Gator01 - Team C - 100K
- Thread starter DJMGator13
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el_filet
Prince
i got it, but won't play today
el_filet
Prince
50 AD (0):
change vladivostok to temple
most of our town are hopelessly corrupt
IBT:
salamanca: cath->duct
niagara falls: cath->market
akwesasne: temple->worker
russians start cop
egypt sistine
70 AD (1):
down lux (hire 1 entertainer, but we now have positive cashflow)
IBT:
st. regis: harbor->market
england & japan start ST
IBT:
allegheny: cath->market
tyendenaga: worker->court
IBT:
vladivostok riots
english start sistine
130 AD (4):
build embassy in germany: size 6; court, cath, col; ST in 9@11 spt; iron&spices; 3 pike, 1 archer (all reg)
IBT:
vladivostok starves
kahnawake: worker->cath
IBT:
gator river: cath->market
akwesasane: worker->rax
IBT:
salamanca: duct->market
give caesar 20g & TM
IBT:
refuse to pay english->war
niagara falls: market->duct
krasnoyarsk: spear->temple
210 AD (8):
some gpt deals run out
switch tyendenaga to walls (didn't saw bristol on WM)
IBT:
kiev completes ST
wonder switches
230 AD (9):
hurry temple in caughnawaga
IBT:
cleo wants TM & 15g, cave to avoid dogpile
GA ends
mauch chunk: harbor->rax
caughnawaga: temple->walls
rome completes leo
germans & persians start magellan
notes:
we're still on positive cashflow
way behind in tech (japan only up 3 techs
)
FP ?
2 MW in galley on way to tyendenaga
change vladivostok to temple
most of our town are hopelessly corrupt
IBT:
salamanca: cath->duct
niagara falls: cath->market
akwesasne: temple->worker
russians start cop
egypt sistine
70 AD (1):
down lux (hire 1 entertainer, but we now have positive cashflow)
IBT:
st. regis: harbor->market
england & japan start ST
IBT:
allegheny: cath->market
tyendenaga: worker->court
IBT:
vladivostok riots
english start sistine
130 AD (4):
build embassy in germany: size 6; court, cath, col; ST in 9@11 spt; iron&spices; 3 pike, 1 archer (all reg)
IBT:
vladivostok starves
kahnawake: worker->cath
IBT:
gator river: cath->market
akwesasane: worker->rax
IBT:
salamanca: duct->market
give caesar 20g & TM
IBT:
refuse to pay english->war
niagara falls: market->duct
krasnoyarsk: spear->temple
210 AD (8):
some gpt deals run out
switch tyendenaga to walls (didn't saw bristol on WM)
IBT:
kiev completes ST
wonder switches
230 AD (9):
hurry temple in caughnawaga
IBT:
cleo wants TM & 15g, cave to avoid dogpile
GA ends
mauch chunk: harbor->rax
caughnawaga: temple->walls
rome completes leo
germans & persians start magellan
notes:
we're still on positive cashflow
way behind in tech (japan only up 3 techs
)FP ?
2 MW in galley on way to tyendenaga
preflight (250ad)
looks good
ibt:
Germany demands we leave or Dow, we leave
Germany builds Sistine
Russia cascades to and builds Copernicus
Persia cascades to and builds Magellan's
turn 1 (260ad)
unload MWs in Kahnawake and send towards the English town
turn 2 (270ad)
ibt: one MW retreats from English Longbow
turn 3 (280ad)
4/4mw vs 3/3longbow => 3/4mw
turn 4 (290ad)
not much
turn 5 (300ad)
not much
turn 6 (310ad)
ibt: a galley is sunk by England
turn 7 (320ad)
English warriors approaching Akwesasne and Tonawanda
turn 8 (330ad)
defeat English warriors
ibt: English Knights appear
turn 9 (340ad)
peace with England for 24g and 3gpt
IMHO, this was a pointless war that wasted resources and probably cost more to end than they had demanded in the first place.
turn 10 (350ad)
loaded a galley with MW - needs to go to Akwesasne or Tonawanda
NOTES/THOUGHTS:
We need to quit focusing on culture for a while and focus on military and GO TO WAR AND HAVE A DECISIVE VICTORY. We need to dispose of Russia before they get Cossacks. They also lead us in culture.
