Foreign submarine in Swedish waters

[Lillefix]

Last time I saw this in Wallander, the sub was American bringing arms to extreme right wing Swedes.
Given the author was Swedish, this should be given lots of credence.

The Scandinavian crime writers are on average far far far to left of the rest of the population(and therefore more America-hating). It's really bizarre.

 

[James Stuart]

That's not how moderation works.

Who died and made you Buddha?

 

[red_elk]

I recall this getting some minor traction in our news service, but a quick Google has availed me of nothing. Wasn't this a case of an American sub operating in the Bering Strait, which is fair enough, since the Strait separates Russia and Alaska, and the Russian media hyped it up due to Obama temporarily tough-talking - before his bi-weekly foreign policy backdown - over the Crimea? Russia also 'accidentally' violated Alaska's airspace at around the same time, just to prove they could, I guess.

May be there was another case in Bering strait too. Don't remember that Russian media hyped it up, these type of news come on quite regular basis and usually placed somewhere between another big car accident and another hurricane starting in Caribbean Sea. Or something like that. They send submarines, we send planes, everybody got used to it long ago. Bombers, BTW, usually don't violate foreign airspace, they just come close enough to alarm "our partners" and to get them scramble interceptors.

I prefer a moderate approach. "Stop Oppressing the the poor evil Russians."

"Or they will kick your righteous ass"

 

[Terxpahseyton]

That's not how moderation works.

Glad that at least the moderators have not yet been charm-conquered by Putin's wits.

 

[James Stuart]

May be there was another case in Bering strait too. Don't remember that Russian media hyped it up, these type of news come on quite regular basis and usually placed somewhere between another big car accident and another hurricane starting in Caribbean Sea. Or something like that. They send submarines, we send planes, everybody got used to it long ago. Bombers, BTW, usually don't violate foreign airspace, they just come close enough to alarm "our partners" and to get them scramble interceptors.


"Or they will kick your righteous ass"

Yes, I gathered this was not exactly an unusual occurrence. I suspect that if Obama weren't attempting to give the illusion of possessing a spine for a few minutes, and our media was not full of hacks, it would not have made the news over here at all.

I looked into the bomber issue, and you're absolutely right. The bombers approached US territorial waters, which prompted the US to scramble interceptors, then the Russians pulled back. What made this different is that your air force apparently decided to give America an abject lesson, and kept it up for 12 hours. Apparently these incidents don't even usually take a single hour. I suspect some Russian general was telling his subordinates "I am probing for weaknesses," or "we are showing them our determination," while in reality he was just giggling to himself at annoying his American counterpart.

 

[red_elk]

Yes, I gathered this was not exactly an unusual occurrence. I suspect that if Obama weren't attempting to give the illusion of possessing a spine for a few minutes, and our media was not full of hacks, it would not have made the news over here at all.

I looked into the bomber issue, and you're absolutely right. The bombers approached US territorial waters, which prompted the US to scramble interceptors, then the Russians pulled back. What made this different is that your air force apparently decided to give America an abject lesson, and kept it up for 12 hours. Apparently these incidents don't even usually take a single hour. I suspect some Russian general was telling his subordinates "I am probing for weaknesses," or "we are showing them our determination," while in reality he was just giggling to himself at annoying his American counterpart.

Yes. I guess there also some sort of radioelectronic warfare exercises or other recon stuff involved in all these raids on both sides. Not just a dick waving. Though I'm not an expert here.

 

[Tahuti]

The Scandinavian crime writers are on average far far far to left of the rest of the population(and therefore more America-hating). It's really bizarre.

Scandinavia Love!
The crime writers here are usually to the far, far left
The state is untouchable like Elliott Ness
The track hits ya eardrum like a slug to ya chest
Where a vest for your Jimmy is funded by tax
We in the polar light states where the welfare hemp be
The states where beer only finds a dance floor empty
And pimps be on a mission for them greens
To get busted by law servin' fiends

 

[luiz]

The Scandinavian crime writers are on average far far far to left of the rest of the population(and therefore more America-hating). It's really bizarre.

I noticed that! I wonder why that is so?

