Gilad Shalit is free

[amadeus]

Yeah, we get it Form, whatever the Israelis do, it's wrong

The only card you have left to play now is accusing him of anti-semitism. Rut-roh. Anyway, he asked a legitimate question: if these guys being released are terrible killers of Israeli civilians, why would their government trade over 1,000 of them for one of their conscripts?

 

[Formaldehyde]

You are still blaming Israel for following what is basically Hamas's demands.

Hamas didn't demand the Israeli soldier be freed. Israel did. This is just likely going to cause even more Israeli soldiers to be kidnapped.

 

[JollyRoger]

Offensive to whom? I'll tell you what I find offensive - the supposed equivalence between Israel and the terrorists that some posters keep implying.

Agreed. Based on the trade, the Israeli was over 1,000 times the threat. It's not even close to equivalent.

 

[nivi]

The only card you have left to play now is accusing him of anti-semitism. Rut-roh. Anyway, he asked a legitimate question: if these guys being released are terrible killers of Israeli civilians, why would their government trade over 1,000 of them for one of their conscripts?

The agreement the Israeli government makes with it's soldiers is one for all and all for one. That is the way it is.

 

[bhsup]

The agreement the Israeli government makes with it's soldiers is one for all and all for one. That is the way it is.

So then you'd agree with the general theme of that article I posted to on the previous page?

 

[useless]

There's definately something strange about that trade, you must admit Nivi.

 

[nivi]

Hamas didn't demand the Israeli soldier be freed. Israel did. This is just likely going to cause even more Israeli soldiers to be kidnapped.

Hamas demanded the release of 1000 prisoners, among them murderers and the senders of murderers. You can dance around it all you want.

 

[useless]

Hamas demanded the release of 1000 prisoners, among them murderers and the senders of murderers. You can dance around it all you want.

How can you be sure of that, though?

 

[nivi]

So then you'd agree with the general theme of that article I posted to on the previous page?

Yes I do, when I go to reserve duty, I know that if captured, there will be no stone left unturned to recover me safely, all soldiers know this, and it is ingrained right at the core of the army.

 

[nivi]

How can you be sure of that, though?

I am not going to justify the reason for jailing every single person on that list, the court already did that.
Although some were couhgt quite red handed, one guy's suicide vest didn't fully explode, so he only killed 1 Israeli and lost his legs, poor chap.

 

[JollyRoger]

Hamas demanded the release of 1000 prisoners, among them murderers and the senders of murderers. You can dance around it all you want.

Are you going to be on the dance floor regarding Israel actually releasing murderers?

 

[nivi]

Are you going to be on the dance floor regarding Israel actually releasing murderers?

There were many street dances in Gaza and the west bank, as well as celebration in Israel, for similar, and yet very different reasons.

 

[REDY]

I dunno if among relatives of victims of murders...

 

[JollyRoger]

There were many street dances in Gaza and the west bank, as well as celebration in Israel, for similar, and yet very different reasons.

Celebrating a bad trade?

 

[amadeus]

The agreement the Israeli government makes with it's soldiers is one for all and all for one. That is the way it is.

So what's the acceptable ratio of civilian deaths to returning captured slaves?

 

[Ajidica]

Moving away from the current tanget that doesn't look like it will end well, how does this impact Fatah?
Remember, one of the reasons Israel encouraged the proto-Hamas was to break PLO/Fatah control and unity. Given that Israeli really doesn't want the Fatah-lead West Bank to get UN Observer State status, might this in part be a ploy to weaken Fatah by giving Hamas more attention and cutting Fatah out from negoitation processes? If Israel wants to maintain the current status quo, Fatah is their biggest threat. Hamas can't do much more then shoot a few homemade rockets into Israel and because of their actions, is isolated internationaly.

 

[timtofly]

I assume that's supposed to be humorous.

No, but it would make sense, considering all the bickering going on in this thread. I am sure that Israel spends the least amount of money on prisoners as they can get away with and the pay and service that it places on it's military is worth a lot.

 

[nivi]

I dunno if among relatives of victims of murders...

Among those opinions were divided quite sharply, with one side arguing against the release of their relatives murders, while the other saying that Gilad is still alive, while their relatives aren't, and life is sacred.

 

[nivi]

Celebrating a bad trade?

Celebrating a wonderful trade.

So what's the acceptable ratio of civilian deaths to returning captured slaves?

Uh?

 

[JollyRoger]

Celebrating a wonderful trade.

So if I know I can get a 1000-for-1 deal, I encourage the next 1,000 while trying to capture the one. Great deal indeed.