[Game thread] Smurf Mafia

[Askthepizzaguy]

You castrated yourself?

You're obviously fail at life as well as solve.

Here, let me help you with that.

Vote: Johnhughthom

 

[johnhughthom]

I'm not sure how that will help me improve my life, or my solving abilities, but the thought is appreciated.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

robbiecon - claimed blocker
Autolycus- claimed item maker
ATPG- claimed vig

azzaman [provisional]
Xenoneb bsmith 2 [provisional]

Ninjacow64
johnhughthom-
Daveshack Zack 2

Everyone who has been attacked lately has been someone who was defending me.

Unfortunate that azzaman did NOT PROTECT the person I asked him to last night. Because if he had, the townie wouldn't have died.

Estimate 2 mafiosi remaining out of 8 players. If BSmith is to be believed, that means that robbiecon has been blocking and therefore, can't be killing. Otherwise, both of them are guilty, but BSmith is the killer, most likely.


Lets begin with the obvious.

1. I vote myself the last seven berries
2. I vote Autolycus the first seven berries

Sorry robbiecon, you're still a suspect.

3. 3 chocolates go to Autolycus
4. 3 chocolates go to Azzaman

5. Exotic Smurfberry goes to me.

I think I've earned seeing what it does.

6. Vote the Night vision goggles to BSmith

Not because I'm enthusiastic about his chances of being townie, but because robbie said he blocked him on a night the scums killed. And he's got nothing to do and everyone else is occupied.

Hopefully, BSmith, you'll scan a scumbag and we can lynch them tomorrow, after I'm dead.

As it's painfully obvious I won't last the night, given the doctor is ignoring my requests.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not sure how that will help me improve my life, or my solving abilities, but the thought is appreciated.

I'd be voting NinjaCow at this point, if, say, you gave the game any effort whatsoever.

I'm not sure I want to move forward in this game knowing that, well, I could win, but suspect Johnhughthom, if townie, won't participate effectively.

I'd rather make the choice: If John is scum, I brought down three scums and lost due to whatever.

If John is townie, wasn't giving me the time of day anyway. So what's the point?


You know Zack and Ninja are probably mafia if you're townie, John. I don't even care.

 

[Autolycus]

I want the exotic smurfberry.
I think azzaman is a good choice to have the night goggles.
I would like the first 8 berries.
Let atpg have the last 6

vote:johnhughthom for the lynch today, pizza killed a scum last night, let's see if he can lead us right again.

 

[johnhughthom]

I'm genuinely baffled by this Pizza, there are other players putting no effort in, why the focus on me?

When do I ever really work with you? It's nothing personal, I simply don't like the townie sheep mentality that happens when you take control of a game. I like to sit off to the side, letting you do your thing, and contributing if I have something to say.

This game so far, as a vanilla ('as vanilla as they come' according to the host) townie, I've had nothing to add to the discussion, so just post the occasional 'witticism'. You've seen it dozens of times now, but you seem to be really annoyed about it this game in particular. Strange.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stay tuned, Auto.

I might reverse my opinion again. Doing an analysis, so bear with me.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm genuinely baffled by this Pizza, there are other players putting no effort in, why the focus on me?

When do I ever really work with you? It's nothing personal, I simply don't like the townie sheep mentality that happens when you take control of a game. I like to sit off to the side, letting you do your thing, and contributing if I have something to say.

That's all perfectly fine. it's not written into the rules of mafia that you must do what I say when I'm the only effective member of the townie team.

At the same time, you won't even indicate a real suspect you'd like to lynch.

This is your typical behavior, but you're doing it to a degree that indicates you don't want to have your suspects analyzed. I can't determine your alignment unless I see you voting for people.

Your voting for me was a step in the wrong direction, as you might imagine.

I don't object to independent play. I object to hiding behind passivity and giving me nothing to analyze, nor making any real attempts to lynch the scum.

If you're going to do that, I want you dead, town or scum. Because maybe then it will send the message that, if you can't at least help me determine that lynching you is a waste of time, then realize that you're not pulling your weight and you're providing cover for the actual scums, and further on top of that, I can't rely on you ever actually voting for a scum.

So you're a valid suspect, no help at all, and irritating me. And you voted for me, at a time when it made no sense to do so.

I will relish your death regardless of how you flip unless you start giving a flip about playing the game.

 

[johnhughthom]

vote:johnhughthom for the lynch today, pizza killed a scum last night, let's see if he can lead us right again.

I simply don't like the townie sheep mentality that happens when you take control of a game.

 

[johnhughthom]

Anyway, I advocated killing spaceman (I think) in Zack IV as he was a distraction whether scum or not. I guess the same applies to me here, so Vote: jht.

 

[Zack]

Either BSmith is innocent, or Kennigit bestowed him with a damn good alibi.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh quit being so apathetic, john.

Freaking DO something. Like maybe answer this, independently since you boo hoo don't like it when I behave competently and others listen to my advice after that.



Okay townies, I need your thinking caps for a moment.

If you want to win, riddle me this:



Thinking deeper. I was attacked directly.

The mafia knew for a fact that I was being protected last night.

And, they attacked JoanK, who was protecting me, instead of Azzaman, who was ostensibly protecting me.

