leagues? So the new company only holds the right for the scottish league, right? Or maybe the English, Welsh and Northern Irish ones as well, since those are the same country?

*maybe the problem is here. What's a registration right? I understood it like licensing as every player needs a license by the association to be able to play which is a combination of a work permit and a check that you don't play with two clubs during the same transfer period. Is it something different?

 

[Krill]

The registration is sanctioned by FIFA. Only one club can hold the registration at one time. As far as FIFA are concerned the players registration is currently held by RFC. Who it goes to next though...

It isn't really a work permit in a sense of what country you can work in, but I think the idea works the a cursory understanding.

 

[del62]

When a player runs out of contract he can move wherever he wants, this is basically the situation the Rangers players are in, the new company can't hold on to their registation, they are all on Bosmans.

 

[Takhisis]

They are under contrat with the old company which has gone under and doesn't/won't exist anymore, any contract would be void.

 

[Quackers]

Wow Andy Caroll to go on loan to AC Milan?! Why not just go to the Donkey Sanctuary it would be cheaper!

 

[del62]

Andy Carroll just does not fit into Rodgers style, though he was one of Liverpools better players at the end of last season.

I wonder if he could break a donkeys jaw though.

 

[holy king]

what?

who has confirmed this? because the club hasnt.

 

[del62]

what?

who has confirmed this? because the club hasnt.

Rodgers open to Carroll Loan Move

 

[Quackers]

Yeah excuse that, i mis-worded it and it was misleading. Yet there is interest from AC i think Berlusconi praised him.

If I was AC i would jump at the chance to join AC

 

[Takhisis]

Heh-heh, Al Wasl have fired Maradona already. Anyone who wins an away first leg 3-1 and then loses the return leg of the final -and the trophy- at home doesn't deserve to lead.

 

[Pangur Bán]

We won't, too many clubs in the top two divisions hate us, some because of the cheating (hey, we dodged taxes to no end for over a decade, and it's always a toss-up to see if either us or Celtic gets the bigger benefits from the refs) and some because of jealousy, but whatever the result, they do not want us. We're going all the way down to the third division alright.

Rangers are hated because they have behaved appallingly to smaller clubs over the years, it's a build-up of slights and fan resentment. Most SPL boards wanted Rangers back in the league for reasons of avarice/financial management, but the fans of the smaller clubs rebelled and threatened in unprecedented numbers to boycott next season's games.

Fans know the finances will be damaged, but punishing Rangers makes this more than endurable. Rangers are the only club in Scotland whose fans sing offensive and derogatory songs at every opposition stadium, carry provocative flags and banners, and so on; they have proudly acted obnoxiously just for the sake of it (celebrating massacres, and even going so far as to embrace English national symbols simply because other Scottish fans take offence), and now they are paying the price. Celtic would probably have got straight back into the SPL, but not Rangers. It's a political lesson for anyone who thinks that treating your neighbours like crap is an acceptable permanent stance just because you've always gotten away with it.

 

[Pangur Bán]

BTW, the about to go out of existence Rangers were originally founded by four Gaelic-speaking Highlanders. This is a little known irony about the ideology trumpeted by the hard-core Rangers base (and arguablly about the anti-Scottish sentiment).

 

[Quackers]

If thats the reaon, it's pretty despicable for the other clubs after all it's just a bit of banter to wind up the other fans and players. I mean clubs worldwide do the same thing.

The only reason why Rangers should be punished is because they failed to abide by the financial rules put down by the league. They shouldn't be allowed to break rules just because they are a massive club.

 

[Takhisis]

Rangers are hated because they have behaved appallingly to smaller clubs over the years, it's a build-up of slights and fan resentment. Most SPL boards wanted Rangers back in the league for reasons of avarice/financial management, but the fans of the smaller clubs rebelled and threatened in unprecedented numbers to boycott next season's games.

Fans know the finances will be damaged, but punishing Rangers makes this more than endurable. Rangers are the only club in Scotland whose fans sing offensive and derogatory songs at every opposition stadium, carry provocative flags and banners, and so on; they have proudly acted obnoxiously just for the sake of it (celebrating massacres, and even going so far as to embrace English national symbols simply because other Scottish fans take offence), and now they are paying the price. Celtic would probably have got straight back into the SPL, but not Rangers. It's a political lesson for anyone who thinks that treating your neighbours like crap is an acceptable permanent stance just because you've always gotten away with it.

That I bloody well know. But the average stadium-going idiot doesn't. See the strange ways of thinking opening your eyes and travelling a bit can cause!

BTW, the about to go out of existence Rangers were originally founded by four Gaelic-speaking Highlanders. This is a little known irony about the ideology trumpeted by the hard-core Rangers base (and arguablly about the anti-Scottish sentiment).

Heh, those of us who do speak Gaelic these days are a minority.

If thats the reaon, it's pretty despicable for the other clubs after all it's just a bit of banter to wind up the other fans and players. I mean clubs worldwide do the same thing.

The only reason why Rangers should be punished is because they failed to abide by the financial rules put down by the league. They shouldn't be allowed to break rules just because they are a massive club.

No, really, Quackers, just look up the lyrics for 'Billy boys'. I daren't post them here.

 

[Pangur Bán]

That I bloody well know. But the average stadium-going idiot doesn't. See the strange ways of thinking opening your eyes and travelling a bit can cause!

Good Rangers fans are in the majority of course, but as always it's the prominent minority who shape opinion.

If thats the reaon, it's pretty despicable for the other clubs after all it's just a bit of banter to wind up the other fans and players. I mean clubs worldwide do the same thing.

Rangers stuff is darker than any "banter" you'll get in merry old England. Banter is supposed to contain humour, not invoke pure hatred. You really have to experience it to really get it. Singing songs about being "up to our knees" in the blood of Irishmen for instance: that's not banter.

The only reason why Rangers should be punished is because they failed to abide by the financial rules put down by the league. They shouldn't be allowed to break rules just because they are a massive club.

Indeed, and on that basis, if Rangers aren't sent to Division 3 it will make Scotland look like some joke tin-pot haven of corruption. Even the manager McCoist admits D3 is the only way that could get Rangers accepted back as normal members of the footballing world (this has been the fate of other, if lesser, clubs in their position).