Gaza Beach Shelling

[Leha]

Omg you are seriously deluded. Dont respond to me if you are going to say such stupid things as I consider this to be a serious discussion message board

OK, I won't. promise. Honest to God.

Leave you alone now.

Forever

 

[boarder]

boarder
The thing is that whatever Israel's defenses will be - it won't stop the Palestinians by itself.
The solution is not to hide and retriet(spelling?) but to make them stop the attacks once and for all.
The only question is HOW..?

No it wont, but hardship and killing them only attributes to the problem, now no matter what the circumstances they dont see it as you being self defense as its to ingrained in them.
They see (i think) the people who fight against Israel as freedom fighters.
Whereas they are just plain terrorists in your eyes.
Until all this changes I really cant see many solutions.

 

[boarder]

OK, I won't. promise. Honest to God.

Leave you alone now.

Forever

Shows your level of intelligence.
Your age is 13 I guess.
Dont worry one day you'll mature.

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[boarder]

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Edit:such countries like Saudi Arabia and such, as they forbid jews (let alone Israelis) to enter their territory. Just FYI.

Edit again: NOW I understand why you are so picky about Israel. Baaaaad boy

Consistency would be nice.

 

[civ2]

boarder
Did I miss a "Moderator Action"???
WOW!!!
Leha is 34 btw.
He's 1.5 times older than me.
Palestinians have nothing to "free" - the very state of Palestine is a sick joke of UN/UK/or whatever created it.
Why don't you give a state to American Indians and Australian Aborigens???
Would that be considered logical?
And yet they have more rights for their "countries" than Palestinians for theirs.
They never were a distinctive group let alone a nation.
Palestinians and the very idea of Palestine date beginning of the 20 century max.
On the other hand Israel had been a state for several centuries (starting with 3000 years ago) - and Jews were always a part of population during the previous 2000 years.
There's no other group that could claim the land except the Jews - others are simply extinct centuries ago.
Have you ever heard of a state of Palestine prior to 1948???
Well you couldn't - there was none.
Don't mix Palestinians (Arabs) and Philistines (definitely not Arabs).

 

[blackheart]

Palestinians have nothing to "free" - the very state of Palestine is a sick joke of UN/UK/or whatever created it.

The UN made Israel too?

Why don't you give a state to American Indians and Australian Aborigens???
Would that be considered logical?

It might, but why would they want their own state when they can have the benefits of being an American or Australian?

And yet they have more rights for their "countries" than Palestinians for theirs.
They never were a distinctive group let alone a nation. Palestinians and the very idea of Palestine date beginning of the 20 century max. On the other hand Israel had been a state for several centuries (starting with 3000 years ago) - and Jews were always a part of population during the previous 2000 years. There's no other group that could claim the land except the Jews - others are simply extinct centuries ago.

Pointless argument. Claiming you were there first doesn't solve anything, considering the fact that they're there now.

 

[RedWolf]

Edit: Oh, about dirty work. Didn't notice it from the beginning. This "dirty" work could save many, many lives, as your passports could help them to enter such countries like Saudi Arabia and such, as they forbid jews (let alone Israelis) to enter their territory. Just FYI.

Edit again: NOW I understand why you are so picky about Israel. Baaaaad boy

Honestly it's none of my concern where or where not your intelligence agents are able to operate safely.

It is my concern however when they taint the reputation of my country's passports.

 

[Leha]

Honestly it's none of my concern where or where not your intelligence agents are able to operate safely.

It is my concern however when they taint the reputation of my country's passports.

OK. I apologize. On behalf of all israeli people I apologize. I'm sure next time they won't be caught j/k.

Israel apologized already, no?

 

[Sidhe]

boarder
Did I miss a "Moderator Action"???
WOW!!!
Leha is 34 btw.
He's 1.5 times older than me.
Palestinians have nothing to "free" - the very state of Palestine is a sick joke of UN/UK/or whatever created it.
Why don't you give a state to American Indians and Australian Aborigens???
Would that be considered logical?
And yet they have more rights for their "countries" than Palestinians for theirs.
They never were a distinctive group let alone a nation.
Palestinians and the very idea of Palestine date beginning of the 20 century max.
On the other hand Israel had been a state for several centuries (starting with 3000 years ago) - and Jews were always a part of population during the previous 2000 years.
There's no other group that could claim the land except the Jews - others are simply extinct centuries ago.
Have you ever heard of a state of Palestine prior to 1948???
Well you couldn't - there was none.
Don't mix Palestinians (Arabs) and Philistines (definitely not Arabs).

Actually your wrong percentage wise in 1890 arabs controlled the area, 95% of the land was under Palestinian control by population, you left the promised land, probably wise, but coming back and claiming it is yours by divine right and getting the UN to advocate this is not good grounds for claiming the territory is yours.

