Girl Faces Jail Time for Naming Rapists

[GoodGame]

So now the rights of rapists matter more than their victims? If they didn't want to be named, they shouldn't have raped her. Simple as that.

I'm guessing it had something to do with the plea bargain, and I guess it involved the fact that they were minors; would have to do a reading on the state's laws to really comment.

Like is said above, sexual crimes laws in some states are pretty complicated with regards to minor vs minor. If the minors aren't bumped up to adult status on the basis of charges and evidence, then they possibly have some special legal protections under state law.

 

[FriendlyFire]

My main problem with what she did was essentially vigilantism by taking the matters into her own hands. Now the court may show her some mercy in consideration of the circumstances, but she did violate a court order, and it should be addressed.

I am sure that the criminals are now going to be really happy that this story is not only nationalised but also internationalised by there own actions of trying to silence the victim. A really smart move by them to catapult this into the media.

I just want to point out that while this is true she did break a court order, given that the rapist (or sexual assault) got a lenient sentence what do you think will be the outcome by the courts against the victim here ? May show her some mercy ?

Come now Mobboss.

 

[caketastydelish]

The technicality of whether or not she deserves to be in jail is in my opinion, undisputed. She broke the law, and thus should be in jail.

I would say the law itself is at fault here, but she should still follow it, just like everyone else.

This goes back to the discussion I've had with other posters about anonymous. It doesn't matter if your cause is good. If you break the law, you will be punished. Plain and simple.

Frankly I hope those people that raped her are punished to the highest degree the law allows. But she should still abide by the law. Just like everyone is is held to that standard.

 

[Synobun]

The technicality of whether or not she deserves to be in jail is in my opinion, undisputed. She broke the law, and thus should be in jail.

I would say the law itself is at fault here, but she should still follow it, just like everyone else.

This goes back to the discussion I've had with other posters about anonymous. It doesn't matter if your cause is good. If you break the law, you will be punished. Plain and simple.

Frankly I hope those people that raped her are punished to the highest degree the law allows. But she should still abide by the law. Just like everyone is is held to that standard.

Is it a law to be an obedient clown in your state?

 

[LucyDuke]

I don't like this. Sexual assault, sex crimes are adult crimes. The way juveniles are charged as adults bothers me sometimes but perpetrators of sex crimes should pretty much always be charged as adults. Problem solved?

 

[caketastydelish]

Is it a law to be an obedient clown in your state?

Word it however you like, but if you break the law, you face punishment. They had an agreement, which she broke it.

Let me put it to you another way:

Let's say I am supporting my family, and they need the income from my job. If I am late to work, they will fire me. I do not have time to go to work one morning, and I must speed in order to get there on time.

If a cop catches me speeding, he can (and should) pull me over and stop me, giving me a ticket. He should not "have a heart" because of my special situation. The law either applies to everyone, or it applies to no one.

edit: @ lucy the law has many things I disagree with when it comes to this sort of thing. A young woman (I think she was 18) gave her 16 year old boyfriend a sexual favor. (was consensual) Because the boy was seen as a minor while she is an adult, now she is a registered sex offender and this has really hurt her life.

The law has many things such as this which I would simply disagree with. The proper way to fight it is to spread the message to others about why the law is wrong, and demand the changes from politicians. Breaking laws that you disagree with is not the way to solve this.

 

[Synobun]

Word it however you like, but if you break the law, you face punishment. They had an agreement, which she broke it.

Let me put it to you another way:

Let's say I am supporting my family, and they need the income from my job. If I am late to work, they will fire me. I do not have time to go to work one morning, and I must speed in order to get there on time.

If a cop catches me speeding, he can (and should) pull me over and stop me, giving me a ticket. He should not "have a heart" because of my special situation. The law either applies to everyone, or it applies to no one.

Surprisingly enough, life isn't black and white.

 

[caketastydelish]

Surprisingly enough, life isn't black and white.

When it comes to the law, it should be. Otherwise, there isn't much point in having the law in the first place.

 

[Synobun]

When it comes to the law, it should be. Otherwise, there isn't much point in having the law in the first place.

That is such an incredibly stupid position that it's not even worth refuting.

 

[caketastydelish]

That is such an incredibly stupid position that it's not even worth refuting.

Morals (what's right and whats wrong) is subjective and simply depends on who you ask.

The law, is something that is concrete. What an insult it would be to lawyers that have spent years in law school to say otherwise.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I don't like this. Sexual assault, sex crimes are adult crimes. The way juveniles are charged as adults bothers me sometimes but perpetrators of sex crimes should pretty much always be charged as adults. Problem solved?

Yep. I see it the same way. The public has the right to know who has committed sexual assault or rape no matter their age. Perhaps it might help someone from becoming a victim at a later date.

It is also something that should never be expunged from his record, just like any other serious felony.

