Not legally, no. You are allowed to go up to someone's door and ring their doorbell under, I think, any circumstance; if it is for a religious purpose you can go into gated communities as well (not that I did).
For agnostic/athiests a poll: Does religion ever offend you?
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Right, but if they tell you to leave you must leave immediatly right?
I am not sure what we have to do. If it is an apartment building, even the owner can't kick us out, but generally at least the LDS missionaries leave when asked. I mean, we have things to do, there is no reason to hang around on someone's porch if they want us to leave.
nihilistic
Intergalatic Delivery Boy
Then you should read his reply to my message 3 posts down that thread too. Not only does he not get anything said he proceeded to act out in detail every single criticism I made about his ideology.
Israelite9191
You should be reading
So, according to 40.28% of you, it's wrong if I, say, move to Israel because my faith tells me it is the right thing to do? Or if I donate large amounts of my income to charity because my faith tells me it is the right thing to do? Or to advocate for the poor and the oppressed because my faith tells me it is the right thing to do? Or to marry and have children because my faith tells me it is the best thing to do?
Basically, if you voted that it offends you if religious people base their important decisions on their faith, then you voted that people don't have the right to make decisions based on their own opinions. If you are a liberal and wanted to vote for a liberal party, would you be angry if someone told you that you couldn't because it is offensive to vote based on your opinions? I believe that you would. The fact that people can, at the same tame, believe atheists have a right to chose based on their convictions and believe that religious people don't have a right to chose based on their convictions sickens me. Really, I always felt that atheists were just as moral as anyone else, now I am not so sure.
Basically, if you voted that it offends you if religious people base their important decisions on their faith, then you voted that people don't have the right to make decisions based on their own opinions. If you are a liberal and wanted to vote for a liberal party, would you be angry if someone told you that you couldn't because it is offensive to vote based on your opinions? I believe that you would. The fact that people can, at the same tame, believe atheists have a right to chose based on their convictions and believe that religious people don't have a right to chose based on their convictions sickens me. Really, I always felt that atheists were just as moral as anyone else, now I am not so sure.
Israelite9191
You should be reading
I suppose I should also point out that, as a Jew, I am very opposed to proselytizing. I do not care if they are preaching Judaism, Catholicism, Mormonism, or Hinduism (or anything else for that matter), I find it extremely unnerving to see people pushing their faith on others. It is my personal conviction that all people have the right to choose their own faith and the right not to have others try to choose their faith for them.
No. What is wrong is when said decisions harm others. Bigotry, terrorism, indoctrination to the unwilling, et cetera. Decisions based on beliefs that Affect yourself and those that hold your beliefs is perfectly fine.
Besides, Judaism is a religion that I highly respect because that the belief system transends faith into a secular culture.
Israelite9191
You should be reading
Ah, thankyou. In that case, the poll is very misleading. To those who voted for the said option in the sense that Bill3000 did, my appologies. To those who voted for the option in the sense that I assumed, and the poll suggests, I make the same statement.
To what extent would it be forcing you to live by a certain religious code of conduct? I am curious
I actually know of many great philosophical concepts in the New Testament that could be encorporated in our law, without violating separation of church and state.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
I may not have answered quite the way I meant to.
Laws that ultimately reproduce things that are in the old or new testaments are not, in and of themselves, "bad". Laws that have no reason to be other than ultimately religious ones (looking at all those swearword rules the USA have...), however, are bad.
I'm certainly NOT going to say we shouldn't have a law that state "Don't kill" just because that's one of the commandments. What I will say is that IF we have a law that says "Don't kill", it should be voted in solely based on a logical and scientifical approach what it can contribute to society, without any religious questions involved.
Spurious or weak arguments made to cover the religious underpinnings of a proposed change of law, rules or system count as religious. (Looking at ID, here)
(That's an extreme example, but you get my point)
Laws that ultimately reproduce things that are in the old or new testaments are not, in and of themselves, "bad". Laws that have no reason to be other than ultimately religious ones (looking at all those swearword rules the USA have...), however, are bad.
