Future of Sweden...

[Inhalaattori]

... is gloomy. At least based on these writers.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938
http://www.thelocal.se/2683/20051214/

How swedes in Civfanatics see the future of their country?

 

[Truronian]

Immigrants are supposed to be destroying our country aswell. Either they're not very good or The Daily Mail has been stretching the truth somewhat...

 

[Berrie]

I'm not gonna comment on the survey (because it's in Swedish), but The Brussels Journal is a very right wing website and I would advice you to take everything they write with a grain of salt.

 

[Inhalaattori]

It seems that Fox news has been in Malmö too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QLomLsArm4

 

[Yoda Power]

I'm sure Sweden will be just alright. There will always be people around to make the future look more scary than it really is.

 

[Yoda Power]

This is a reply to the youtube video that shows Malmo as a hellhole of immigrant crime.

Here are two pictures, both from wikipedia. The first one shows the muder-rate. The second shows the immigration as % of population. Notice how Sweden is low on the first and high on the second, and how there seems to be no parallel between the two maps.

Spoiler :

 

[Grisu]

as for the quadrupled rape rate, wasn't there a thread around here recently where it was explained that sweden changed the laws that stuff that previously wasn't considered rape is now regarded as just that?

anyway, voices like this probably exist in every country. we have very similar people here (and we have more muslims than sweden, both absolute and per capita), claiming that the immigrants bring crime, etc....ironically a recent study in switzerland has shown that foreigners don't have a significantly higher crime rate....

I also find it funny that the writer highlights the 'muslim' part whenever possible, despite that it was apparently not included in the original report....

 

[GinandTonic]

Here are two pictures, both from wikipedia. The first one shows the muder-rate. The second shows the immigration as % of population. Notice how Sweden is low on the first and high on the second, and how there seems to be no parallel between the two maps.

Spoiler :

Is it just me or does that map seem to show a negative corrilation, or at best no corrilation at all?

 

[Winner]

If the statistics he used in his article are right, Sweden has a big, big problem.

I can only hope that Western Europe comes to its senses before it will be too late to deal with this grave danger.

 

[Winner]

I also find it funny that the writer highlights the 'muslim' part whenever possible, despite that it was apparently not included in the original report....

If a majority of the immigrants he's talking about come from muslim countries, it is rather logical to assume they're Muslims.

 

[Yoda Power]

Is it just me or does that map seem to show a negative corrilation, or at best no corrilation at all?

That's my whole point.

 

[Inhalaattori]

That's my whole point.

For example in Sweden, there are some immigrant groups that are not making more crimes. There are almost 200,000 first-generation finnish immigrants, and about 250,000 second-generation finnish immigrants. That is the reason why some statistics dont really tell much.

There is difference between "immigrants" and "immigrants". There are immigrants from Finland, Norway etc. and then there are immigrants from Iran, Iraq, Somalia etc. There is big difference between these two groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Finns

 

[Berrie]

There is also a big differance in the social position of Finnish immigrants and the immigrants of the countries you named. 1+1 doesn't always add up to 2. There are other possible explenations...

 

[Winner]

There is difference between "immigrants" and "immigrants". There are immigrants from Finland, Norway etc. and then there are immigrants from Iran, Iraq, Somalia etc. There is big difference between these two groups.

Exactly.

It's common among the multi-culturalist zealots that they tend to ignore the fact that immigrants come from very different countries.

They simply want to hide the fact that people from Muslim countries integrate badly or not at all and that they tend to cause much more trouble then people from other, non-Muslim countries.

It's not immigration itself what is problematic, it is more about what kind of people immigrate.

 

[Winner]

There is also a big differance in the social position of Finnish immigrants and the immigrants of the countries you named. 1+1 doesn't always add up to 2. There are other possible explenations...

Yeah, blame the intolerant Western society which doesn't provide the poor Muslims with a life in luxury. Curse it for its racist suggestion that people have to work in order to live in comfort

 

[Atticus]

How do you know, Inhalaattori? Maybe all the statistics about immigrants doing crimes there are about Finns? Well, so much for hyperboles, but there's something seriously wrong if the writers always assume that immigrant means muslims. If I correctly know, there has been some 20 years ago a tabloid panic in Sweden about Finnish immigrants killing people, the frase "En Finne igen" ("Finn again") comes from that era.

There surely are some probelms in sweden with immigrants, but the articles seem to exaggerate them (the first one is pure demagogy). I'm quite sure that as reasonable Swedes are, they can handle most of those problems.

 

[Grisu]

Exactly.

It's common among the multi-culturalist zealots that they tend to ignore the fact that immigrants come from very different countries.

They simply want to hide the fact that people from Muslim countries integrate badly or not at all and that they tend to cause much more trouble then people from other, non-Muslim countries.

It's not immigration itself what is problematic, it is more about what kind of people immigrate.

ok, then let's look at the muslim population, shall we? Funnily enought, in europe there seems to be absolutely no correllation between the % of Muslims in a country and the crime rate. Strange isn't it?

 

[Yoda Power]

Exactly.

It's common among the multi-culturalist zealots that they tend to ignore the fact that immigrants come from very different countries.

They simply want to hide the fact that people from Muslim countries integrate badly or not at all and that they tend to cause much more trouble then people from other, non-Muslim countries.

It's not immigration itself what is problematic, it is more about what kind of people immigrate.

You are making assumptions. I never stated that muslims don't have problems in integrating, I'm just showing that the video that was posted shows a very corrupted image of reality.

 

[Winner]

ok, then let's look at the muslim population, shall we? Funnily enought, in europe there seems to be absolutely no correllation between the % of Muslims in a country and the crime rate. Strange isn't it?

That is totally irrelevant. We don't have any exact numbers, and guess why - because the oh-so-liberal multi-culturalists consider making religion- or ethnic-specific statistics racist, politically incorrect and that's why they're not made at all. Together with different laws in European countries and different definitions of the term "immigrant", it excludes the possibility of having a relevant statistic about Muslims and crime.

That's why we need to search for an experience of individuals, which is often very negative.

 

[ArneHD]

That is totally irrelevant. We don't have any exact numbers, and guess why - because the oh-so-liberal multi-culturalists consider making religion- or ethnic-specific statistics racist, politically incorrect and that's why they're not made at all.

As far as I know that only occured in France. The majority of West-European nations include religion in their cencus, again as far as I know