GK2- The Training Day Experiment
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TemporalAnomaly
Timelord
I just noticed a few things:
Germany has no Iron within its borders and is reliing on french imports.
Germany's only gunpoweder is near frankfort and would be cut off immedialy under the war plan.
Russia has no Iron on her mainland.
Russia's only source of gunpowder is on the coast.
In typical AI style neither france nor England has built a port.
A fur city would fixt the english trande prodblem.
France....
Maybe we should build a road from Rouen to Coventry. It's on the great salt lake and a city south of Frankfort would serve as a canal.
What ever sall we do?
Germany has no Iron within its borders and is reliing on french imports.
Germany's only gunpoweder is near frankfort and would be cut off immedialy under the war plan.
Russia has no Iron on her mainland.
Russia's only source of gunpowder is on the coast.
In typical AI style neither france nor England has built a port.
A fur city would fixt the english trande prodblem.
France....
Maybe we should build a road from Rouen to Coventry. It's on the great salt lake and a city south of Frankfort would serve as a canal.
What ever sall we do?
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Hey Bede, little bit to add on for you on the luxury vs resouces trading... Trading a resource will also cause civs to be friendly, as long as the resource isn't in easy reach. And even if they do attack, their source for the resource is also gone, so they you may get hit with a intial wave of heavy attacks, but within 5-10 turns they should have used up whatever they have. Also, if you have a resource, you are advanced enough to fight against the units that are produced by that resource. I can't remember trading a resource to a civ and have them attack me though, but I have had them attack MANY times to cancel a GPT deal in my favor.
And suggestion for the team on the direction to go: With a contient between you and the AI, and this being on Monarch, you will not see more then a few units that should be easily dealt with, especially if you put a nice garrision of defenders in the coastal cities. During this time, they will turn off research, maybe hire Bill Nye, and will only build units. You on the other hand, will have a full army ready for invasion, and continue your building game unabated while you can practice your warmonging skills on the East. I'm not sure on the tech race at this point in the game, but 1 suggestion... wait until Harbors can connect the contients or else you'll have a hell of a time keeping people in the newly conquoured cities happy.
War isn't possible now, (or at least it wasn't when I last touched it, which was probably about a round ago), but with the current Empire, a decent army should be able to be built within 20 turns, if not sooner. It does suck that there is no port city for you to land troops, but that's easilly fixed by landing your SECOND wave of units with a settler... you can land in someone's culture and as long as you're at war you can build a city in his culture. Put up that city, rush a harbor for 200 gold, and you are already connected. Take the 20 turns, build up, make sure you can trade over ocean tiles, and you'll be ready to do whatever you'd like to the AI over there... just don't wipe them out! This needs to go to Space.
PS - Anyone heard from Gangis at all? In any shape or form?
And suggestion for the team on the direction to go: With a contient between you and the AI, and this being on Monarch, you will not see more then a few units that should be easily dealt with, especially if you put a nice garrision of defenders in the coastal cities. During this time, they will turn off research, maybe hire Bill Nye, and will only build units. You on the other hand, will have a full army ready for invasion, and continue your building game unabated while you can practice your warmonging skills on the East. I'm not sure on the tech race at this point in the game, but 1 suggestion... wait until Harbors can connect the contients or else you'll have a hell of a time keeping people in the newly conquoured cities happy.
War isn't possible now, (or at least it wasn't when I last touched it, which was probably about a round ago), but with the current Empire, a decent army should be able to be built within 20 turns, if not sooner. It does suck that there is no port city for you to land troops, but that's easilly fixed by landing your SECOND wave of units with a settler... you can land in someone's culture and as long as you're at war you can build a city in his culture. Put up that city, rush a harbor for 200 gold, and you are already connected. Take the 20 turns, build up, make sure you can trade over ocean tiles, and you'll be ready to do whatever you'd like to the AI over there... just don't wipe them out! This needs to go to Space.
PS - Anyone heard from Gangis at all? In any shape or form?
