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[WastinTime]

Wall-OF is fixed and it was a method for PRO-leaders.

elaborate pls.

 

[ZPV]

Wall-OF is fixed and it was a method for PRO-leaders.

Sad but true
Doesn't work any more. I'll go back and edit my other post...
The building stays prebuilt but hidden.

 

[Pangaea]

Wall-OF is fixed and it was a method for PRO-leaders.

It's impossible to keep 100% all the time this game, but with your empire building Wealth, it should actually be np. Don't you have Mining?

No, don't have Mining yet (so building Wealth does very little, only 466 from 37 cities), so it's the bridge between Sushi and Mining that is more challenging than I thought it would be. I'm a virgin at this malarky

Hmm, so you mean that massive whipping of Walls with Stone, won't result in heaps of gold when you get Rifling?

edit: I see ZPV have posted too. Unfortunate. Then again, maybe these other things should have been 'fixed' too. Though it is certainly nice to have ways to get gold when one desperately needs it.

 

[Seraiel]

elaborate pls.

You don't know the "whip Walls and chop into it like mad" trick everybody abused in earlier patches? Afaik, one got but with PRO modifiers so at least 2 / 1 .

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Just see that post from ZPV for the first time, that doesn't work, yes. When something obsoletes and it isn't in the queue, all are lost forever. Learned that when I took a Knight out of the queue on the turn I got Cavalries, no way to get him back, no Failgold next turn.

 

[Seraiel]

No, don't have Mining yet (so building Wealth does very little, only 466 from 37 cities), so it's the bridge between Sushi and Mining that is more challenging than I thought it would be. I'm a virgin at this malarky

Hmm, so you mean that massive whipping of Walls with Stone, won't result in heaps of gold when you get Rifling?

edit: I see ZPV have posted too. Unfortunate. Then again, maybe these other things should have been 'fixed' too. Though it is certainly nice to have ways to get gold when one desperately needs it.

If you got Sushi but no Mining, you probably need to hire Specialists to get there asap.

 

[Pangaea]

If you got Sushi but no Mining, you probably need to hire Specialists to get there asap.

Aye, but that's another conundrum, because I'm in slavery so can't hire tons of specialists. Think I'll just whip a pile of executives and make sure only 4 are in queue / map, and go back to caste. Spreading will be slower, and they will need to travel farther, but it's probably better than staying in slavery so long. Then launch the 3GP GA (Gspy, GM, GS) and hope I get enough GPs for a 4GP later, which shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Not been able to play at all today in fairness as I've been busy. Tomorrow, or at least the day after, I'm leaving for a week. When I come back there will only be about a week left until deadline, so not sure I have enough time to finish then. The end game is really time consuming, and I'm just in the beginning phase of the "1 hour per turn" period.

Added: Although gold is already in terribly short supply, think I'm going to have to bite the bullet, turn off research for a little while, and have a 5T period of Universal Suffrage so I can buy Wall Street. Without slavery and the ability to OF into it, finishing it will take aaaaaaaaaaaages. It will cost about 6000 but I'll make that back in 30 turns, and probably less when Sushi spreads more.

Spoiler :

 

[Seraiel]

You should read the newer CIV Illustrateds when you get the chance, buying the Wallstreet i. e. is a tactic I describe in one of them, as it's one of the few ways to get it in time (other possible way that also works very well is via a GE, but rush-buying has the advantage, that one can also buy the NP and the FP which come at about the same time and don't cost much) .

Also, don't forget, that you get a GS and a Great Spy for free, that should make getting the GPs for the 4-GP-GA really simple.

 

[Pangaea]

I was weak

If only I could put a Globe Theatre in every city, and this would be honky dory.

 

[Pangaea]

Deep in the hole.

 

[Seraiel]

You should always keep 1000 in the bank, to have the chance to trigger the reserve-banks-event (-25% inflation) .

 

[yyeah]

@ Seraiel

I have question, why do you think that hurry WS is a good play ?

 

[yyeah]

Iam asking becouse, as far as i’m concerned, good way to deal with sushi maintence is to close the gap asap beetween sushi, mining and AL.

And not running GA then witch is preety hard to do becouse Taj comes in taht timeing and closeing gap ( without GA) takes longer ... tough.

 

[Seraiel]

@ Seraiel

I have question, why do you think that hurry WS is a good play ?

Because I'm actually not that bad at maths as my recent posts may make somebody think. If you divide the cost for rushing the WS through the GPT the WS gives, you'll notice that the WS pays back in a very short timeframe, like 30T or less with Kremlin. It's impossible to burn almost infinite amounts of and convert it into in this game, so the gain that comes through the WS is massive, it's basically like a 2nd Oxford only that it's even stronger.

 

[Pangaea]

You should always keep 1000 in the bank, to have the chance to trigger the reserve-banks-event (-25% inflation) .

Thanks for the heads up. I'll need to turn off research for a while. Simply impossible to keep 100% with such rising costs. Can't whip the empire into the ground with executive abuse either, with already pretty high whip counters, and the need for more when Mining comes round.

How common is this event? Once in a blue moon, or say, 50%?

@ Seraiel

I have question, why do you think that hurry WS is a good play ?

Just take my numbers for example. With little invested into WS, it cost around 6000. WS adds over 200 per turn at this stage of the game, so it pays back in less than 30 turns. Easily worth it, when otherwise it would take an eternity to finish it. It's a lot of gold of course, but in the long run it should be worth it.

I'm leaving today, so won't get to play for at least a week. Best of luck to you guys. Hope I have time to finish the game when I come back, but that is far from certain with only a week left, and maybe 100 hours left to play...

 

[yyeah]

Because I'm actually not that bad at maths as my recent posts may make somebody think.

Allright, i agree WS gives a lot, but mining and AL gives more and what iam thinking about is something like whipping fac and cole in to WS.

With vassals you can get mining and AL ~20 turns after sushi maybe even faster ...

 

[yyeah]

Dont get me wrong guys speed up WS is certainly great play, but i just asking what do you think about mine idea, strategy, conclusion idk compered to speed up WS.

 

[Pangaea]

Suppose it depends a bit on how good your vassals are. If they can get you expensive techs towards Mining quickly enough so you can get Mining only 20 turns after Sushi, perhaps you can bridge the gap without forking out for WS. Wasn't possible in my game. Asoka and Mansa is doing Democracy and Rifling for me, but it still take 20-30 turns. I need to do the other stuff myself. Freddie is useless, sadly.

 

[Seraiel]

Whipping and chopping in the WS is good, it's just that those options often aren't available, but switching to US during the GA-phase is always possible, and getting a 2nd GE also happens quite a lot of times, when one ran Engineers over the whole empire.

And I got Mining exactly 20T after Sushi. Forgot to found it but thankfully realised my fault 1T later . I also got Steel from a Vassal, Railroads I researched myself, because I was at least 5 times faster than any of my Vassals. It's possible that I even got Steam Power from one of my Vassals.

 

[yyeah]

I got mining 25 turns after sushi without good vassals and i reserched Phy ealier, so as you can see this gap isnt too big, and reaching mining and AL in ~20 turns shouldnt be too hard in a some great games.

So is it worth it to spend ~6k for WS, this is 7-8 turns of 100% ... iam not sure about it...

And offcourse iam talking here about like, moust efficient play obv you need to adopt to Your game and make good decision.

But this is my conclusion from a recent game that reaching mining and AL faster can be better then just buying WS.

 

[yyeah]

Whipping and chopping in the WS is good, it's just that those options often aren't available

This is available becouse you want to whip fact and coles, and mining and sushi ex so you need to sw in to slavery.