Once we have the land, we can focus on culture. I'm not even sure we can win the way we're going, much less beat the target cultural victory date.
looks good
ibt:
Germany demands we leave or Dow, we leave
Germany builds Sistine
Russia cascades to and builds Copernicus
Persia cascades to and builds Magellan's
turn 1 (260ad)
unload MWs in Kahnawake and send towards the English town
turn 2 (270ad)
ibt: one MW retreats from English Longbow
turn 3 (280ad)
4/4mw vs 3/3longbow => 3/4mw
turn 4 (290ad)
not much
turn 5 (300ad)
not much
turn 6 (310ad)
ibt: a galley is sunk by England
turn 7 (320ad)
English warriors approaching Akwesasne and Tonawanda
turn 8 (330ad)
defeat English warriors
ibt: English Knights appear
turn 9 (340ad)
peace with England for 24g and 3gpt
IMHO, this was a pointless war that wasted resources and probably cost more to end than they had demanded in the first place.
turn 10 (350ad)
loaded a galley with MW - needs to go to Akwesasne or Tonawanda
NOTES/THOUGHTS:
We need to quit focusing on culture for a while and focus on military and GO TO WAR AND HAVE A DECISIVE VICTORY. We need to dispose of Russia before they get Cossacks. They also lead us in culture.
Once we have the land, we can focus on culture. I'm not even sure we can win the way we're going, much less beat the target cultural victory date.
350-450AD
Quiet, too quiet.
Trade Rome Furs for dyes and cash then turned down luxury tax and tried to squeeze the most gold I could out of the realm.
A recon of Odessa showed a musket in the garrison so set the strong producers to building Mounted Warriors with a plan of buying Cavalry from somebody and upgrading to knights. The iron finally connected so I also built some pikes.
We have enough force at Krasnoyarsk to take Riga, I think and that wold eliminate any threat from the back door. We need to beef up the defense in the eastern towns with pikes and catapaults before making any move, then use that as a killing zone for any Russian offensive. The towns are pretty well sited to do that and if we drop a town on the red dot it should be complete.
The white dots show the fields where cat fire would interlock and with roads it would be easy to shuttle between the towns.
With a couple of cats and some mounties in each it should be pretty secure till we can get knights on line, or more Mounties to push an offensive.
The Russians keep exercising their spears and longbows in the vicinity of Oil Springs.
I did squeeze another 14cpt by rushing libraries and temples where those were missing and I could afford it.
There are four more Mounted Warriors and 3 more pikes then in 350AD, so we are making some progress toward building military. We are going to need about six catapults and twelve Mounted Warriors and six pikes to cover the eastern killing zone.
Roster check
Sir Bugsy - up
TemporalAnomaly - on deck
Quiet, too quiet.
Trade Rome Furs for dyes and cash then turned down luxury tax and tried to squeeze the most gold I could out of the realm.
A recon of Odessa showed a musket in the garrison so set the strong producers to building Mounted Warriors with a plan of buying Cavalry from somebody and upgrading to knights. The iron finally connected so I also built some pikes.
We have enough force at Krasnoyarsk to take Riga, I think and that wold eliminate any threat from the back door. We need to beef up the defense in the eastern towns with pikes and catapaults before making any move, then use that as a killing zone for any Russian offensive. The towns are pretty well sited to do that and if we drop a town on the red dot it should be complete.
The white dots show the fields where cat fire would interlock and with roads it would be easy to shuttle between the towns.
With a couple of cats and some mounties in each it should be pretty secure till we can get knights on line, or more Mounties to push an offensive.
The Russians keep exercising their spears and longbows in the vicinity of Oil Springs.
I did squeeze another 14cpt by rushing libraries and temples where those were missing and I could afford it.
There are four more Mounted Warriors and 3 more pikes then in 350AD, so we are making some progress toward building military. We are going to need about six catapults and twelve Mounted Warriors and six pikes to cover the eastern killing zone.
Roster check
Sir Bugsy - up
TemporalAnomaly - on deck
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I have it. I like the kiling zone plan. Will execute as designed.
