Ghandhi (EC) Emperor Cookbook! Let the fun begin.

[KingMorgan]

Thought i'd have a god at this one.

Spoiler :

Never been declared upon so much, every other 100 years so one AI decided to have a pop.

Defended mainly, put the HE in the Bronze city, fortunate as Gengis decided to build a mamoth stack and keep it in the adjecent city. Everyone expect Brenny has has a DOW at least once. Togu was first, then he capped to Geng another DoW. Held out easy enough.

Rolled along to take lib.

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got my paws on Mil Trad. Then iminent Gunpowder for curries,

Next round easy clean up the dregs of Togu, Gengis and Monty - then on to deal with Bennus. After that choose the VC.
Just missed Taj failure cash about to be paid. That will teach me to trade with these people - although i think Hupac was near anyway to Nat, then GE'd the taj.

View attachment KingMorgan- Gandhi Emperor Cookbook AD-1100.CivBeyondSwordSave

 

[kossin]

I must say I am somewhat pleased at the way the AI are performing and how the map turned out even though I made a few mistakes on it (forgot barbs, gems for Toku should have been first ring etc). It wasn't a cakewalk but also it wasn't too hard with the extra hills and available strategic resources.

Hope you guys learned from this one and enjoyed it as much as I liked going into WB to check development!

 

[Gumbolt]

I must say I am somewhat pleased at the way the AI are performing and how the map turned out even though I made a few mistakes on it (forgot barbs, gems for Toku should have been first ring etc). It wasn't a cakewalk but also it wasn't too hard with the extra hills and available strategic resources.

Hope you guys learned from this one and enjoyed it as much as I liked going into WB to check development!

Its not over yet!!!

 

[Gumbolt]

I will not be done with my round until Friday night - Warring is taking a LOT of time, now that we're getting up to real sized armies. I'll try to get it up as early as possible, though.

I think we have time to wait for your save. I need to do mine now.

 

[lymond]

I'm in the process too - had some issues with the BUFFY mod (no i don't use it for this). For learning purposes, I'd like to know how Ambro round was so freakin awesome. Granted I survived and quite a few didn't, but Ambro was light years ahead of my game and the others I saw. I'm just baffled with all the warring that round how one stayed so steady on research and city growth. I had to whip like mad for a while to just survive Tofu while taking out Monty. My guess is it had to do with some balance of staying out of war as long as possible. Something I still have to work on - not dragging things out.

 

[Gumbolt]

I'm in the process too - had some issues with the BUFFY mod (no i don't use it for this). For learning purposes, I'd like to know how Ambro round was so freakin awesome. Granted I survived and quite a few didn't, but Ambro was light years ahead of my game and the others I saw. I'm just baffled with all the warring that round how one stayed so steady on research and city growth. I had to whip like mad for a while to just survive Tofu while taking out Monty. My guess is it had to do with some balance of staying out of war as long as possible. Something I still have to work on - not dragging things out.

I think it was the fact that he did the wars well. Once i had copper hooked up I was able to chop 15-20 axes last game. So its not that farfetched what he did. Ambro just did it well and tempted the Ai stacks out into the open.

I am up to 950ad on my game so will post when done.

Given 2-3 people needing more time we could extend the round to Sunday. Or to the point that Lymond and Toranth and me have posted/ If you need more time please post and let me know!!

 

[Gumbolt]

Okay reasonable round here.

Spoiler :

Had a look at save. Switched civic before realising I needed hindu religion in old monty capital. I bribed GK into war with Brennus. Happily toku and monty DOW on brennus too.

I spread hindu to all but one city. Every Ai now has Ap religion.

Tech wise I went straight for lit. Then switched back to paper/ edu and then went for economics before taking liberalism and nationalism.

Accidentally dow Toku. It was a mistake so i took him down with phants and macemen. He is now gone.

I got a great artist and a great merchant. GM I used for a trade route. GA for a golden age. Eventually got a GS i used on edu.

Overall I will have rifles soon.

