Zack
99% hot gas
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[Game thread] Smurf Mafia
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Askthepizzaguy
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Me personally, I'm tired of not getting an answer to my questions regarding how I could possibly be mafia. Let's look at the facts:
- I killed the only dead member of mafia faction 1.
This is a fact. It's known to me, obviously, and no one else has claimed to be the person who killed MartinLuther. If you dispute it, tell me why. I need to know the why, otherwise you're not demonstrating any thoughts to be discarded at all.
- I killed mafia faction 2. Out of the game entirely. gone.
This is also a fact. And since the faction is mod-confirmed to be gone, and it was a cult, I fail to see how I could be a member of that faction, or any other for that matter, but please, proceed.
- Through questioning and vote pressure, I've also exposed a member of mafia faction 1 today: NinjaCow.
So, in order for me to be mafia, I need to have done the following:
- "Here townies, have a freebie dead semi-active mafioso teammate I murdered."
Something I have never done in any mafia game ever, and would never do, no matter how irritating it is to have an inactive partner.
Citation: I won a game on Giraffe by specifically not bussing my inactive partner, and we won due to numbers thanks to him being alive.
- "Hey NinjaCow, here's an idea. When we lynch a townie today, let's make sure you're also exposed as guilty in the process. Also, in case it backfires and people lynch you instead, I have no recourse whatsoever. Sorry about getting you lynched and murdering MartinLuther, was all part of a very bad plan."
And NinjaCow was on board with this idea, because he's an empty sycophant who does whatever I say. He wouldn't turn to me and go Dang Pizza, That's A Lousy Plan!
Now, you want to know why I am interested in lynching you over Azzaman or Autolycus.
I already did you the courtesy of telling you why. Not only because I believe Auto's claim totally, but also because Azzaman is being voted by, and considered a suspect by, everyone I currently suspect. And if he's scum as well, we shall find out once his buddies are dead and gone. I also pointed out how both have been helpful to me directly, and have not been trying to make me out to be mafia when I'm not.
You have, however. So has NinjaCow.
You have not demonstrated how I can be mafia in the slightest, and you keep dodging that question.
You have instead chosen to accuse the vigilante of being a serial killer, which would crowd the game setup with three scum factions, one of which could have and should have expanded to a larger size than one member, reducing town's numbers in the process.
And regardless of the fact that it's not true, if it were true, it wouldn't change who everyone else in the game is.
There's still a mafia out there, two of them. And, when they're dead, the serial killer hangs automatically since he's not hiding.
That's also a pretty bad plan.
I can be accused of being wordy, arrogant, annoying, dismissive, whatever- but I get a little offended when I'm accused of being dumb.
In order for me to be scum, I would have to be the guy who consented to a plan which includes giving away two teammate scumbags for free and also exposing myself as a killer as well. That's a brain-dead plan.
In order for me to be Serial Killer, I would have had to gamble that somehow, town wouldn't lynch me when both mafia factions are destroyed. That's the gamble of a Pizzaguy who took the stupid pills. If I win with a plan like that, then town didn't deserve to win.
Askthepizzaguy
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Now then. Do you think it might be possible the mafia faction has a healer?
Yeah. Yeah these guys are totally not mafia together.
NinjaCow the liar, who Zack admits is a liar, who Zack does not want to lynch.
Zack the guy who was nearly spared by NinjaCow, but the attempt was in the inept category so it didn't work.
BSmith the guy who Zack provides an alibi for and won't vote for NinjaCow the guy Zack admits is a lying scumbag.
2 inactive scumbags get replaced into the game. One of them is murdered by the vig. No wonder you guys are sick of this game. It was never going to end well for your faction.
I really have to wonder what the heck happened in Verarde's camp. My guess is he kept forgetting to send in orders.
Askthepizzaguy
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1 cult that didn't do anything.
1 mafia faction with three inactive members and a fourth who skated by on roleplaying, and even got roleblocked once with successful results.
MartinLuther, replacement player, replacement player, NinjaCow.
Town who is just powerful enough to fight off both factions. Just barely.
Game solve! Boo-yah.
1 mafia faction with three inactive members and a fourth who skated by on roleplaying, and even got roleblocked once with successful results.
MartinLuther, replacement player, replacement player, NinjaCow.
Town who is just powerful enough to fight off both factions. Just barely.
Game solve! Boo-yah.
Zack
99% hot gas
You want to know what's frustrating?
askthepizzaguy: "I demand to know your suspicions and thoughts on the game, Zack."
Zack: "Okay, here they are. My number one suspect is azzaman, who you just said is a scumbag, NinjaCow (who we know now is almost certainly a scumbag), and Autolycus, who mysteriously killed Zack on Night 1 (I am a popular mafia N1 kill, not a popular vigilante N1 kill) even though the town apparently already has several vigilantes and the mafia apparently aren't killing anyone; further, there is an extremely recent example where a third-party quasi-serial killer revealed to you that they killed a town power role early in the game, and you only gave up that information when you thought it would net you personal game, and this was as a townie."
askthepizzaguy: "lol that's dumb, you're mafia"
That's really goddamn frustrating. And now you're lynching me because... I don't agree with you?
askthepizzaguy: "I demand to know your suspicions and thoughts on the game, Zack."
