Global Warming is a Fad

[imperfect.la]

Whatever, dude. Your other OP about AA and its honorary mention of "code-pink" liberals also betray your inclination. You can say whatever you want about your noble intentions, but your tone and content give it away.

And what makes you think I'm offended? I'm actually rather amused. Stuff that I think is ridiculous on the internet usually amuses me.

Yes, my pro-AA thread is clear indication I am a hard-core anti-liberal conservative. Reading in between the lines again, are we? You misunderstand my threads, I suppose. I'm not pushing a partisan agenda, being a fairly liberal person myself. I just realize there are liberal douches as well as conservative ones. I suggest you look past classifiying everyone into one category.

 

[aelf]

Oh, but you just condemned people along party lines and that is not partisan?

You must realise that authorial intention can be falsified. People are free not to buy what you said because of how you said it.

 

[JollyRoger]

I just realize there are liberal douches as well as conservative ones. I suggest you look past classifiying everyone into one category.

I don't think it is necessary to qualify you with liberal or conservative to get to the basic classification.

 

[imperfect.la]

If you feel this thread is an attack on liberals in general, there's probably nothing I can say to sway your opinion. I'm more critical of my own family than of others. All that I ask is you focus on the OP and not of discussion of my political affiliation.

 

[illram]

My post isn't designed to condemn anyone, but to steer them to the right track and explain why current methods aren't working. Just an opinion piece.

The problem is your "opinion" seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy where every attempt to act on or advance an energy saving alternative will be seen as a uppity-liberal holier-than-thou swipe at the mouth-breathing riffraff who you, as a self identified rich Blackhawk elitist, apparently know how to communicate with. Apparently you are a better type of elitist or something?

For example, people who drive Prius's "piss you off" because, even though they don't explicitly say it, you are able to somehow perceive "the snobby undertones." Snobs! How dare they try and save money on gasoline! Who do they think they are?

The only person on the defensive is yourself. Any attempt to advance a solution will meet your derision because it can be explained away as liberal snobbery. This is a very old line in the sand artificially drawn by conservatives and I really see nothing useful in your use of it now, other than to continue this old and tired bit about how no one should listen to the left because they all just "talk down" to the common folk. Blah blah blah heard it all before.

 

[JollyRoger]

The OP seems to be that liberals are at fault for conservatives being wrong.

 

[aelf]

If you feel this thread is an attack on liberals in general, there's probably nothing I can say to sway your opinion. I'm more critical of my own family than of others. All that I ask is you focus on the OP and not of discussion of my political affiliation.

Ironically, I didn't start out discussing your political affiliation and didn't discuss it until the last 2 posts that were in reply to you. I only remarked on the possible political trends surrounding the issue of global warming. You are the one who made into a personal political affiliation issue

 

[lovett]

What are you talking about?

Try that the post starts with a committed assertion that

"Global warming is an undeniable fact, based on scientific opinion, and shouldn't be something to be uncertain about"

Clearly the OP is not a global-warming denier.

Rather, he's raising the possibility that the current proponents of Enviromentalism as per Global Warming are perhaps no longer the best people for the job. Mainly because a lot of people think they're "whiners, hypocrites, and self-righteous douches". This means said people are rather reluctant to listen to what they're saying, and therefore change their own lives. Since global warming is most definitely a spectrum wide threat, which needs spectrum wide solutions, this is quite a pickle.

 

[aelf]

Try that the post starts with a committed assertion that

"Global warming is an undeniable fact, based on scientific opinion, and shouldn't be something to be uncertain about"

Clearly the OP is not a global-warming denier.

Rather, he's raising the possibility that the current proponents of Enviromentalism as per Global Warming are perhaps no longer the best people for the job. Mainly because a lot of people think they're "whiners, hypocrites, and self-righteous douches". This means said people are rather reluctant to listen to what they're saying, and therefore change their own lives. Since global warming is most definitely a spectrum wide threat, which needs spectrum wide solutions, this is quite a pickle.

I never said that he is denying global warming in his post. I think you're missing the beat here.

 

[lovett]

So global warming denial has come to this - complaining that global warming has a fad side to it.

Maybe I'm reading between the lines.

 

[imperfect.la]

For example, people who drive Prius's "piss you off" because, even though they don't explicitly say it, you are able to somehow perceive "the snobby undertones." Snobs! How dare they try and save money on gasoline! Who do they think they are?