In terms of Ap win I am about 40 votes short. Need to attack Brennus. I have bribed cathy to attack incas.

Ox uni is being built. Globe theatre needs to find a home. HE is in production city by GK borders. My GP farm is doing about 88-90 points a turn.

I think this game is pretty much won really. An Ap victory next round isnt impossible.

 

[Toranth]

Hmm. I screwed up. I thought this was another 100 turn set, so I played too much, up to AD 1265 (21 turns too far) before I noticed. My only earlier save is at AD 980, 12 turns short. Now, it may seem obvious to just replay from that save, but I'm in the middle of a war at that point, and I doubt I could possibly produce the exact same results.

I've attached both saves, and I'll give a report of what happened up to AD 980. Should I just replay those last 12 turns, or just have my save for this round be a few turns off the rest?

Spoiler :

To start the round, I switched to teching Machinery, while saving cash for upgrades as soon as Macemen became available. Why Machinery before Paper or Aesthetics? Because Toku and Monty's continued survival was putting major strain on our captured cities. Some had +3 or +4 unhappy due to Motherland yearning, and we could only solve that by killing of the motherland in entirety.

That decision was made easier a few turns later when the insanely stupid AI, Monty, delcared war on Khan. Monty's entire army was 3 archers, 1 chariot, 1 Jaguar, and he declared war on the world's most powerful empire. AI, you suck.

I joined in, while continuing to prep and soon declare against Tokugawa, and eventually they both died. BUT! On the LAST turn of the war with Tokugawa, he capitulates to Brennus, and I'm suddenly at war with the Celts, too.

Brennus won't talk to me for a very long time, and because of bad army positioning, I lost Polynesian and a few isolated workers. So, I refocus, bring Khan into the war with me, and start marching south. I've retaken Polynesian, and the first of Brennus's home cities by AD 980, and I stopped to think there because FINALLY Brennus will talk, and he's willing to Capituate now.

Tech situation: 3 turns from Liberalism, but the only good thing to take with it is Nationalism. HC is a few turns from Education, and given his tech rate, he'll beat us to Liberalism if we try to research some prereqs for other stuff first. Printing press is halfbulbed and slightly researched (more than 50% done) before I realized how close HC was, and switched to Lib a few turns before.

The major choice facing this save is what to do with the war. Brennus is willing to Capitulate, but his still owns 3! holy cities, one of which is shrined for 15+ gold. Plus, he's got some nice land.
On the other hand, wiping him out will not that easy, since he's just spamming troops, and he has some very high culture and defense cities.
On the gripping hand, Khan is still in the war, which leaves the risk Brennus may Cap to Khan instead of us.

State of the world screenshots:
Brennus will Cap:

Our Empire:

Who's got the Power:

I see a target on this screen, does anyone else?

Some cities:

 

[kossin]

@Gumbolt

Spoiler :

Actually, you are 1 vote shy of winning AP... spread hindu to Tlatelolco and you should win in 5 turns. Just make sure Cathy doesn't somehow capture Cuzco and it's easy. You can even vassal Brennus without too much trouble to get a few more votes.
Go OR+Slavery whip a few missionaries before the vote and I think it's game over.

 

[Gumbolt]

@Gumbolt

Spoiler :

Actually, you are 1 vote shy of winning AP... spread hindu to Tlatelolco and you should win in 5 turns. Just make sure Cathy doesn't somehow capture Cuzco and it's easy. You can even vassal Brennus without too much trouble to get a few more votes.
Go OR+Slavery whip a few missionaries before the vote and I think it's game over.

Spoiler :

I wont! At present Incas control AP. it needs to come to me then i can try for a vote. trouble is Brennus loves spreading religions.

Sooner or later Incas will become Russians vassel.

That being said give us Rifles and we will have a Ap victory.

 

[kossin]

@Gumbolt

Spoiler :

Brennus isn't in Hinduism and probably isn't pursuing culture right now so odds are he won't spread it.
Didn't know about AP control (didn't check). Maybe HC will be stupid enough to hand you victory though.
You can always bribe peace with Cathy if need be.