Mistfit
Deity
I've not heard anything from Gengis since....August? or was it earlier than that? Anyway nice to hear from you Alerum. I figured you were to busy to stop by here with all of the Aiel taking up your time. I will say that you missed your post by a couple though. 
peacemonger
Chieftain
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Hey, saw Bede's post about needing a couple new trainees. I'd be game. Unless Bede will get sick of me, since I'm in the http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2396826 training game too. How far along is the game, and how far back do you recommend reading to get up to speed? (I read the first 20 or so pages a while back, very useful stuff)
TemporalAnomaly
Timelord
@peacemonger
We control our entire continant (except for one stupid english settler that snuck in when we wern't looking) are in the late middle ages. We are now at a cross roads try to deside what to do (with the Eastern hemisphere) untill the space race. I personally found pages 1 - 100 most instructive.
We control our entire continant (except for one stupid english settler that snuck in when we wern't looking) are in the late middle ages. We are now at a cross roads try to deside what to do (with the Eastern hemisphere) untill the space race. I personally found pages 1 - 100 most instructive.
TemporalAnomaly
Timelord
To: all experianced warmongers
What sized invation force would we need for the military objectives I outlined above?
Random thought:
We might be able to beat the east to JSB; maybe we should...
What sized invation force would we need for the military objectives I outlined above?
Random thought:
We might be able to beat the east to JSB; maybe we should...
, welcome peacemonger. Good to see you dive in.Brief Summary: Short term objective of continental control is met, except for that pesky little English town.
Medium term objective is build up the economy to support high research rates.
Long term objective is get to Space, after bringing the benefits of Democracy to the the World.
And a big Howdy to Alerum!! How goes it, dude?
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
I goes rough. Have finals next week and a busy work load even though it's the slow time of year. Hopefully should be able to jump into an SG after the 15th sometime though, so we'll see.
Mistfit
Deity
Somthing is wrong with the world... I actually beat Sir Bugsy in COTM06 
He musta been playing with one hand tied behind his back I was very pleased with my efforts last month I ended up in 22nd place with a domination win in 1255AD . Gator on the other hand gave me a sound and thourough butt whuppin' finishing in 10th place and a Dom Victory in 850AD. Thanks again for all of your teachings!
He musta been playing with one hand tied behind his back I was very pleased with my efforts last month I ended up in 22nd place with a domination win in 1255AD . Gator on the other hand gave me a sound and thourough butt whuppin' finishing in 10th place and a Dom Victory in 850AD. Thanks again for all of your teachings!
and don't I know it) But well done Mistfit, 22nd puts you in amongst the big boys. 
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Well done Mistfit! I think you don't need to be a student anymore.
Mistfit
Deity
Now I son't know about that. I still have a lot of things to learn to get to be an elite player. As an update I hope to play my turns tonight. Sorry for the lag
Mistfit
Deity
Update: I'm 1/2 way done with the turnset.
We now know Metallurgy - Nationalism - 1/2 way to Steam. I've Settled 3 towns. Bought a bunch of city improvements and pretty well have spent all of our cash. More to come tonight.
We now know Metallurgy - Nationalism - 1/2 way to Steam. I've Settled 3 towns. Bought a bunch of city improvements and pretty well have spent all of our cash. More to come tonight.
Mistfit
Deity
1000 AD SAVE (Gator you need to update your sig...I almost played the wrong turns...Again 
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Set preferences.
Buy Spices from Germany for Dyes - Wines - Gunpowder and Banking
Buy Ivory from Russia for Democracy Astromony and Wines
Buy Music Theory from France for Wines and Dyes
Turn Lux slider down to 0% (all cities still green ) we gain about 90gpt from this
Switch susa to JS Bach from Wealth. MM city to build it in 25 turns.
Hurry the marketplace in Pasargadae for 64 gold.
Rush the temple in Gayagaahe for 160 gold
Rush the Lib in Gandasetaigon for 104 gold
Switch the build in Geronimo from courthouse (won't help IMO) to Settler rush it for 12 gold.
Switch the build in Nara from courthouse to Settler and rush it for 68 gold
Switch the build in Concord from Aqueduct to Settler (the city can grow past size 6 with all of that desert around) Rush for 56 Gold.