Bede - Sounds like you'll be up to your ears in snow by the time the storm passes.
Bede - Sounds like you'll be up to your ears in snow by the time the storm passes.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Pre-flight Playing in PTW. All is in order.
Early - In 470 , A Russian knight comes charging out of the east and I get this message:
I set up a block to keep the Russians out of our lands while, we set up the Abbotts Gauntlet
Salamanca: MW=>settler=>MW
St. Regis: cat=>cat
Niagara: MW=>MW
Middle Cathy has Galleons. Cathy pulls Egypt into her war. Stuttgart down on the isthmus begins to learn Russian.
Salamanca, Niagara: MW=>MW
St. Regis: cat=>cat
Cattaraugus: pike=>cat
Late Theology=>Education Buy Chivalry from Egypt for 312G, 10GGPT & WM. Found Abbott's Gauntlet. German, Russia, and England are in the IA.
Gator River, Allegheny: Duct=>cat
Germans complete Smiths, Russians build Newtons
After Action We probably need a few more cats, but after that well be good to go with the gauntlet. Beware, we may be facing cavs soon.
Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Gator1C,_550_AD.SAV
Early - In 470 , A Russian knight comes charging out of the east and I get this message:
I set up a block to keep the Russians out of our lands while, we set up the Abbotts Gauntlet
Salamanca: MW=>settler=>MW
St. Regis: cat=>cat
Niagara: MW=>MW
Middle Cathy has Galleons. Cathy pulls Egypt into her war. Stuttgart down on the isthmus begins to learn Russian.
Salamanca, Niagara: MW=>MW
St. Regis: cat=>cat
Cattaraugus: pike=>cat
Late Theology=>Education Buy Chivalry from Egypt for 312G, 10GGPT & WM. Found Abbott's Gauntlet. German, Russia, and England are in the IA.
Gator River, Allegheny: Duct=>cat
Germans complete Smiths, Russians build Newtons
After Action We probably need a few more cats, but after that well be good to go with the gauntlet. Beware, we may be facing cavs soon.
Save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Gator1C,_550_AD.SAV
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
So, the plan is to upgrade to knights, get a few more cats on hand and declare on Cathy. The idea here is land grab because we need more culture so the killing zones are for defense against the inevitable counter-attack.
Or, if the Russians seem willing to send the bulk of their forces into the desert below our mountains prior to invasion than that works for me as well.
Her forces are going to be split and so I hope we're looking looking at 50/50 between us and Germany. Even then we may still be out-numbered so we need to use combined forces and slant the attrition rate heavily in our favor. We can't afford to have Knights hung out for counter attacks.
Is this too cautious or do we need to attack w/ speed?
Or, if the Russians seem willing to send the bulk of their forces into the desert below our mountains prior to invasion than that works for me as well.
Her forces are going to be split and so I hope we're looking looking at 50/50 between us and Germany. Even then we may still be out-numbered so we need to use combined forces and slant the attrition rate heavily in our favor. We can't afford to have Knights hung out for counter attacks.
Is this too cautious or do we need to attack w/ speed?
"Bede's Glove" is an attempt to get the kill ratio on our side. My thinking was declare, then soak up the attackers. Russia is going to have lots of troops to send our way so we need to kill them first before going on the offensive. Once the intitial rush is used up we can move forward. If we can manage to do it and keep building kill zones as we go it should work.
@Bugs, Not my ears, just my hips but that's a lot of snow. Haven't seen this much snow and wind since I left Minnesnowta in December 2001. (And that came in November)
@Bugs, Not my ears, just my hips but that's a lot of snow. Haven't seen this much snow and wind since I left Minnesnowta in December 2001. (And that came in November)
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Turn 0 550 AD
Min run at Education.
Knights and cats building w/ the majority of builds culture.
Culture at 4,174. Only 95,826 left to go.
We are weak compared to both Germany and Russia so hopefully Bismarck is giving Catherine hell.
Turn 1 560 AD
Knight beget knight and cats beget cats.
Were going to need pikes at home because Catherine is going to land troops in our backyard once we declare.
Turn 2 570 AD
No deals. Hooking up the second gem.3
Turn 3 580 AD
Persia declared on the Germans.