Also the reason why we don't hear too much about the actual Palestinian owners is because Jeramiah tried to wipe the Cananites of the face of the Earth, in the first well documented case of attempted genocide, they fled into the Philistines land, Jeramiah was forced to leave them alone then. If The jews hadn't of almost anihilated every man woman and child in their race based on religion, they'd probably still be living there today, and the whole situation would be forgotten; if you're interested.

Pointless argument. Claiming you were there first doesn't solve anything, considering the fact that they're there now.

They weren't the first at all, they just used war to claim a land that was already in the hands of someone else. I can't see this as a valid claim to anything, particularly not being first.

 

[boarder]

boarder
Did I miss a "Moderator Action"???
WOW!!!
Leha is 34 btw.
He's 1.5 times older than me.
Palestinians have nothing to "free" - the very state of Palestine is a sick joke of UN/UK/or whatever created it.
Why don't you give a state to American Indians and Australian Aborigens???
Would that be considered logical?
And yet they have more rights for their "countries" than Palestinians for theirs.
They never were a distinctive group let alone a nation.
Palestinians and the very idea of Palestine date beginning of the 20 century max.
On the other hand Israel had been a state for several centuries (starting with 3000 years ago) - and Jews were always a part of population during the previous 2000 years.
There's no other group that could claim the land except the Jews - others are simply extinct centuries ago.
Have you ever heard of a state of Palestine prior to 1948???
Well you couldn't - there was none.
Don't mix Palestinians (Arabs) and Philistines (definitely not Arabs).

34 Wow
And here he acts like a child.

Moderator Action: As I said - no more trolling. One more and you get a vacation from the forums.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

Anyway so I am guessing that you see a two state solution not feasible?
I guess I am used to tolerance and acceptance of other cultures so cant really understand why Arabs and Jews cant get along.
The world would be a lot better place if they could.

 

[civ2]

Sidhe
A very good answer to your (and similar) "disagrrements" about the Land:
The word Torah is similar to horaa meaning teaching.
Which means that the basis of Torah is to teach us something.
Then why does Torah begins not with the laws for Jews (the first of which can be found much towards middle of the Torah) but rather with the Creation and a long list of who-lived-where-and-when.
Most of the event prior to Avraham (at least) are not "important" for Jews (aren't conncted with them) - then why it is so?
One of the greatest Jewish scholars (Rashi - lived almost 1000 years ago) explains:
"This was done so whenever Gentiles will object to Jews' claim for the Holy Land they would be answered - God created the entire world - He first gave the Land to Cnaanites - but then He decided to give it to the Jews - and this time forever (as He promised that Himself)."
That's the answer.

Now if we look "in a modern way of view" - basically any country was made on others' lands (name one that didn't!).
The wars were made throughout the history and nobody can claim their lands was always theirs - since it's not true.
Again - name ONE country that was there was more than 3000 years.
(If you mention China - it's not that clear since "who ARE Chinese?" - there are many small nations mixed into a big one - much like USA but closer in relationships. But even if China would be an example - name ANOTHER!)

boarder
The very idea of the state of Palestine is ridiculous for me - and I'm NOT joking...
(I have the right to have a political view - I don't tell anyone to do anything though.)

 

[Sahkuhnder]

...Now if we look "in a modern way of view" - basically any country was made on others' lands (name one that didn't!).
The wars were made throughout the history and nobody can claim their lands was always theirs - since it's not true.
Again - name ONE country that was there was more than 3000 years.

Bold by me.

Iceland. Not there 3000 years yet, but still well over 1000.

 

[civ2]

Iceland was one of the last large islands uninhabited by humans until it was discovered and settled by immigrants from Scandinavia, Ireland and Scotland during the 9th and 10th centuries. Íslendingabók (Latin: Libellus Islandorum; English: The Book of Icelanders), written in 1122–33 claims that the Norwegian Ingólfur Arnarson was the first man to settle in Iceland (at Reykjavík) in 870. The families were accompanied by servants and slaves, some of whom were Celts or Picts from Scotland and Ireland (known as Westmen to the Norse). Some literary evidence suggests that Irish monks may have been living in Iceland before the arrival of Norse settlers, but no archæological evidence has been found.
etc.

Ehem... so who are nowadays icelanders???

 

[Leha]

ON TOPIC

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/weapon/english/report99.htm

[And at approximately 08:30 on Saturday, a homemade rocket landed in a house belonging to Ali Asaleyya, in the Tal Sho’shasha area of Tal El-Za’tar in Jabalia. Four members of the household were injured, including three children. Extensive damage was caused to the house. The injured are:

- Laila Ali Asaleyya (23);

- Hana Ali Asaleyya (14);

- Eman Ali Asaleyya (3); and

- Mohammad As’ad Asaleyya (7)

Medical sources in Kamal Odwan Hospital in Beit Lahya indicated that the injured had sustained shrapnel wounds to different parts of their bodies but that their condition was good.

Mister Anan. Does Gaza beach death caused by Hamas planted booby-trap still seems "unlikely" to you ??