Rush the Aqueduct in Kyoto for 120 gold
Rush a few other things as well
IBT:
Kyoto Aqueduct to Market
Pasargadae Aqueduct to Courthouse
Concord Settler to Settler
Antioch Courthouse to Aqueduct
Tarsus Aqueduct to Courthouse
Awwesasne Uni to Courthouse
Geronimo Settler to Settler
Sidon Aqueduct to Market
Nara Settler to Settler
Camp Mistic Aqueduct to Harbor
Panama Aqueduct to Market
Tyre Aqueduct to Market
Gandasetaigon Lib to Aqueduct
Gayagaahe Temple to Harbor
Turn One (930AD)
Join a few workers that can use the size (Editorial: In after thought this was a mistake with Steam comming so quickly)
Rush the Harbor in Chondote for 200 Gold
Build Gewauga as a fishing villiage start on a harbor
Turn down Science to 40%
IBT:
Condote Harbor to Aqueduct
Turn Two (940AD)
Join some workers into Ganogeh to bring to size six. Change production to Aqueduct. Rush it.
Switch production in Sidon to a harbor and rush it.
Finish optimisimg the tiles around Oil Spring Copernicius is now due in 6.
Settle Goigouen (fishing villa) and start a harbor
Settle Kawauka (fishing villa) and start on a harbor
IBT:
Learn Metallurgy and start on Steam
Gift Russia Chemisrty and Economy - Physics and Metallurgy - ToG and Magnets. She gets Nationalism
Gift Otto Chem - Econ - Physics - Metallurgy - ToG and Magnets. He Gets Nationalism
Trade WM - Silk 35 gpt and 1800gold for Nationalism
Zimbabwe - Lib to Uni
Hlobane Courthouse to Lib
Gordium Courthouse to Uni
Khnawake Aqueduct to Uni
Sidon Harbor to Market
Ganogeh Aqueduct to Market
Turn Three (950AD)
Turn science to 80% to get Steam in 4. Adjust Specialist to bring us back to Breaking Even. (or close to it )
IBT
I lost the notes for this IBT Sorry
Turn Four (960AD)
Work...and work some more
Switch Panama to a Harbor
Switch Tarsus to a Harbor
IBT
Persepolis Uni to Courthouse
Tonawanda Uni to Bank
Our Cultural influance expands into the Reading Territory
Good!
The English are building Coper's
Turn Five (970AD)
Work. Set up for comming steam.
Trade England our WM for her TM and 13 gold and discover a new pc of land in the far SW
IBT
Objiwe Aqueduct to Market
English are building Shake's
Turn Six (980AD)
Work and Move
France learns Navagation
Everyone else learns Free Artistry
Trade Nationalism to France for Navagation - WM - and 14 gold
Trade Navagation and World map to Germany for 450 gold and WM
Trade Navagation to Russia for WM - 5gpt and 14 gold
Trade Navagation and Magnets to England for Free Artistry
IBT
Learn Steam and Start Electric 5 turns at 80% +28gpt
Hanging garden goes Obsolete
WallStreet Finishes in Salamanca Start Shakes Theater (prebuild for ToG?)
St Regis Bank to Uni
Germans building Bach's
Turn Seven (990AD)
We have no coal...just kidding, we have at least 4 sources
I know it's not considered good form to trade so late in a turnset but I couldn't pass this up:
Trade Germany Steam for 105 gold, 102 gpt and WM
The Reason I thought this was so good is the Fact that he has no coal
Once he builds up his war chest we can bankrupt him for that trade as well.
Start some Rail Projects
Rush the Lib in Satsuma
IBT
Joan comes a knocking and wants a MPP and a ROP...you're cute but not that cute (sorry Bugsy) how about a gift of 15 gold.
Satsuma finishes and starts somthing
Coper's finishes in Oil Springs start a Catherdral
Centralia finishes a Uni and starts a courthouse
Akwesasne finishes a Courthouse and starts a worker
More Border Expansion around Reading (English) we now are wrapping around their territory.