Turn 4 590 AD
A few pikes are in and we have Russian troops in our territory but were still not ready to declare or provoke.
Well Germany and Russia have made peace. Now were really not ready.
Turn 5 600 AD
Hows this for irony. We get our second gem hooked up and the only AI that will trade us anything worthwhile (another lux and some gold) is Catherine. Argh!
Turn 6 610 AD
Upgrades from MW to knight are 80g and thats 5 turns worth of savings.
Riga now is occupied by a rifle. This is horrible news.
Im stopping right now because we really need to powwow as to next steps.
Min run at Education.
Knights and cats building w/ the majority of builds culture.
Culture at 4,174. Only 95,826 left to go.
We are weak compared to both Germany and Russia so hopefully Bismarck is giving Catherine hell.
Turn 1 560 AD
Knight beget knight and cats beget cats.
Were going to need pikes at home because Catherine is going to land troops in our backyard once we declare.
Turn 2 570 AD
No deals. Hooking up the second gem.3
Turn 3 580 AD
Persia declared on the Germans.
Turn 4 590 AD
A few pikes are in and we have Russian troops in our territory but were still not ready to declare or provoke.
Well Germany and Russia have made peace. Now were really not ready.
Turn 5 600 AD
Hows this for irony. We get our second gem hooked up and the only AI that will trade us anything worthwhile (another lux and some gold) is Catherine. Argh!
Turn 6 610 AD
Upgrades from MW to knight are 80g and thats 5 turns worth of savings.
Riga now is occupied by a rifle. This is horrible news.
Im stopping right now because we really need to powwow as to next steps.
OK, how about disbanding some reg warriors in the core - they aren't helping happiness and are costing gold. Also I think we need tons more cats if we're going to be attacking rifles. Also, that means Russia probably has or can trade for MT and will get her GA when we go to war. We need some input from some of our warmongers on planning the war.
I don't think the outline changes much.
You're right about disbanding the reg wariors up top of the peninsula. Then build the best bombardment unit we can, put some pikes, cats and the strongest fast attack we can muster in the "Glove" towns, declare and hunker down until the counters are spent. Might help to have a settler or two ready to push the borders out when the time comes. Just make sure any new towns line up with the grid for fields of fire.
You're right about disbanding the reg wariors up top of the peninsula. Then build the best bombardment unit we can, put some pikes, cats and the strongest fast attack we can muster in the "Glove" towns, declare and hunker down until the counters are spent. Might help to have a settler or two ready to push the borders out when the time comes. Just make sure any new towns line up with the grid for fields of fire.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Good input. If nobody grabs my save before I get home I'll play out the last three turns and repost.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Play it out jb.
Remember to make your last attack into the fire of fire with a movement 2 unit. That way you can retreat into one of the glove towns.
Remember to make your last attack into the fire of fire with a movement 2 unit. That way you can retreat into one of the glove towns.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Played out...
Warriors disbanded.
Turn 7 620 AD
More units and movement.
Turn 8 630 AD
Russia has ironclads and at least 6 frigates.
Swapping some units around for upgrade.
No trades whatsoever except w/ Catherine.
Turn 9 640 AD
Reduced entertainment to 0% and MMed St. Regis to pop a settler after hiring a revenuer.
Turn 10 650 AD
A Russian Cossack just entered our territory.
Troop movement. Upgraded a MW.
This was painful. I feel like we're slipping farther behind every turn. But we did get several expansions of boarders and I know we need to be patient for the moment.
Warriors disbanded.
Turn 7 620 AD
More units and movement.
Turn 8 630 AD
Russia has ironclads and at least 6 frigates.
Swapping some units around for upgrade.
No trades whatsoever except w/ Catherine.
Turn 9 640 AD
Reduced entertainment to 0% and MMed St. Regis to pop a settler after hiring a revenuer.
Turn 10 650 AD
A Russian Cossack just entered our territory.
Troop movement. Upgraded a MW.
This was painful. I feel like we're slipping farther behind every turn. But we did get several expansions of boarders and I know we need to be patient for the moment.
DJMGator13
Still breathing
I've setup an AA spoiler thread for us. We also have some comparison graphs thanks to Gyathaar.
