Because they want more of my money for Civ VII, X-Com 3, etc. That's how businesses work.
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Because they want more of my money for Civ VII, X-Com 3, etc. That's how businesses work.
"We're not done!" could easily have meant that next year (from the post in 2019) would be the announcement of Civ7. After all, the CIVILIZATION TEAM isn't done.
We've beaten this topic to death for over 150 pages and we have no information other than "there are 10 (possible) achievements that have no information".
We've beaten this topic to death for over 150 pages and we have no information other than "there are 10 (possible) achievements that have no information".
A fantasy scenario for the multi-player community who may comprise 10% of the player base (most games its about 5%) and no fix for known multi-player bugs =great support? No word then or since if they are still even supporting VI does not equal poor support? Paradox has its own flaws but at least they keep their fan base informed on what they are doing.
I am not talking about the Internet, I am talking about the corporation known as 2K and its total lack of keeping their customer base informed so people can make a choice as to save their funds for upcoming Civ VI content or purchase something else. Unlike myself most people have to budget their funds so they can take care of minor things like rent/house payments, food for themselves and their families, and such other unimportant considerations.
Question for you.
If 2K/Firaxis leaves CivVi in its current buggy and incomplete state (World Builder I'm looking at you) will you buy CivVII ?
SammyKhalifa
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Current the previous civs (and most games) still are as well, I'm guessing yes.
Then friend Caveat emptor.
Myself I am not so sure I could justify wasting funds on yet a fifth Civ game that will be left unfinished when they move on to the next.
FYI I have purchased all 6 Civ titles Two, which I can no longer play (thanks Windows 10), being the only one abandoned without major bugs.
I find your question to be flawed. Since I play exclusively single-player, I'm not impacted by the pantheon selection bug. While the game has a few other, minor bugs, there aren't any major game breakers for me. I quite enjoy the game as is. So, yes, I'd buy Civ VII.
But, I'm not everyone. Since Firaxis is a business, they would like to keep all of their customers happy so that we all buy the next game and convince our friends to buy the next game, too. So, the answer to your original question is "Because they want more of my money." I'm not sure why you're confused about this.
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"We're Playing a BETA!" is just so tired. I wonder if people have played an ACTUAL super-bugged game, or where all of these acceptable perfectly-performing ones are hiding. Some features don't work, ok.
What is unfinished? Pantheon bug was found after the last patch.
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civ 6 is playable but no real challenge. You will notice testing the game without AI bonusses. (6000+ Hours civ veteran here since the second civ). Many systems are still half baked. Yes content is still missing what we expected to be in the game. But firaxis should be improving the game instead of adding an allready content heavy packed game with more content. There are so many things about civ 6 that do not feel right if you look what the rest of the world is doing beyond your empire. I am not even talking about abusing the game and playing against the AI weaknesses. AI cant handle naval warfare. Does not seem to improve their tiles for hundreds of turns or bothers to build a military. Just to name a few obvious ones. Apart from some serious balance issues still.
I believe you may be confused about my point. I will try to make it clearer.
The Civilization Franchise has gone downhill since 2K has taken over, an AI that even I can beat on Deity, no modding tools for those of us who are not a "Computer Geek", and not even a simple statement that they are working on patches.
To amplify these last three.
I can not because it causes Migraines think more than one or two turns ahead. therefore Two And Three used to hand me my head at level higher than the first or second. Six on the other hand is easy.
I am a retired truck driver who went to school when typing was required only if you were going to work in an office. As I hated being inside office work was not an option. This leads to the fact that I never learned Computer Programing so trying to "mod" in LUA is way above my pay grade. If the current versions had the mod programs Two and Three had and if the World Builder was complete then I would not be including this complaint.
2K/Firaxis could simply state " We are working on (patch, expansion, DLC ), unfortunately we are having problems with getting (X) to work.
I was a CIV Fanboi. Currently though I becoming more pessimistic that Six has been abandoned.
If this be the case why should I or anyone continue to support a company which appears to not care about the quality of their games?
Kwami I do respect your faith in Firaxis. However for me to place the same faith in them feeling the way I do would not be prudent on my part.
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He has repeatedly written or asked for saved games in the Bug Report forum ...
What does it tell you, that his last post on CivFanatics till now was on the day of the last Patch? And his last login here was on the day before Knecht Ruprecht, the punishing companion of Saint Nicholas ...
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Disgustipated
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I was going to mention this as well. It's a pretty serious bug, at least for multiplayer which still seems to be a focus for them.
Only if you haven't been paying attention to their business strategy. They are obviously looking to expand their business, hence the expansion to other platforms. And Multiplayer that I mentioned above seems to be important to them as seen in the Red Death scenario/patch, play by cloud patch, etc. You assume their business with Civ6 is concluded, and there is no evidence to this. Regardless, they want to retain customers for Civ7 if they do move on.