 

[calad]

Russia has lately has alot of military activity near Sweden. One possible reason for this can be to show Finland what will/can happend if they move closer towards NATO. Backround: both Finland and Sweden have moved closer to NATO recently but Finland is much more friendlier towards Russia than Sweden.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Russia has lately has alot of military activity near Sweden. One possible reason for this can be to show Finland what will/can happend if they move closer towards NATO. Backround: both Finland and Sweden have moved closer to NATO recently but Finland is much more friendlier towards Russia than Sweden.

Funny how Russia effectively is pushing us toward joining NATO. Otoh, there's no way that would happen under our current government, so carry on. Should be interesting to see what the green-left will do to appease Putin.

 

[calad]

Funny how Russia effectively is pushing us toward joining NATO. Otoh, there's no way that would happen under our current government, so carry on. Should be interesting to see what the green-left will do to appease Putin.

Well when you have economy based on few resources and punch of weapons your way of influence is quite limited. Honestly Russia is simply isolating itself with expansive nationalism, active military harassing and using gas as a weapon. When you thread your neighbors and be a difficult and unreliable seller you soon wont have any friends nor customers.

 

[Darza]

When you thread your neighbors and be a difficult and unreliable seller you soon wont have any friends nor customers.

Actually there is solution to the given problem. You just create a new neighbors on your own instead, and use them as friends and customers. No matter if they aren't recognized etc, imaginary friends are still better than no friends.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

When you thread your neighbors and be a difficult and unreliable seller you soon wont have any friends nor customers.

Yeah! They will all run off and get their gas somewhere else!

Oh.

Wait.

Hey! They might just stop using your product all together! Then what!?

Oh.

Wait.

 

[calad]

Yeah! They will all run off and get their gas somewhere else!

Oh.

Wait.

Hey! They might just stop using your product all together! Then what!?

Oh.

Wait.

Gas can be easily exported from other nations. US has plenty od shale gas and oil which is main reason for falling prices. Another way to replace gas is electricity which can be easily generated from anything that burns.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Gas can be easily exported from other nations. US has plenty od shale gas and oil which is main reason for falling prices. Another way to replace gas is electricity which can be easily generated from anything that burns.

Yeah! That would no doubt explain the lack of world wide interest in the Middle East.

Oh.

Wait.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Yeah! That would no doubt explain the lack of world wide interest in the Middle East.

Oh.

Wait.

So, you're okay with that anyone with leverage should use it however that power see fit?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So, you're okay with that anyone with leverage should use it however that power see fit?

"Okay with it"?

What exactly does that mean?

Caled complains about Russia using what they have as if they for some reason shouldn't. Meanwhile without a shadow of doubt your own country uses whatever it has. It makes no difference who is 'okay' with what, because that is exactly what each and every country does. The only country that isn't exerting power somehow is the country that has absolutely none...and they aren't because they can't, not because they are righteous.

Edited to reflect that it wasn't Loppan Torkel who was complaining. My apologies.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

"Okay with it"?

What exactly does that mean?

You complain about Russia using what they have as if they for some reason shouldn't. Meanwhile without a shadow of doubt your own country uses whatever it has. It makes no difference who is 'okay' with what, because that is exactly what each and every country does. The only country that isn't exerting power somehow is the country that has absolutely none...and they aren't because they can't, not because they are righteous.

I don't think I've complained so far. Just pointed fingers and asked for comments. I take your answer as if you're 'okay' with 'it' - no moral quandaries. If there's power to gain - bomb away!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I don't think I've complained so far. Just pointed fingers and asked for comments. I take your answer as if you're 'okay' with 'it' - no moral quandaries. If there's power to gain - bomb away!

I don't even think about whether I'm 'okay' with it. It just is. The US has the power of violence, and uses it. Other countries have monopolies or near monopolies on critical resources, they use them. Other countries don't have anything in particular, and whine a lot. Unless you find a country that isn't populated with humans that's the way it is going to stay.

 

[timtofly]

You guys call yourselves CFC'ers and fail to realize that the sub does not have the experience to heal in open waters and is using a friendly territory to heal in?