Oh man, don't get me started on Prius's. I haven't met anyone who's bought it to save gas money, considering the fact that the Toyota Corolla, while having a slightly weaker MPG, costs considerably less and will save you more money on gas. I've never met anyone who's bought it to save gas money (it's too expensive for the average person), but the people who I know have a Prius:

A network engineer making $120,000 per year (mom's coworker), single, lives 15 minutes from work, paid $33,000 for a tricked out Prius with all of the optional features to fight against pollution.

Stanford researcher, family of 4, has a BMW x5, and BMW M3.. Bought a tricked out Prius too, unknown reason.

My ex-girlfriend. Her parents wanted to buy her a car for college. She opted for a Prius instead of an Audi TT.

What is your reasoning here? The Bay Area and San Francisco in general has the most amount of Prius cars, and is NOT an area that is suffering the most from high gas prices due to the relatively high income. San Francisco is often considered one of the most liberal cities in the United States, and happens to have a large population of hybrids. Coincidence? Or are you implying SF residents are just smarter and know it's good for them to buy a Prius?

 

[JollyRoger]

There should be a ban on who can be sold a Prius. No network engineers, Stanford professors, or coeds need apply. If you don't have any excess Bibles and guns as part of your trade-in, forget about it.

 

[aelf]

Maybe I'm reading between the lines.

Oh, indeed. But that is fine because reading between my lines would yield the information that I think he distrusts liberals in general for whatever reason but can't deny global warming so conservatives (who distrust liberals) could also be convinced of something that is usually on the liberal agenda; which comes from my reading in between his lines.

Saying that I accuse him of denying global warming in his post still wouldn't stick. His hatred for liberals, however, is undeniable.

 

[imperfect.la]

There should be a ban on who can be sold a Prius. No network engineers, Stanford professors, or coeds need apply. If you don't have any excess Bibles and guns as part of your trade-in, forget about it.

That's something we can all rally behind.

 

[illram]

I haven't met anyone who's bought it to save gas money, considering the fact that the Toyota Corolla, while having a slightly weaker MPG, costs considerably less and will save you more money on gas.

1) I have met someone who did, so you lose there, and 2) how does a car with better gas mileage cost more for gas than a car with worse gas mileage? I'm not a rocket scientist but if someone's concern is using less gas per mile and not how much they spend total on the car and on gas then the Prius wins does it not? How is that snobbery?

San Francisco is often considered one of the most liberal cities in the United States, and happens to have a large population of hybrids. Coincidence? Or are you implying SF residents are just smarter and know it's good for them to buy a Prius?

You are making my point for me. SF is full of liberals (interestingly mostly non-natives), who want to save gasoline, and buy cars that do that. But, this isn't because they are actually trying to do what they believe in, it is because they are trying to give the rest of the country a middle finger and say they are better and smarter than everyone? What?

Doing something about energy conservation = being offensive. No one wins if we listen to you. We should all just give up!

edit: and I'd like to add that on any given day I see maybe 2 or 3 hybrids. I see a million BMWs, Lexus, Mercedes, Porsches, etc. etc. If you want to attack the hypocrisy of this town there are other very easy ways of doing it.

 

[Cutlass]

There's legitimate scientific dispute concerning global warming. But the only people who are lying and suppressing science are conservatives.

 

[Gooblah]

At any rate, I tend to agree with the OP's pseudo-point:

A lot of people (in my area) tend to see hybrid drivers as plain annoying, or arrogant. I live near Detroit, so the economic slump has hit us harder than Ohio. Foreclosure rates are among the nation's highest. Gas prices? Above $4.50. The Prius and other fuel-efficient vehicles tend to be pioneered by Japanese automakers. Since this is Motor City, however, brand loyalty tends to be strong amongst the white and black populations (on the flip side, the huge Indian-, Chinese-, and Arab-American minorities all drive Hondas). Thus, people who drive Japanese makes are viewed as 'betraying the community', etc. I dont agree with that view, since Japanese cars do save people more money. I can't wait, though, for the eventual American catch-up...then I can feel proud to buy American and my wallet wont be burning.

Finally, a South Park answer.

 

[Merkinball]

You may have just constructed the greatest strawman argument ever, imperfect.la. Bravo, good sir, the trolls of the internet salute you.

Just so long as it's built out of the same thing as global warming itself...

 

[FriendlyFire]

Just so long as it's built out of the same thing as global warming itself...

Pssst Guys I think hes one of them (points to Merkinball while avoiding eye contact)

 

[Narz]

I agree with the first two posts of this thread.