Their business strategy of moving their games to other platforms is IMHO the reason for the poor AI.
To clarify the AI needs memory to calculate its moves the more memory the more competitive the AI. Your typical new iPhone has 3GB of Ram and 64GB of memory in the i8plus (it can be upgraded to 256 GB).
Compare that to 8GB of RAM and a TB of memory in a laptop with similar cost ($650 for the 64GB $850 for 256)
So 2Ks decision to move to other platforms has Gelded the Civ VI AI and could possibly be the reason for the "Cartoonish" graphics.
I have loved this franchise for almost 25 years and am sad to see it slip into Dementia.
But, see, that wasn't your point. Those are all new points. I, frankly, don't care what you like or don't like about the game. But, Firaxis wants your money, so they do care. You asked a simple question and I provided a simple answer. Your specific complaints about the game aren't relevant to that initial question and answer.
Kwami my fight is not with you. Sure wish I had gone to university instead of the Army so I could have learned to make my statements more clear to people.
I will restate.
Why would 2K wish to fix the problems with 6 when they already have your money and know they will have your money when they release 7 as you (like I did with4,5,& 6) will blindly spend money on it expecting a well built and play tested game, which history shows has not been the case on release with at least the last 3 versions of the franchise?
They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. I was guilty of this for a long time. I got help I hope that many of my fellow Civ Fanbois do the same.
Now I might still buy 7 but only if I am a play tester or they put out a minimum 100 hour, fully functional demo so I can see if its worth my time and money.
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As a software engineer I can garauntee you that the above is incorrect. Not trying to be rude.
Edit: I should have been more specific. The CPU and memory usage of a simple 'AI' is trivial compared to the rest of the game. Thus, if your device can run the rest of the game, the AI of civ will not be an issue.
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Guys, for me this is the reality check: The AI has never been a major focus for Firaxis. The issue isn't strictly about movement to non-PC platforms. It's about the franchise having broad, mainstream appeal, and most casual players being adequately challenged just playing a game on Prince difficulty. As a franchise, Civ sells well and receives critical praise. They have no metric by which they can determine they have steered the franchise in the wrong direction. Hardcore fans griping on this forum doesn't move the needle against all their other positive indicators, especially when there are also hardcore fans here who express satisfaction.
I don't know that the AI for Civ ever was brilliant. It was, for a long time, a game where civilizations did little but build up their stacks until they reached some threshold where they attack their neighbors, smashing stacks into stacks until they could walk into a city and claim it as theirs and make it start building more stacks for them. That sort of "Roman Virus" loop is really the baseline AI behavior for most 4X games (that's what the four X's amount to, after all).
As to accusing a business of being greedy, that's one of those statements so fundamentally callow that they can only serve to harm one's credibility once espoused. I don't know if this video game franchise has ever been someone's art project born of bohemian passion, or should be expected to act as such, but I think it's more credible to assert that Civ development has reached a point of complacency. They're resting on their laurels because they don't have anything at stake. We need more historical 4X competition and fewer MOO emulators.
I don't know that the AI for Civ ever was brilliant. It was, for a long time, a game where civilizations did little but build up their stacks until they reached some threshold where they attack their neighbors, smashing stacks into stacks until they could walk into a city and claim it as theirs and make it start building more stacks for them. That sort of "Roman Virus" loop is really the baseline AI behavior for most 4X games (that's what the four X's amount to, after all).
As to accusing a business of being greedy, that's one of those statements so fundamentally callow that they can only serve to harm one's credibility once espoused. I don't know if this video game franchise has ever been someone's art project born of bohemian passion, or should be expected to act as such, but I think it's more credible to assert that Civ development has reached a point of complacency. They're resting on their laurels because they don't have anything at stake. We need more historical 4X competition and fewer MOO emulators.
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Eh, I'm not sure I'd say that: history has plenty of game series that lost their luster due to bad eggs in the series (RIP Maxis, HoMM 7 sales, etc). Civ's ability to keep expanding it's market across 6 iterations and 25+ years is pretty impressive. I don't think anyone wants to be the one who ends that.
And more immediately: they are one of the flagship series of a publisher (Take-Two) whose earnings are down, who have publicly called for a focus on microtransations, and whose founder of their biggest income series just left (possible out of opposition to said microtransactions focus?). God knows, one bomb and the edict of Civ:Microtransactions, pay $2.50 to rush this wonder, might come down the pipelines.