French are building Bach's
Germans are building Newton's
Turn Eight (1000AD)
Settle Kente on the W side of the ex Japanese lands and start a harbor
Post Game Comments:
This looks like a good date to stop. A nice even number. Well not a mind blowing turnset but some action took place. I did get 5 techs in 8 turns, and 3 of them useful. I have to believe that Reading should have a pretty good chance to flip to us now. I've created a few new cities. The next player should go through and MM the Cities. I did not. Sorry. I think this would be a great time to switch to Democracy for the 150% worker bonus and the Minimal Waste. I'm sorry that I joined some of the workers. I completely forgot about steam until to late. I don't think I have anyone on auto move, but if I do forgive me. I think we should be able to rip some more workers off pretty quickly because we are running out of things to build. When the steam work crews get around Cattaragus make sure you mine some of it's tiles, this city is at size 12 with way to much food. Why doesn't Ganogeh show a granary in the city?
8gpt - WM - 30 gold could be gotten from Russia for either iron or Steam. I wish England would get off her butt and build a Harbor so we can trade for her Furs.
)Preturn:
Set preferences.
Buy Spices from Germany for Dyes - Wines - Gunpowder and Banking
Buy Ivory from Russia for Democracy Astromony and Wines
Buy Music Theory from France for Wines and Dyes
Turn Lux slider down to 0% (all cities still green
) we gain about 90gpt from thisSwitch susa to JS Bach from Wealth. MM city to build it in 25 turns.
Hurry the marketplace in Pasargadae for 64 gold.
Rush the temple in Gayagaahe for 160 gold
Rush the Lib in Gandasetaigon for 104 gold
Switch the build in Geronimo from courthouse (won't help IMO) to Settler rush it for 12 gold.
Switch the build in Nara from courthouse to Settler and rush it for 68 gold
Switch the build in Concord from Aqueduct to Settler (the city can grow past size 6 with all of that desert around) Rush for 56 Gold.
Rush the Aqueduct in Kyoto for 120 gold
Rush a few other things as well
IBT:
Kyoto Aqueduct to Market
Pasargadae Aqueduct to Courthouse
Concord Settler to Settler
Antioch Courthouse to Aqueduct
Tarsus Aqueduct to Courthouse
Awwesasne Uni to Courthouse
Geronimo Settler to Settler
Sidon Aqueduct to Market
Nara Settler to Settler
Camp Mistic Aqueduct to Harbor
Panama Aqueduct to Market
Tyre Aqueduct to Market
Gandasetaigon Lib to Aqueduct
Gayagaahe Temple to Harbor
Turn One (930AD)
Join a few workers that can use the size (Editorial: In after thought this was a mistake with Steam comming so quickly)
Rush the Harbor in Chondote for 200 Gold
Build Gewauga as a fishing villiage start on a harbor
Turn down Science to 40%
IBT:
Condote Harbor to Aqueduct
Turn Two (940AD)
Join some workers into Ganogeh to bring to size six. Change production to Aqueduct. Rush it.
Switch production in Sidon to a harbor and rush it.
Finish optimisimg the tiles around Oil Spring Copernicius is now due in 6.
Settle Goigouen (fishing villa) and start a harbor
Settle Kawauka (fishing villa) and start on a harbor
IBT:
Learn Metallurgy and start on Steam
Gift Russia Chemisrty and Economy - Physics and Metallurgy - ToG and Magnets. She gets Nationalism
Gift Otto Chem - Econ - Physics - Metallurgy - ToG and Magnets. He Gets Nationalism
Trade WM - Silk 35 gpt and 1800gold for Nationalism
Zimbabwe - Lib to Uni
Hlobane Courthouse to Lib
Gordium Courthouse to Uni
Khnawake Aqueduct to Uni
Sidon Harbor to Market
Ganogeh Aqueduct to Market
Turn Three (950AD)
Turn science to 80% to get Steam in 4. Adjust Specialist to bring us back to Breaking Even. (or close to it
)IBT
I lost the notes for this IBT Sorry
Turn Four (960AD)
Work...and work some more
Switch Panama to a Harbor
Switch Tarsus to a Harbor
IBT
Persepolis Uni to Courthouse
Tonawanda Uni to Bank
Our Cultural influance expands into the Reading Territory
Good!The English are building Coper's
Turn Five (970AD)
Work. Set up for comming steam.