 

[Toranth]

@Gumbolt

Spoiler :

AP win... The thought never even occured to me. I could conquer, so I did. Maybe I need to tone down my bloodthirsty ways a bit, as well as improve other skills...

@kossin

Spoiler :

Re: The map.
HC, with food, stone, and marble? And Gold? It's a miracle anyone else got ANY wonders! At least Tokugawa we could do something about...

 

[kossin]

@Toranth

Spoiler :

One doesn't need Wonders to win a game... better put those hammers into units and then capture land (or defend your own )

 

[Gumbolt]

I played on as i thought I was close to vc

Spoiler :

I dow Brennus. He cap to Mongols and Incas switched to free religion and along came a AP win. Silly AI!

1285 Ap win on my save.

 

[Gumbolt]

Overall does everyone want to play their saves to a finish or should we still vote and play on as such. I think most people with a few minor tweaks to my game will win quite easily.

 

[lymond]

Sorry this is late. Here's a quick run down:

Spoiler :

1) Lot of land and cities. Toku and Monty are vassal but quite small. Decided I really needed to end those wars quickly and put them down that why I went the vassal route vs. annihilation

2) Research was slow. Took forever for Edu. Surprising Hyana didn't go for Lib and it looks like I will get it easily. However, Hyana is a tech juggernaut right now. I think he should be a target in some fashion after taking Brennus out

3) Bribed Genghis not too long ago into war with Brennus. Gave up a lot to do so but it was either me or Brennus and Genghis had a huge stack on my border and was not happy. I think this was worth it especially as I'm in the process of amassing troops towards the Celts

4) Hindu seemed an obvious diplo choice but unfortunately in very few cities. Had a couple of cities focused on getting missionaries out and we're about there. Running OR now but plan to switch to pacifism as soon as possible. However, I just need the build prod boost for the newer cities. I settled several cities to fill int the gaps.

5) I may gift a couple of cities to Toku and Monty at some point to make them a little stronger overall. Monty is just a pitiful vassal right now.

6) Won the the circum race. Have a galley with a settler and LB heading over to the island to the west to settle it. Possible nice island for setting up a colony. Looks like some other good spots overseas but would need astro. Built a worker in Bombay building a meaningless road right there waiting for another galley to ship him over to the new island.

7) So overall Hyana is the major issue. Catherine appears to not be teching the fast surprisingly but Hyana is just on fire right now. I'm going to have to figure something out with him.

 

[lymond]

Hmm. I screwed up. I thought this was another 100 turn set, so I played too much, up to AD 1265 (21 turns too far) before I noticed. My only earlier save is at AD 980, 12 turns short. Now, it may seem obvious to just replay from that save, but I'm in the middle of a war at that point, and I doubt I could possibly produce the exact same results.

I've attached both saves, and I'll give a report of what happened up to AD 980. Should I just replay those last 12 turns, or just have my save for this round be a few turns off the rest?

Spoiler :

To start the round, I switched to teching Machinery, while saving cash for upgrades as soon as Macemen became available. Why Machinery before Paper or Aesthetics? Because Toku and Monty's continued survival was putting major strain on our captured cities. Some had +3 or +4 unhappy due to Motherland yearning, and we could only solve that by killing of the motherland in entirety.

That decision was made easier a few turns later when the insanely stupid AI, Monty, delcared war on Khan. Monty's entire army was 3 archers, 1 chariot, 1 Jaguar, and he declared war on the world's most powerful empire. AI, you suck.

I joined in, while continuing to prep and soon declare against Tokugawa, and eventually they both died. BUT! On the LAST turn of the war with Tokugawa, he capitulates to Brennus, and I'm suddenly at war with the Celts, too.

Brennus won't talk to me for a very long time, and because of bad army positioning, I lost Polynesian and a few isolated workers. So, I refocus, bring Khan into the war with me, and start marching south. I've retaken Polynesian, and the first of Brennus's home cities by AD 980, and I stopped to think there because FINALLY Brennus will talk, and he's willing to Capituate now.

