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Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by 2K Greg, Dec 10, 2010.

  1. lockstep

    lockstep Prince

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    Research overflow! Finally!
     
  2. Celevin

    Celevin King

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    I speculated this at some point, but dropped it because it was just speculation at the time. It doesn't solve the problem to me. I still can't drop in empire size without being severely punished. All it does is stop a single exploit, and causes a variety of other problems in doing so.

    EDIT: I don't mean to direct this anger at you whether or not you agree with the exploit fix, I just think there was probably a better way to do it. It could be the suggestions offered by this forum just weren't something the devs were looking for, or maybe they didn't notice, or maybe they'd just rather go with what they came up with.
     
  3. firecat318

    firecat318 Warlord

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    Why would you want to drop in empire size? The main goal of the game (if you're playing domination) is to capture as many cities as you can and eliminate the other civs... if you're losing cities you're not in good shape.
     
  4. Valkrionn

    Valkrionn The Hamster King

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    Don't worry about it, I'm far from upset. :goodjob:

    Honestly though, I don't really see a problem. Why would you want to drop in empire size?

    Keep in mind, I typically go with the "mushroom" build; Small-mid size empire that balloons in late game.

    Actually, if you dont' mind, just pm your reasons to me to keep the thread from derailing. I will more than likely pass concerns on to the devs. I do so often. :goodjob:
     
  5. RadioLemon

    RadioLemon Chieftain

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    Yay updates! This is going to be the best one yet! :goodjob:
     
  6. bryanw1995

    bryanw1995 Emperor

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    oops, sorry forgot that you nerfed them too!

    yes, that would be crazy if wat is 2 scientists and unis only one, surely they are both 2 now. somebody(s) really hate ics obviously...
     
  7. No_such_reality

    No_such_reality Chieftain

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    Isn't this really going to make ICS more powerful?

    Happiness limited to buildings, but will it counter act unhappiness due to number of cities? i.e. if I have a pop 2 city and a coliseum, will it neutral out or will the coliseum only generate 2 happiness? What if I'm a pop 4 city and I build a circus (free maintenance) and a coliseum, am I neutral or only getting a total of 4 happiness again ignoring city unhappiness?

    Nerfing libraries that's good but really buffing public schools. If they don't crank the research counts way up, techs will go even faster. On a recent Prince level huge game, Augustus hit the modern era mid-1800s. Give him public schools and he should go even faster. That's on Prince vanilla.

    Regarding the save fix, hurray!
     
  8. bryanw1995

    bryanw1995 Emperor

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    I'm assuming that the "dark age" is hit upon -500 happiness etc, correct? aren't we already getting a lot of that at -10 anyway? I suppose it would be good if nothing else to keep track of the anti-happiness, keeping you out of GA's as often in the mid/late game though...

    wow, that won't be nearly as bad for rex at least, you just have to dealy it a bit more to ensure than happiness is under control. I still think that the library nerf + limited fp benefit is very damaging to the ics strategy however. plus, the public schools buff is more effective for larger cities, making smaller empires with larger cities much more useful. certainly ics has become more situational at least now, probably with a bias against it.
     
  9. Celevin

    Celevin King

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    I'd want to drop in size if I couldn't afford the happiness or culture infrastructure right away. Secondly, what if I take it and annex it, then it's taken back from me, and I can't re-take it? I'm suffering because of an exploit I had no intentions of doing exists in the game as a way to win by culture victories quickly?


    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=401461
    This thread details it nicely. I could try and sum up the concern, but the other posters added so much more that anything I say wouldn't be as good as just the discussion itself. I wish me or someone else brought it up sooner.

    TLDR for the thread: "Policy overflow" is as big of a problem as "Research Overflow" is, and stopping the problem fixes the city selling exploit along with other stuff all at once. Basically, the "selling cities exploit" is only the positive way to abuse policy overflow. It's also negatively affecting people constantly.
     
  10. Valkrionn

    Valkrionn The Hamster King

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    Well, it's counter-based just as Golden Ages are. Meaning the longer you are in unhappiness, the closer you get; It's just that 15 unhappiness gets closer much faster than one unhappiness.

    Currently the first DA is at 500, then the threshold progressively decreases (opposite the Golden Age, so DA's become progressively easier to reach), and the effect is 10 turns of Anarchy. Nice and simple, and something that should be avoided. ;)


    I'll take a look through that, thanks. ;)
     
  11. MouseyPounds

    MouseyPounds Prince

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    So the cap is on each individual building rather than the buildings in that city as a group? I.e, if that same pop 2 city has both a coliseum and a circus, do each of those give +2 happy (for a total of +4 happy from buildings in that city) or is it essentially +2 from the coliseum and nothing from the circus?
     
  12. cman2010

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    Most of this stuff looks good and looks like it will totaly change the game. However I think the library should have at least one specialist slot, and the maritime civs should not be nerfed so badly.
     
  13. No_such_reality

    No_such_reality Chieftain

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    Rome and Byzantine...

    Europe shedding it's colonies...
     
  14. Celevin

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    In addition to other reasons like culture victories, or not enough gold to afford new culture/happiness buildings, that this game is already anti-comeback enough. I'm fearing an RPG feel where you always gain gain and gain again, without any feeling of one step back, two steps forward.
     
  15. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    It didn't quite work out so great for either of them.

    But I do agree that, if you lose a lot of cities, having higher SP costs hurt you. I still argue if you want to roleplay as liberator, just puppet the cities instead of annex them before gifting them away (although they should really allow you to liberate any city from a rival civ that's been taken in exchange for a relations boost rather than force you to take it and then give it away).

    EDIT: You can sell buildings, you know.
     
  16. Marshall Thomas

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    I was hoping that steamrolling, blobing AIs get rebels when they conquer too many other AI cities; but they'd have to have -20 unhappiness. Does this ever happen?

    Thanks in advance
     
  17. Valkrionn

    Valkrionn The Hamster King

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    I like the liberate action...
     
  18. Orion66

    Orion66 Master of Orion

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    "Update to tactical AI pillaging code - now prioritize enemy land resources and trade routes (never regular mines or farms). Always uses the check to make sure AI is not trying to pillage in an enemy dominance zone. Barbarians will still target everything."

    Can you explain this to me? It means that AI will NOT pillage my farms or mines? Why? Destroying enemy infrastructure is the best thing t do. Pillaging farms makes my cities starve. Pillaging mines criples economy/production ability.
    So I ask. WTF ???? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
  19. bryanw1995

    bryanw1995 Emperor

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    wow, that's awesome!! 10 turns dark age...you could do that just to make things harder on yourself if the late game was going too well...
     
  20. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    Cool. It does seem simple, but maybe deceptively so (obviously make sure they don't copy the code that gives you their UN vote, of course ;) ). I think that's a good compromise so they don't hurt the roleplayers because the best strategy players break their toys ;)
     

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