This link shows they(terrorists) DO understand language of weapons

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/15/hamas.ceasefire/index.html


And here you can see Pallywood at work, though damage is already done, no BBC, Reuters(etc.) will place it on their front pages

http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm#b120606

Edit: you don't need to be genius to notice there is no crater in the picture. This evidence alone supports IDF version. 155mm shell will leave damn huge crater. So mr. Garlasco, please stop your lying.

 

[Mr. Do]

The comparisons of returning land to Palestinians to Native Americans or aborigines is always pretty laughable. Israel was created within the lifetime of some of the current Palestinians, but there's no similarly existing Native American, there's the issue of it happening within living memory, see.

Of course that's not an argument per se to say that the Palestinians deserves their land back, as you could counter by saying, "If Israel had simply wiped out all the Palestinians, there'd be no-one left to remember or care...", I'm just trying to dispel a poor analogy.

ON TOPIC

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/weapon/english/report99.htm



Mister Anan. Does Gaza beach death caused by Hamas planted booby-trap still seems "unlikely" to you ??

This link shows they(terrorists) DO understand language of weapons

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/15/hamas.ceasefire/index.html


And here you can see Pallywood at work, though damage is already done, no BBC, Reuters(etc.) will place it on their front pages

http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm#b120606

There's a story on the front page of the BBC's Middle Eastern section about the rocket attacks being suffered by an Israeli town. If you want front-page news, you'll have to have the Palestinians actually kill people with their rockets, which, thankfully, is very rare. Be grateful that as far as rocket attacks are concerned, the terrorists aren't as deadly as the Israeli military all too often is.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Ehem... so who are nowadays icelanders???

Easy, the citizens of the nation of Iceland.

My point is that before you post claims it never hurts to fact-check your own data. It makes you look more intelligent and you won't have to deal with bothersome people like me pointing out your errors.

Leha - Sorry for the off-topic.

 

[Leha]

There's a story on the front page of the BBC's Middle Eastern section about the rocket attacks being suffered by an Israeli town. If you want front-page news, you'll have to have the Palestinians actually kill people with their rockets, which, thankfully, is very rare. Be grateful that as far as rocket attacks are concerned, the terrorists aren't as deadly as the Israeli military all too often is.

You missed my point. They (BBC and co) are eager to place pallywood-staged videos without as much as doubt of them on front pages. The "shock" of Israeli atrocities runs around the globe. Terrorists start massive bombardments using this rubbish as excuse.

We indeed are very lucky with relatively low accuracy of Qasams. But it is in no way makes this weapon less "harmfull". I don't even want to think what would happen if one of them (two weeks ago) would hit kindergarden in Sderot and kids were there.

Here lies essential difference between IDF and terrorists (some people love to accuse Israel in state supported terrorism). Hamas(and other terrorist groops) have poor (still) weapons and intentions to target civilians. IDF has good weapons and no intention to target civilians. Otherwise there would be no Gaza population for long time.

Edit: By the way, I've read their article and was surprised it was somewat supporting israeli side. I must admit they have my credit for that. BUT, there is difference between ME frontpage and REAL frontpage, do you agree? Many people don't even want to read ME column, saying "I'm tired of all that crap." But they don't have real choice when they see "GAZA BEACH MASSACRE" on the real front page, do you agree?
So like in case with Al-Durra many people will for the rest of their lives believe it all was true.

Heck, when mr.Anan was told in the beginning of this week that more than 100 Qasams were fired on Sderot in retaliation, he was puzzled, surprised and told "he will investigate this information". SHOCK AND AWE.

 

[Leha]

Leha - Sorry for the off-topic.

Be my guest

 

[civ2]

Sahkuhnder
Wikipedia mentions Celts and Picts - do they also live in nowadays Iceland?
And are you sure that those who live there now aren't immigrants?

Anyways the main points was not who was first but who lived indeed.
I browsed through Wikipedia and found SOOOO many definitions of Palestinians - including even Jews!
It's obvious that it is not a distinctive term but rather a whole bunch of terms grouped into one.
(Very much like the definition of American - would include even Chinese if they lived in USA for some years.)
But the NATION of Palestinians isn't mentioned there!
Anyways - I'm tired of this.
No historical events can "approve" terrorism - whatever the "official cause" would be.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

Sahkuhnder
Wikipedia mentions Celts and Picts - do they also live in nowadays Iceland?
And are you sure that those who live there now aren't immigrants?

Stop making me have to explain this to you and read the wiki for yourself. It isn't that difficult to understand. If you can't read a simple wiki I'm really starting to wonder about you.

Iceland had no human beings. Humans came from Northern Europe and settled there. As "Celts and Picts" and other groups settled the island, then yes, of course they still live there today. As all the inhabitants came from elsewhere, then they all are either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. There are no Iceland 'natives' in the traditional sense.

You claimed every country "was made on others' lands" and asked someone to "name one that didn't!". Iceland, which had no people, couldn't be "others lands".