I'm certainly NOT going to say we shouldn't have a law that state "Don't kill" just because that's one of the commandments. What I will say is that IF we have a law that says "Don't kill", it should be voted in solely based on a logical and scientifical approach what it can contribute to society, without any religious questions involved.
Spurious or weak arguments made to cover the religious underpinnings of a proposed change of law, rules or system count as religious. (Looking at ID, here)
(That's an extreme example, but you get my point)
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Like many things there's two sides to religion. (So I'll name 3)
Things that can annoy me about religion:
- Elitism in religion (most dispicable)
- Abuse of 'the word' to preach hatred and focus on differences
Things that are great about religion:
- One of the best trait in humans, and one that is often found in religious people who aren't a part of the Elitists: Unselfishness (if that's a word)
- It won't last
Nice to have
- Religious structures are usually very beautiful.
- Great stories
- And of course, pages and pages upon pages of meaningless discussions to kill (murder?) the time
Things that can annoy me about religion:
- Elitism in religion (most dispicable)
- Abuse of 'the word' to preach hatred and focus on differences
Things that are great about religion:
- One of the best trait in humans, and one that is often found in religious people who aren't a part of the Elitists: Unselfishness (if that's a word)
- It won't last
Nice to have
- Religious structures are usually very beautiful.
- Great stories
- And of course, pages and pages upon pages of meaningless discussions to kill (murder?) the time
silver 2039
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The above are all deeply offensive and irritiating to me.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
Religion reguarly offends me, for multiple reasons.
Most often because of censcorship, forcing itself others, pushing religion onto youth, generally being insulting to those who don't follow it*, trying to make a country be ruled by religious law and so on.
*I mean, i've seen pleanty of religious speakers in the streets insulting non-belivers.
Most often because of censcorship, forcing itself others, pushing religion onto youth, generally being insulting to those who don't follow it*, trying to make a country be ruled by religious law and so on.
*I mean, i've seen pleanty of religious speakers in the streets insulting non-belivers.
No, I believe that everyone has the right to do whatever they want unless it infringes upon someone else. For all I care you can go to church, pray, worship Yoda, believe in Thor, have abortions, marry someone of the same gender, give money to charity, etc as long as it does not in any way infringe on the rights of another. So giving to charity is a good thing as long as you do it because you want to help people.
For example if you are told by god or decide out of the goodness of your heart you need to help prevent pregnancy in teenagers.
You should simply donate your money to a sex-ed program and let them decide what the best approch to the problem is. As opposed to making sure you donate to an abstinence only, because of your belief. As opposed to letting the group decide what is actualy the more effective method(s).
Do you understand I don't mind you doing something like that, in fact I think it is a wonderfull and righteous thing to do, just as long as you don't attach religous strings to it.
Religion is most offensive when it is used as an excuse for violence.
It's a thorn in my side when it comes to medical treatments (people not getting treatments because the disease is either caused by the devil or can be cured by god).
I get annoyed when political pressure is used to force people to abide by religious morals.
It's a thorn in my side when it comes to medical treatments (people not getting treatments because the disease is either caused by the devil or can be cured by god).
I get annoyed when political pressure is used to force people to abide by religious morals.
Shadylookin
master debater
if i wanted to hear about someone's religion i'd go to their church. They do still have those don't they? Or is my doorstep when i'm asleep the best place to congregate these days?
Just put up a 'no evangelising' sign!
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Couple of things:
Are you offended by someone praying for you, or saying "God bless you"? And if so, why?
As for me being a christian, it bothers me not in the least if people of other religions practice their religion, especially on their tradtional holidays, so I fail to understand why atheists get so bent out of shape when other people express their religious freedom.
Are you offended by someone praying for you, or saying "God bless you"? And if so, why?
As for me being a christian, it bothers me not in the least if people of other religions practice their religion, especially on their tradtional holidays, so I fail to understand why atheists get so bent out of shape when other people express their religious freedom.
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