 

[caketastydelish]

Yep. I see it the same way. The public has the right to know who has committed sexual assault or rape no matter their age. Perhaps it might help someone from becoming a victim at a later date.

It is also something that should never be expunged from his record.

Indeed. I hope a petition is formed to get the law changed. I would sign it!

 

[choxorn]

edit: @ lucy the law has many things I disagree with when it comes to this sort of thing. A young woman (I think she was 18) gave her 16 year old boyfriend a sexual favor. (was consensual) Because the boy was seen as a minor while she is an adult, now she is a registered sex offender and this has really hurt her life.

While there's no denying that Age of Consent Laws can sometimes be objectively and completely ridiculous, I'd say that clearly nonconsensual sex (like this) is pretty clearly rape regardless of the ages of those involved.

 

[caketastydelish]

While there's no denying that Age of Consent Laws can sometimes be objectively and completely ridiculous, I'd say that clearly nonconsensual sex (like this) is pretty clearly rape regardless of the ages of those involved.

Indeed. I encourage all of you to write your congressmen to get the law changed. If enough of us do it, change will happen. My opinion is that this should be on these boys record for the rest of their life, and they SHOULD be in jail. If you rape, you should always go to jail. I can't think of a single exception where I'd say otherwise.

That would be a good law, too.

 

[Artifis]

Poor girl, but she knew full well the consequences of her vigilantism. Let the courts decide if she should be punished for her actions.

I don't like this. Sexual assault, sex crimes are adult crimes. The way juveniles are charged as adults bothers me sometimes but perpetrators of sex crimes should pretty much always be charged as adults. Problem solved?

Yep. I see it the same way. The public has the right to know who has committed sexual assault or rape no matter their age. Perhaps it might help someone from becoming a victim at a later date.

It is also something that should never be expunged from his record, just like any other serious felony.

I'll have to disagree with you there. Why should we trial juveniles sex offenders like adults, when they're still probably not mature enough to fully comprehend the severity of their actions? I'm not saying it lessens from the horror of what they did, but it's like trying to give a thirteen year old the death penalty for murder.

 

[LucyDuke]

The proper way to fight it is to spread the message to others about why the law is wrong, and demand the changes from politicians. Breaking laws that you disagree with is not the way to solve this.

I think in some cases it is. This is getting this attention because the victim did what she felt was right.

Yep. I see it the same way. The public has the right to know who has committed sexual assault or rape no matter their age. Perhaps it might help someone from becoming a victim at a later date.

It is also something that should never be expunged from his record, just like any other serious felony.

For the most part I agree, but we need to be careful to not get all zero-tolerance about it. A youngish child that technically commits a relatively minor sexual assault should get leniency that a teenager wouldn't. Laws should be written with clear explanations of their intentions and shouldn't be applied to cases that only meet the technicalities but weren't the intended target of the law.

EDIT: Artifis, I hope this post clarifies that I don't mean an all-or-nothing approach. And certainly not execution.

 

[Formaldehyde]

No, I'm talking about high school aged kids such as this who take advantage of a drunk girl at a party. That is the sort of behavior that everybody should know about because it can quite likely occur again.

 

[choxorn]

For the most part I agree, but we need to be careful to not get all zero-tolerance about it. A youngish child that technically commits a relatively minor sexual assault should get leniency that a teenager wouldn't. Laws should be written with clear explanations of their intentions and shouldn't be applied to cases that only meet the technicalities but weren't the intended target of the law.

If only it were that easy... problem is, you constantly get things that are kind of but kind of not crossing the line the law intended to create, regardless of where it draws said line.

 

[caketastydelish]

No, I'm talking about high school aged kids such as this who take advantage of a drunk girl at a party. That is the sort of behavior that everybody should know about because it can quite likely occur again.

Precisely. They are old enough to be held accountable for what they did, and they should.

I think in some cases it is. This is getting this attention because the victim did what she felt was right.

I know why it's getting attention. I'll even go as far to say that it should be getting attention. Doesn't mean she shouldn't be punished for breaking the law. I just think the rapists deserve to be in jail too, and frankly, much longer than she should.

 

[LucyDuke]

No, I'm talking about high school aged kids such as this who take advantage of a drunk girl at a party. That is the sort of behavior that everybody should know about because it can quite likely occur again.

Then we're agreed.

If only it were that easy... problem is, you constantly get things that are kind of but kind of not crossing the line the law intended to create, regardless of where it draws said line.

That's exactly the point. We're already in that situation, so we ought to try to improve it as much as we can.

I know why it's getting attention. I'll even go as far to say that it should be getting attention. Doesn't mean she shouldn't be punished for breaking the law. I just think the rapists deserve to be in jail too, and frankly, much longer than she should.

Yes, no contradiction with what I said.