Trade England our WM for her TM and 13 gold and discover a new pc of land in the far SW
IBT
Objiwe Aqueduct to Market
English are building Shake's
Turn Six (980AD)
Work and Move
France learns Navagation
Everyone else learns Free Artistry
Trade Nationalism to France for Navagation - WM - and 14 gold
Trade Navagation and World map to Germany for 450 gold and WM
Trade Navagation to Russia for WM - 5gpt and 14 gold
Trade Navagation and Magnets to England for Free Artistry
IBT
Learn Steam and Start Electric 5 turns at 80% +28gpt
Hanging garden goes Obsolete
WallStreet Finishes in Salamanca Start Shakes Theater (prebuild for ToG?)
St Regis Bank to Uni
Germans building Bach's
Turn Seven (990AD)
We have no coal...just kidding, we have at least 4 sources
I know it's not considered good form to trade so late in a turnset but I couldn't pass this up:
Trade Germany Steam for 105 gold, 102 gpt and WM
The Reason I thought this was so good is the Fact that he has no coal
Once he builds up his war chest we can bankrupt him for that trade as well.Start some Rail Projects
Rush the Lib in Satsuma
IBT
Joan comes a knocking and wants a MPP and a ROP...you're cute but not that cute (sorry Bugsy) how about a gift of 15 gold.
Satsuma finishes and starts somthing
Coper's finishes in Oil Springs start a Catherdral
Centralia finishes a Uni and starts a courthouse
Akwesasne finishes a Courthouse and starts a worker
More Border Expansion around Reading (English) we now are wrapping around their territory.
French are building Bach's
Germans are building Newton's
Turn Eight (1000AD)
Settle Kente on the W side of the ex Japanese lands and start a harbor
Post Game Comments:
This looks like a good date to stop. A nice even number. Well not a mind blowing turnset but some action took place. I did get 5 techs in 8 turns, and 3 of them useful. I have to believe that Reading should have a pretty good chance to flip to us now. I've created a few new cities. The next player should go through and MM the Cities. I did not. Sorry. I think this would be a great time to switch to Democracy for the 150% worker bonus and the Minimal Waste. I'm sorry that I joined some of the workers. I completely forgot about steam until to late. I don't think I have anyone on auto move, but if I do forgive me. I think we should be able to rip some more workers off pretty quickly because we are running out of things to build. When the steam work crews get around Cattaragus make sure you mine some of it's tiles, this city is at size 12 with way to much food. Why doesn't Ganogeh show a granary in the city?
8gpt - WM - 30 gold could be gotten from Russia for either iron or Steam. I wish England would get off her butt and build a Harbor so we can trade for her Furs.
Looking at the save now....
, looks like you been taking lessons from the Profligate Bede. Started in 920AD with nearly 4K in the bank, in eight turns it is <1k, but income has gone up 30% and research 55%....Amazing the kind of results that can get you isn't it?
Roster check:
KayEss - up And here is the save
vipr- on deck
peacemonger
Temporal
Everybody please confirm.
, looks like you been taking lessons from the Profligate Bede. Started in 920AD with nearly 4K in the bank, in eight turns it is <1k, but income has gone up 30% and research 55%....Amazing the kind of results that can get you isn't it?Roster check:
KayEss - up And here is the save
vipr- on deck
peacemonger
Temporal
Everybody please confirm.
TemporalAnomaly
Timelord
I still haven't gotten ![[civ3]](/images/smilies/civ3.gif "Civ3 Icon [civ3]")
to work so, unless we want to port this to ![[ptw]](/images/smilies/ptw.gif "PTW Icon [ptw]")
, I will have to keep my training to lurking and comenting.
to work so, unless we want to port this to , I will have to keep my training to lurking and comenting.
War, or peace, Peace, or war.....
One of the objectives of the trainers was to experience inter-continental war. Doing it with galleons and frigates can expand your logistical skills to the max.....
Another objective was to experience all useful governments: Monarchy, Republic, Democracy.
So, let's put the two together.
Oh, make sure you pick a fight with the guy who can really hurt you....
One of the objectives of the trainers was to experience inter-continental war. Doing it with galleons and frigates can expand your logistical skills to the max.....
Another objective was to experience all useful governments: Monarchy, Republic, Democracy.
So, let's put the two together.
Oh, make sure you pick a fight with the guy who can really hurt you....
