[GS] Future Update?

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Xandinho said:
And it was precisely at Beyond the Sword that they added corporations, are they thinking of creating a kind of nostalgic expansion? :think:
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That would explain Kevin's BTS/K-pop tweet.
 
oakdragon said:
That would explain Kevin's BTS/K-pop tweet.
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He was tweeting earlier about how amused he is by this line of conspiracy theory.
 
SammyKhalifa said:
I hope it stays mostly for the mod world. It costs them almost as may resources to make an alt leader as it does to make an entirely new civ. Give me more civs instead.
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Is this true? How can that be? A new Civ would imply at least a new leader. They wouldn't be releasing leaderless Civs. Then there's the matter of overlap. Some overlap between leaders is forgivable, whereas one expects Civs to be fairly unique. Which means that the amount of Civs are always constrained by existing mechanics. Then there's the whole matter of research. You can't misrepresent a Civilization. Not in 2019. And you also need to create music themes.

Game mechanics have a tipping point. Add too much and it removes from the experience, rather than improve on it. Civ 6 has space for one more expansion. So 8 new Civs. A fourth expansion sounds like a stretch.

Then there's the matter of the target market. If you're trying to sell DLC at such a late stage, am I presuming incorrectly that Lincoln or Churchill would sell better than a Inuit Civ? Especially now that the game is on all platforms? (even if I'd much rather have the latter).

The design space for leaders isn't limitless, but it's wider than that for Civs. Keep in mind that any DLC Civs would not be able to take advantage of any of the mechanics from any of the expansions. It's got to be Vanilla so that everybody can access the DLC.

Possible Scenarios and Leaders using Vanilla Civs and mechanics include:

Enlightened Absolutism: Frederick the Great and Catherine the Great.
Culture Scenario.

Invasion of Normandy / Liberation of Paris: Franklin Roosevelt, Churchill, De Gaulle.
Domination Scenario.

East Asian Modernisation: Empress Dowager Cixi and Emperor Meiji.
Industry and Science Scenario.

Anglo-Spanish War: Elizabeth and Philip II.
Religion and Domination Scenario.

American Civil War: Lincoln.

Russian Campaign: Napoleon.

All of these could probably sell fairly well to old fans (returning leaders) and new players (recognisable leader names) without requiring the amount of research and production of a completely new Civ.
 
AntSou said:
Is this true? How can that be? A new Civ would imply at least a new leader. They wouldn't be releasing leaderless Civs. Then there's the matter of overlap. Some overlap between leaders is forgivable, whereas one expects Civs to be fairly unique. Which means that the amount of Civs are always constrained by existing mechanics. Then there's the whole matter of research. You can't misrepresent a Civilization. Not in 2019. And you also need to create music themes.
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I think the rationale is that making a new leader requires lots of work for the art team - they have to design, create and animate a fully-fleshed 3D leaderhead, to say nothing of having to hire translators to produce text in the appropriate language and voice actors. If you are going to all that trouble, you might as well create a new Civ with a new leader than just a new leader for an existing one.
 
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Kimiimaro said:
Could we also have the one who actually won the Campaign, Tsar Alexander I? :p
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Of course not. The point of the Scenario is to attempt to reach Moscow while suffering heavy attrition along the way. You're not supposed to actually win the game, just feel incredibly frustrated at the sight of your rapidly dwindling forces. :p

Edit: Also, if you do reach Moscow, it automatically gets razed.

blackcatatonic said:
I think the rationale is that making a new leader requires lots of work for the art team - they have to design, create and animate a fully-fleshed 3D leaderhead, to say nothing of having to hire translators to produce text in the appropriate language and voice actors. If you are going to all that trouble, you might as well create a new Civ with a new leader than just a new leader for an existing one.
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Yes, but that logic is reversed. Exactly because it might be a pain to get translators and voice actors for some cultures, Alt Leaders for America/France/China/Russia would probably be a much more straightforward affair.
 
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AntSou said:
Is this true? How can that be? A new Civ would imply at least a new leader. They wouldn't be releasing leaderless Civs. Then there's the matter of overlap. Some overlap between leaders is forgivable, whereas one expects Civs to be fairly unique. Which means that the amount of Civs are always constrained by existing mechanics. Then there's the whole matter of research. You can't misrepresent a Civilization. Not in 2019. And you also need to create music themes.

Game mechanics have a tipping point. Add too much and it removes from the experience, rather than improve on it. Civ 6 has space for one more expansion. So 8 new Civs. A fourth expansion sounds like a stretch.

Then there's the matter of the target market. If you're trying to sell DLC at such a late stage, am I presuming incorrectly that Lincoln or Churchill would sell better than a Inuit Civ? Especially now that the game is on all platforms? (even if I'd much rather have the latter).

The design space for leaders isn't limitless, but it's wider than that for Civs. Keep in mind that any DLC Civs would not be able to take advantage of any of the mechanics from any of the expansions. It's got to be Vanilla so that everybody can access the DLC.

All of these could probably sell fairly well to old fans (returning leaders) and new players (recognisable leader names) without requiring the amount of research and production of a completely new Civ.
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It's almost assuredly true. As @blackcatatonic suggested, leaders are probably the most expensive and work-intensive of all assets the team has to make: modeling, body animation, and voice acting aren't cheap or easy. And with respect to your previous post, it doesn't really matter what language it is - voice actors are unionized and Firaxis likley pays them the same rate no matter what language it is (the exception being high-profile celebs like Sean Bean who no doubt carry a much higher pricetag). By the time they've gotten all that done, the work to just flesh out the rest of an entire civ is ostensibly comparatively little. The value proposition for alternate leaders is just poor for Firaxis because they aren't as interesting or exciting as a completely new civ.

I personally don't want to see many more. I don't care for them. I'm happy it's a mechanic and I'm happy the game has a few - introducing 1 or 2 with each new expansion has been enough for me. The team has previously implied alt leaders were more for modders anyway, and modders have definitely made great use of the mechanic thus far and will continue to do so.

I also don't care about scenarios. I didn't mind that R&F had no scenarios and I'd rather the team be able to devote time to polishing the existing game or adding fun and new mechanics or civs than retreading old territory with alt leaders and scenarios.

All that said - I'll buy whatever content Firaxis sells for Civ VI because I love the game and want to support it and I appreciate any and all new content.
 
pokiehl said:
The team has previously implied alt leaders were more for modders anyway, and modders have definitely made great use of the mechanic thus far and will continue to do so.
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This is good. It reassures me they'll be releasing the code as soon as they are done with adding new mechanics, and they haven't yet because they're still working on something. I hope.
 
AntSou said:
Yet he made no such tweet regarding the Notre Dame theories on which we spent considerably more time and effort. Hmm...:think:

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Hmmmmmmmm... :think:
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It's remarkably similar to the same time Sarah said not everything she tweeted was a hint and her recent tweets were still hints :P
 
leandrombraz said:
Devs lurking in the thread: Confirmed.


So, how do we bait lurking devs into posting something they shouldn't? :satan:
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Shall we dare them to tweet a close-up photo of their Christmas tree in the office? Possibly centered or not so much centered on some Christmas tree ball which happens to be exceptionally reflective, like a curved little mirror? :think:
 
FXS_MisterKevin said:
I know I don't like to post in these kinds of conversations because it taints the purity of the speculation :mischief:
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Like a scientist doing an experiment with scientific controls?
 
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