Giving Up The Argument

[Azash]

I've noticed that a lot of people here on the OT tend to hold on to their arguments as hard as they can. When someone is faced with evidence one cannot disprove, rational and ingenious topics often descend into flamefests not seen since the last barbecue in Baator.

What is your opinion? Discuss.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

You're wrong. Your argument is weak. This is so ridiculous that I'm not even going to consider. It's typical liberal propaganda.

Or, in other words, yes. You're far too right.

 

[Tulkas12]

This topic sounds flamatory to me. . . LOL

You better reword or post a link before I report it. . .LOL

O I'm just kidding.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

I think you maybe right but it's not everyone. In fairness I don't think it's even half. There are quite a few people on CFC who will agree to disagree.

There are too many people who take posts too personally. Refusing to accept evidence in contridiction of their ideas or, even worse, believing a post demonstrating a different point of view to be an insult.

Besides, you didn't prove your argument and even if you had I would have said all statistics are flawed

 

[Tulkas12]

You're wrong. Your argument is weak. This is so ridiculous that I'm not even going to consider. It's typical liberal propaganda.

Or, in other words, yes. You're far too right.

Though this is a good point for any "righty" here. We are the minority. Now this has become flamatory, though I care not. If someone defends their position in a way that seems irrational to you maybe its because you're not being as rational as you'd like to think?

 

[Tulkas12]

I think you maybe right but it's not everyone. In fairness I don't think it's even half. There are quite a few people on CFC who will agree to disagree.

There are too many people who take posts too personally. Refusing to accept evidence in contridiction of their ideas or, even worse, believing a post demonstrating a different point of view to be an insult.

Now this isn't being very honest now is it. C'mon man, its not like this isn't obvious who you think you're talking about, the problem of this is anyone who responds on both sides is guilty of this. Maybe that was your point, maybe not.

 

[usarmy18]

I believe what I believe. If someone can prove me wrong in a debate then I can accept that. Though I notice alot of what I post on hot topics is generally disregarded as "propaganda, ignorance, or brainwashing." So I casually just ignore that user from there on out. So yes, I guess I give up on a debate if I'm proven wrong.

 

[Truronian]

I have been known to give up my position. Generally on scientific matters though...

 

[covok48]

I tend to say f' it after posting the origianl comment and about 2 replies. I said what I needed to say, it's in writing, i'm through with it. This is especially true when the arguement takes a philosophical approach and people start throwing around dictionary definitions and crap like that.

 

[Sidhe]

There are some people, when there argument lies burning in ruins and all there commrades long since fled will just have to keep going(it is now a matter of pride,even though that checked out with there fallen allies) There argument may be invalid but on they plod returning to old points, ignoring the logic of the argument, trying to change the argument to something else they might get a small point on. Thing is when your talking crap no matter how long you want to draw it out, everyone knows it and continuing simply reinforces the point to that you are losing to everyone else, it's important to recognise this point, you don't even have to admit it, most likely if your dragging yourself over the carnage of wrecked logic you wont.

When the topic arises again though make an effort not to join in, because the same trite nonsense that was shot down the last time, will be so again, and frankly we've heard it. Me I often get bored when I've made my points, and when certain nameless opponents raise there heads you just don't have the will to continue talking, they wont recognise that debate is a two way process, they just secure themselves in their fall out shelter and procede to assert that nothing they ever say can ever be wrong. good to prod them every now and then but ultimately pointless, they no doubt take this attitude into real life and people avoid getting into a discussion with them because it's never worth the effort.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

Whether you beleive it has been endowed by a creator or not, it is imprinted on our minds as we grow older tohang on to our beleifs. Even with ireefutable odds the human mind naturally rejects anything but its own beleifs. So heres my take, if its an adult, I highly doubt you can sway them on a beleif, if its a kid, becuase the above described mechanism hasnt yet kicked in in full effect they will be swayed. But alas, creation tied of all the loose ends and the young mans natural rebelious imprint will not allow him to admit the change, and therefor his mind is action tricked into the illusion that he still beleives his original beleifs.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Now this isn't being very honest now is it. C'mon man, its not like this isn't obvious who you think you're talking about, the problem of this is anyone who responds on both sides is guilty of this. Maybe that was your point, maybe not.

Who do you think I'm talking about? PM me if you don't want to post the names.

 

[Perfection]

On occasion I'll continue to post after the opposition has largely convinced me otherwise, I often play devil's advocate as a means of getting a better handle on the situation and to hear what people say about certain minutae of the issue.

 

[Sidhe]

Whether you beleive it has been endowed by a creator or not, it is imprinted on our minds as we grow older tohang on to our beleifs. Even with ireefutable odds the human mind naturally rejects anything but its own beleifs. So heres my take, if its an adult, I highly doubt you can sway them on a beleif, if its a kid, becuase the above described mechanism hasnt yet kicked in in full effect they will be swayed. But alas, creation tied of all the loose ends and the young mans natural rebelious imprint will not allow him to admit the change, and therefor his mind is action tricked into the illusion that he still beleives his original beleifs.

I disagree actually, people will become less ardent in their beliefs sometimes when faced with logic, they'll question them, it may appear that they still hold them but deep down inside is a sliver of self doubt that could if nurtured lead to there hard held beliefs changing, doubtfull but I've seen it happen a number of times in real life mainly; on here though you're unlikely to see it, they'll just dissapear and so you never really know. Me I'm still in the mindset of the immature teen, so I tend to be as swayable as I was then

 

[usarmy18]

I disagree actually, people will become less ardent in their beliefs sometimes when faced with logic, they'll question them, it may appear that they still hold them but deep down inside is a sliver of self doubt that could if nurtured lead to there hard held beliefs changing, doubtfull but I've seen it happen a number of times in real life mainly; on here though you're unlikely you'll see it, they'll just dissapear and so you never really know. Me I'm still in the mindset of the immature teen, so I tend to be as swayable as I was then

Then come join me, join the Dark Side. I am your father....

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'm usually right , but I've been known to admit defeat in debate, yes.

 

[azzaman333]

In any situation, if i am even slightly unsure if i am completely right, i am willing to change my opinion.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

I disagree actually, people will become less ardent in their beliefs sometimes when faced with logic, they'll question them, it may appear that they still hold them but deep down inside is a sliver of self doubt that could if nurtured lead to there hard held beliefs changing, doubtfull but I've seen it happen a number of times in real life mainly; on here though you're unlikely you'll see it, they'll just dissapear and so you never really know. Me I'm still in the mindset of the immature teen, so I tend to be as swayable as I was then

Well blast, my degree is going nowhere.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

I disagree actually, people will become less ardent in their beliefs sometimes when faced with logic, they'll question them, it may appear that they still hold them but deep down inside is a sliver of self doubt that could if nurtured lead to there hard held beliefs changing, doubtfull but I've seen it happen a number of times in real life mainly; on here though you're unlikely you'll see it, they'll just dissapear and so you never really know. Me I'm still in the mindset of the immature teen, so I tend to be as swayable as I was then

Personally, I hate the over used "logic" on CFC. "Think logically and you will see... " is not an argument that will change my mind for two reasons. One, 'think logically'? What was I thinking before? Secondly, there is no 'logic' constant throughout the world. One man's logic is anothers irrationality.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

I think to many people on CFC rely on "logic", you know, everyone on CFC relies to heavily on "logic", which is precisely why none of you have a girlfriend.