Zack: "Okay, here they are. My number one suspect is azzaman, who you just said is a scumbag, NinjaCow (who we know now is almost certainly a scumbag), and Autolycus, who mysteriously killed Zack on Night 1 (I am a popular mafia N1 kill, not a popular vigilante N1 kill) even though the town apparently already has several vigilantes and the mafia apparently aren't killing anyone; further, there is an extremely recent example where a third-party quasi-serial killer revealed to you that they killed a town power role early in the game, and you only gave up that information when you thought it would net you personal game, and this was as a townie."
askthepizzaguy: "lol that's dumb, you're mafia"
That's really goddamn frustrating. And now you're lynching me because... I don't agree with you?
How do you know there are two?
Zack
99% hot gas
Unvote, Vote: NinjaCow
I am willing to lynch him. You are not willing to lynch him, even though you admitted he was a lying scumbag.
Lynch NinjaCow, then if you really still frustratingly think I'm mafia, then by all means kill me.
Askthepizzaguy
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I'll repeat myself for the third or fourth time now.
I'm lynching you because:
1) You and Azzaman are not mafia together. As demonstrated by the fact that you'd like to see each other die and you tried very hard to get him dead instead of you. And you suspect me highly of being scum, but happily wagoned onto the suspect in question because it wasn't you or NinjaCow or BSmith.
2) Eventually the mafia will have to get me lynched if they can't murder me, because sometimes THIS happens. I have a lasso and I use it and it kills bad guys.
3) You STILL cannot explain how in the blue monkey I'm mafia.
4) You'd rather lynch me than NinjaCow.
Guessed wrong. Didn't see BSmith as scum until now.
Thank you, by the way. I would have gotten him due to process of elimination but this is still very helpful to me.
Askthepizzaguy
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No. I think you're scum, and I think the reason you want to bus NinjaCow is because he won't die today when we lynch him.
I am not going to do what the guy who REALLY REALLY REALLY NEEDS ME DEAD suggests is the best course of action.
Again: I did not take my stupid pills this game. Sorry to disappoint.
Zack
99% hot gas
False. Switch your vote to NinjaCow this very second, Pizzaguy. You said he was a "lying scumbag" yourself.
Askthepizzaguy
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Respond to this:
You and he are both scum, and there is precisely ONE intelligent tactical situation where a mafia exposes himself as a liar, and then his teammates try to get him dead:
Where it is advantageous to the town to lynch the mafia teammate that the rest of the mafia would strongly prefer you not lynch.
You don't get to pick which one of your mafia scumbag allies I kill. That's MY choice.
Your time will come. it's now.
Ninja dies tonight. Hugs and promises. On my honor, my death should I fail.
unvote; vote: NinjaCow.
Zack
99% hot gas
Lynch NinjaCow64 today.
Tonight, block me, scan me, and spank me with a slice of pizza. Give me your worst. You'll find out that I'm a vanilla townie.
Askthepizzaguy
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Now I have to plead with Azzaman to change his vote to Zack.
It's much harder playing the townie role than the scum role in this situation. I actually have to work with allies who, ironically enough, are NOT in lockstep with Pizza, despite all whiny protestations to the contrary.
johnhughthom
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What the hell? Crap like this is why I don't think too much in these games...
Zack
99% hot gas
Your "case" on me is flimsier than a man with a vasectomy.
Come on now, this is blatantly false.
I'm mafia because I voted for azzaman when you said "azzaman is mafia"? That's your first point?
You're not my priority for the lynch today.
I laid out reasons to suspect you, you refuted them using circular reasoning. Not at a single point have you been my biggest suspect.
Come on now, this is blatantly false.
Zack
99% hot gas
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11926087&postcount=562
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11926269&postcount=563
"Let's give items to Pizza and lynch Zack because Pizza said so."
johnhughthom
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I'm finding it hard to believe Zack as mafia in any scenario I can think of for this fake mason claim dealie, every one leads me to the conclusion 'Zack's not that dumb'.
I'm finding it hard to believe Zack as mafia in any scenario I can think of for this fake mason claim dealie, every one leads me to the conclusion 'Zack's not that dumb'.
Askthepizzaguy
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John, I'm afraid this is the nightmare scenario where you don't win unless you're in lockstep. With pizza.
I'm sorry. I know it tastes bad. But they are desperate not to lynch Zack and it's because he's actually vulnerable to the lynch today. NinjaCow is not.
Zack
99% hot gas
Not even going to bother refuting my last points?
At this point, I think you know I'm not mafia; you're just to stubborn to back down. The case you built on me was exceptionally weak to begin with, and it has been torn down.
Askthepizzaguy
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John, remember Capo.
Do not lynch the mafia that the other mafia will vote to lynch. It is the lawyer all over again, based on HP.
They've been healing NinjaCow the whole game because nobody found him suspicious.
Inability to effectively lynch that mafioso is the reason why they're willing to do it.
Lynch the scumbag they obviously do not want you to lynch. It will be effective.
Anything else loses the game as we are at 5 townies versus 3 mafia.
Now they are betting it all that if they can't lynch a townie, they can stop the lynch entirely.
Stop them by lynching Zack.
Do not lynch the mafia that the other mafia will vote to lynch. It is the lawyer all over again, based on HP.
They've been healing NinjaCow the whole game because nobody found him suspicious.
Inability to effectively lynch that mafioso is the reason why they're willing to do it.
Lynch the scumbag they obviously do not want you to lynch. It will be effective.
Anything else loses the game as we are at 5 townies versus 3 mafia.
Now they are betting it all that if they can't lynch a townie, they can stop the lynch entirely.
Stop them by lynching Zack.