Ondolindë
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I really admire you haven’t lost faith already. I seriously consider almost 5 months of silence extremely and unquestionably disrespectful to all of us regardless of however many times they have done it in the past and that it worked for them; of course, people kept coming back. Also, I find it incomprehensible that their partner, Aspyr, hasn’t acknowledged and gone out of their way to fix an issue that is impacting many players on MacOS. Not one response in the Aspyr thread over on Steam nor here in almost 5 months? Nor real support help on their website? What is one post saying, Hey, we hear you! We’re working on it. And then fix it! When Firaxis says we are the best fans in gaming, by best I truly wonder what they mean. Patient? Understanding? Loyal to the point of being ridiculous? Gullible? Suckers? I wonder sometimes. I’ve worked in many industries and having people wait doesn’t bode well in all of them, unless you condition them to it and they let themselves be conditioned and consider it normal. So, I lost my faith and my loyalty has been affected which funny enough, considering how this is inconsequential in the big scheme of things and life and the world nowadays especially, it still saddens me because, well, most people here will understand why in their own way; the game represents something more than just a way of killing time. I hope Firaxis understands that and it’s not all business. Ever the idealist here!
Interesting enough, out of curiosity and influenced by a thread here that started discussing people’s alternatives to Civ VI, I ventured into Paradox with EU4. I am grateful now for the delay because it surely woke me up personally to other gaming experiences and how you can be treated better there. I was truly a one game man. Anyway, EU4 and Paradox can be many things good and bad, or so I have heard; it’s all new to me still, but I am enjoying it after feeling a bit guilty, I’ll confess. I had read people’s opinions here from time to time, their pros and cons of the game and of Paradox itself, but, Oh my! just by simple comparison in this one thing, and what is truly now a welcomed notion and is selling me the idea of cautiously supporting that franchise is their weekly updates, how they are done, the more open culture it represents and the feelings they evoke in me. It blew my mind away being able to receive weekly feedback, discussion, interaction and passionate commentary with developers; well, I mostly read trying to understand the game still, but it’s exciting and rich. Now, Firaxis does indeed lurk in the shadows here and we get a real kick out of it; it feeds speculation which is loved by so many, including me, and we’re so grateful for the meager droplets of charitable communication given. But who really reaps all the benefits by what it’s discussed here without truly becoming vulnerable, risking much contact with us and giving something meaningful back? Well, to me what EU4 is doing just makes a huge difference now and I understand why many of you had mentioned the same here. It shows a level of consideration, respect and empathy for the fan and interested gamer who is giving their most precious of possessions, time, to play a game. I personally don’t have much time to play games, but I have given some of that precious time In my life and purposely chosen Civ as my go-to game, having been really loyal in my quiet way because I have loved the game experience with a lot of added personal meaning. So, Firaxis, it isn’t funny anymore.
I agree. One is more willing to deal with “bugginess” when one is treated respectfully and they truly intend do something about it. Right now, I have very little desire for an expansion or whatever they have in store and it’s sad. I just feel they’re not on the side of those who make the company what it is, but all of it seems to be absolutely about working on their purely financial interest, following an outdated form of doing things that fits the personality of people in charge; a common mistake in organizations. Yes, I know they’re a business and not charity, but haven’t we learned enough of what businesses are capable of when there’s no real heart or understanding? As an example, Aspyr delayed work on R&F just so they could sell the game on IOS as a novelty during the holidays that year. Recently, worked on other platforms and did not work on the current issues that don’t allow many MacOS players play. What I gather is: They have their money already. They can make them wait and 2K/ Firaxis proud to have that added income, exposure, market, etc., understandable, business wise. But it’s not right and it’s ugly, cheap even.
I study, help and work with organizations and your notion that companies want to make customers happy is flawed, especially when you say all. That would cost too much. Most businesses will make the customer happy as long as it doesn’t affect their bottom line and interests. You’re right they want and need more of your money, but they will try to give you the least amount of quality in the product for that amount of money. Plus, they will study the client base and the market and cater to the least common denominator which in this case is the gamer who doesn’t know as much of the game as people here do and to whom the details and quality don’t matter because they don’t understand the difference, buy on impulse and might have been conditioned to it. What a company fears most is a knowledgeable, intelligent, kind hearted, informed and a demanding client base who doesn’t conform. I’ve been in so many meetings with potential clients where they wanted my profession and others used to make them rich first and foremost, despite people’s interests, as long as it was legal. Funny enough, the legal department also becomes involved when they encounter the feared client based demanding their rights. Now, Firaxis isn’t the monster I have seen professionally, but it never ceases to surprise me how companies keep doing the same old things to their detriment. Humankind might and should be a wake up call for 2K regardless if they are successful or not. Being comfortable up top has never been good to any company. Change, however uncomfortable, is good. And who knows, maybe they have paused to do just that.
Having said that, I do believe people and organizations can learn and change, so I’ll throw that out there more explicitly. And if I’m wrong, too bad there isn’t two-way communication for that reason as well.
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