So, they wouldn't attack me unless one of the following were true:

1. Azzaman is scum and wasn't protecting anyone at all.
2. Robbiecon is scum and tried to block Azzaman, so his partner could kill me.


Theory one is very attractive. Why would azzaman, who had until now been very cooperative, suddenly not protect someone I had cleared as townie?

Further, why would he not protect the doctor, and instead, protect autolycus, who is of little value comparatively speaking.

Why does that make sense? If he's on protective detail, and our plan relies on protecting someone that absolutely must be protected, and he abandons that, that's pretty lousy teamwork and quite scummy to boot.

So, azzaman is likely to be scum, but only if this theory holds.

Theory two:

Mafia wouldn't even make an attempt on me unless I were un-defended.

Well, since JoanK was townie, guess what? That means they would not attack me unless azzaman were on their payroll, OR, they believed they could bust through my protection.

Well, here's the problem.

JoanK's protection on me succeeded and I lived to tell about it.

So, that means that robbiecon did not roleblock JoanK.

Which means there was no mafia coordination between robbiecon, and Azzaman.

If Azzaman were to be scum, AND robbiecon were scum, then the scums would have known to block JoanK.

Then their kill on me would have been successful.

Instead, the mafia wouldn't have made their attempt on me unless EITHER Azzaman or Robbiecon were scum.

Now, Azzaman didn't do his job, protecting JoanK.

This means he knew he wasn't protecting me, he wasn't protecting JoanK. That should be enough. Two kill attempts from the scum. 1 on JoanK, one on me.

vote: robbiecon who did you roleblock last night?

Well, he obviously wasn't roleblocking Azzaman, or else Azzaman would have said "hey, I'm blocked" instead of "I protected Auto".

Furthermore, there was an additional attack last night.

So, either Autolycus attacked me, or the guy with the boxing gloves did.

I can rule out, completely, that robbiecon and Azzaman are scum together.
I can rule out the mafia blocking JoanK, didn't happen.
I can rule out the mafia blocking Azzaman, didn't happen.

SO, that means that Robbiecon was not blocking me,
Robbiecon was not blocking JoanK
Robbiecon was not blocking Azzaman.

• So why did the mafia attack me? There was absolutely zero chance of it succeeding.
• Where did the extra attack come from? The scums attack twice after losing a member and attacking once the rest of the time?

I know what I believe. But you tell me what happened, everyone else.

 

[Zack]

I know what I believe. But you tell me what happened, everyone else.

I'm not in the loop, don't expect me to have a similar level of knowledge of information as you do.

 

[Zack]

But for what it's worth, I believe the two mafia lie within the azzaman/NinjaCow/Auto group. Take it with a grain of salt, because it's largely uninformed speculation.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not in the loop, don't expect me to have a similar level of knowledge of information as you do.

I just made everyone in the loop. If you go re-read it, you'll see that:

1. JoanK was a doctor
2. Auto has an item-based kill that is an explosion. (this was revealed a while back) Which doesn't match the ripping to shreds kill. So it wasn't him attacking JoanK.
3. I directed azzaman, who has the item you're familiar with, to protect JoanK
4. That was not done.
5. I was attacked.
6. JoanK defended me.
7. JoanK was attacked, azzaman did not protect him, JoanK died.


So if Azzaman is telling the truth, then he just blatantly abandoned orders to protect someone who is not necessarily vital compared to a doctor. Who there was no indication would be attacked. On a night either myself or my doctor would be attacked, and both were.

And the gloves confer an extra kill.

So, what's your conclusion, Zack?

 

[Zack]

1. Vote: azzaman
2. NinjaCow
3. Autolycus

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ robbiecon as a suspect

Keep in mind robbiecon (if scum) did not block me, Joan, or Azzaman.

So why would the mafia assume that I could die that night? If he had no interest in even stopping my kill, or stopping either one of my doctors?

Robbiecon as scum makes little sense here. It's technically POSSIBLE, but it means the mafia did two attacks, and blocked nobody who is a core townie. How does that begin to make sense.

It only makes sense if robbie was completely inactive. *shrug*

 

[Zack]

Robbiecon as scum makes little sense here.

When did I say anything about robbiecon being scum?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

When did I say anything about robbiecon being scum?

Gah.

No, I'm not saying. Just saying that, for those who want robbiecon dead...

I need you to roleblock Verarde.

You're being tracked; if you don't roleblock Verarde, then it raises questions.

Ok, I'll block Verarde.

He sent me this at 4:45 AM, so he couldn't possibly have been a scumbag who forgot to send orders.

He sent them. None of the known/assumed core townies were blocked.

So, did anyone else get blocked by him?

Last night we lost a doctor, proved robbiecon was town, and now azzaman can prove he's a townie by handing Autolycus the boxing gloves before we are forced to lynch him.

If he fails to do so, then he was scum, and we've all but won the game.

If he doesn't fail to do so, I can be protected tonight, and we've all but won the game, regardless of how he flips, since we have 2 townie killers and 1 townie roleblocker.

Azzaman, your move.

Give Autolycus the boxing gloves. This is not a request.

 

[Zack]

Why give them to Auto? Doesn't he already have a supposed ability? Give them to me, I'm not doing anything at night.