Tech situation: 3 turns from Liberalism, but the only good thing to take with it is Nationalism. HC is a few turns from Education, and given his tech rate, he'll beat us to Liberalism if we try to research some prereqs for other stuff first. Printing press is halfbulbed and slightly researched (more than 50% done) before I realized how close HC was, and switched to Lib a few turns before.

The major choice facing this save is what to do with the war. Brennus is willing to Capitulate, but his still owns 3! holy cities, one of which is shrined for 15+ gold. Plus, he's got some nice land.
On the other hand, wiping him out will not that easy, since he's just spamming troops, and he has some very high culture and defense cities.
On the gripping hand, Khan is still in the war, which leaves the risk Brennus may Cap to Khan instead of us.

State of the world screenshots:
Brennus will Cap:

Our Empire:

Who's got the Power:

I see a target on this screen, does anyone else?

Some cities:

Wow, it amazes how different the tech situation is in comparison from the start. It appears we are about on the same page as far as where India is tech wise, but Hyana is much more advanced at this stage in my game than yours. I guess I made some rather unbalanced trades with him, but I did not think they were that bad.

 

[lymond]

Okay reasonable round here.

Spoiler :

Had a look at save. Switched civic before realising I needed hindu religion in old monty capital. I bribed GK into war with Brennus. Happily toku and monty DOW on brennus too.

I spread hindu to all but one city. Every Ai now has Ap religion.

Tech wise I went straight for lit. Then switched back to paper/ edu and then went for economics before taking liberalism and nationalism.

Accidentally dow Toku. It was a mistake so i took him down with phants and macemen. He is now gone.

I got a great artist and a great merchant. GM I used for a trade route. GA for a golden age. Eventually got a GS i used on edu.

Overall I will have rifles soon.

In terms of Ap win I am about 40 votes short. Need to attack Brennus. I have bribed cathy to attack incas.

Ox uni is being built. Globe theatre needs to find a home. HE is in production city by GK borders. My GP farm is doing about 88-90 points a turn.

I think this game is pretty much won really. An Ap victory next round isnt impossible.

Gumbolt - What is it specifically that allowed you to tech so well in this round. I'm about to win Lib, but it took me forever to get through edu. Probably shoulda bulbed vs. creating academies, but thought they would be off in the long run. I guess I could of build more research/wealth but felt there was some important infro to get in, backfilling and Monty/Toku to take care of at the start. Just trying to isolate what I can do better here.

 

[lymond]

Overall does everyone want to play their saves to a finish or should we still vote and play on as such. I think most people with a few minor tweaks to my game will win quite easily.

In my view, I guess it depends on if we think the best save will lead to victory the next round. I don't think mine is terrible but I doubt it I could get a victory next round - not sure, as going for the fast kill is not something I'm quite adept at on this level. If not, I'd like to see these games play out a little longer as opposed to just piffling out.

ha...nevermind, I just read your recent post. Nice win!

 

[Toranth]

Overall does everyone want to play their saves to a finish or should we still vote and play on as such. I think most people with a few minor tweaks to my game will win quite easily.

Having now taken a close look at your save, Gumbolt, I'm not sure you could avoid winning without deliberate effort. At this point, I think we can call the game over - Congrats, Gumbolt, on your win.

Spoiler :

Excellent management of diplomacy. Getting Cathy and HC going at each other pretty much guaranteed India the tech lead, and with a tech lead and that much land? Easy cruise to a win on almost any Victory Condition.

@lymond

Spoiler :

Wow, it amazes how different the tech situation is in comparison from the start. It appears we are about on the same page as far as where India is tech wise, but Hyana is much more advanced at this stage in my game than yours. I guess I made some rather unbalanced trades with him, but I did not think they were that bad.

It looks like the major factor was the war declarations. For example, in Gumbolt's game, he bribed Cathy and HC into warring, and that severely cut back HC's tech rate. Also, his tech choices (such as Military Science) changed.