Global warming news you don't hear about

[Sidhe]

Global warming is a myth, ask the Australian Business Men's Organisation, ask the Republican government? Why would they lie? What possible reason could they have to fabricate and lie?

Why would the Republicans try to cover up research and generally stifle scientific endeavour in the field by pulling science papers out of the public eye, or suppressing evidence, pah rubbish! That's just a conspiracy theory, some people will believe anything! Global warming is not real, I tells ya!!!!!!

 

[Bast]

Global warming is a myth, ask the Australian Business Men's Organisation, ask the Republican government? Why would they lie? What possible reason could they have to fabricate and lie?

Why would the Republicans try to cover up research and generally stifle scientific endeavour in the field by pulling science papers out of the public eye, or suppressing evidence, pah rubbish! That's just a conspiracy theory, some people will believe anything! Global warming is not real, I tells ya!!!!!!

Muslims are the evil, I tells ya!

Seriously, I hope that some of these people who are doubting global warming have some form of financial interest in it. Because otherwise, it would be just sad.

 

[Sidhe]

Muslims are the evil, I tells ya!

Seriously, I hope that some of these people who are doubting global warming have some form of financial interest in it. Because otherwise, it would be just sad.

Of course they do, the Republican party is founded and funded by big business, the ABO is basically a cartel of large businesses putting out propaganda to try and destroy the debate; how can economics be anything but the motive; what amazes me is just how gullible people are, I believe x business or the government, or Fox News, scientists are all biased liars: I mean come on were you dropped on your head as a child j/k

Muslims are evil!!!

 

[Gothmog]

Here's a basic problem.

"The fact is that [carbon dioxide] has no proven link to global temperatures," says Mr. Durkin. "Solar activity is far more likely to be the culprit."

Hmm, no link between greenhouse gasses and global temperatures. Has this man never heard of an energy balance model? Why then is the moon so cold? What could he be flapping about?

I would be interested to hear how he feels that solar activity is more likely the culprit given the empirical evidence...

Note that I have a thread where we can discuss the effects of the sun on climate, and where I discuss the misinterpretation of new research that led to this recent upsurge in media reports of solar activity here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5127156#post5127156

If anyone is interested I'm going to post an energy balance calculation for Mars (it has very little atmosphere and so very little greenhouse effect) in that thread (Cosmic Rays and Climate). Just for fun...

 

[Paradigne]

So far I've lived through an 'Ice Age Scare' and a 'Global Warming Scare'. If I live long enough I will live through one more of each I'm sure...

 

[Masquerouge]

So far I've lived through an 'Ice Age Scare' and a 'Global Warming Scare'. If I live long enough I will live through one more of each I'm sure...

I;m not sure the Ice Age scare had a strong backing from the scientific community. Sure it was all over in the news, but that doesn't mean anything.

 

[Phlegmak]

How many science issues have been turned into political issues:

Global warming
Evolution

Both are causes that American conservatives are against.

Spoiler :

It's Idiocracy coming to life I'm telling you!

 

[El_Machinae]

How many science issues have been turned into political issues:

Global warming
Evolution

Both are causes that American conservatives are against.

I don't think that's a full list, there's also a list of things that I associate with political/science hiccups.

Nuclear power
GM foods
vaccines
In the 70's there was a huge controversy regarding genetic engineering (which basically mirrors the current stem cell debate)
Acid rain
stem cells

I think that the anti-science swings both ways. Though Paradigne's point about global cooling is mostly an attempt to discredit climate science. Consider that the same 'environmental machine' was involved in acid rain and ozone depletion sciences, and we credit those as scientific successes.

 

[carlosMM]

So far I've lived through an 'Ice Age Scare' and a 'Global Warming Scare'. If I live long enough I will live through one more of each I'm sure...

Hm, funny, but it seems that 'ice age scare' was pure media hype. While the 'Global Warming Scare' is actually backed by loads of scientific papers, and I mean 'loads' like in if you copy each one, you have to walk many times to carry them to your car.


@Quasar: so far, this is nothing but a troll/SPAM/lies thread. Most of what you bring here has been discussed, or - worse - is already being discussed, making your posts even more SPAM. Also, you do not contribute anything but links. Nothing reputable, I see, only media stuff.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR THREAD? WHO PAYS YOU?
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Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Azash]

I don't think the President of the Czech Republic did:

No offense.. Possibly the strangest and least effective authority argument I ever saw.

EDIT: Close second to the UFO minister.

 

[Bast]

So far I've lived through an 'Ice Age Scare' and a 'Global Warming Scare'. If I live long enough I will live through one more of each I'm sure...

The Ice Age scare just wasn't as big as this. That was just speculation from scientists. We're seeing evidence of warming now. Do you understand the difference?

 

[Phlegmak]

Actually, Sidhe and carlosMM have valid points.

What benefit do people have to fight against global warming?

What is at the center of these sorts of angry political arguments is money. Either that or religion. Since global warming isn't against the Bible, then it must be money.

So companies that produce products that contribute to global warming are against the notion that it exists, and they either lobby politicians or they contribute to political campaigns. So, Republicans are diehard against global warming, so they're receiving contributions from companies that profit from products that contribute to global warming.

 

[Azash]

Also the inability to accept the responsibility.

 

[Masquerouge]

Also the inability to accept the responsibility.

"I'll do it tomorrow!"

 

[Urederra]

2 problems with that. One, at what point do we have sufficient understanding and who decides what level is 'sufficient'. it seems that to some this level will never be reached and the waters are allready muddied. Two, many scientists allready say that the need to act now is present. What if we miss our window of oportunity?

We have been pumping CO2 into the atmophere for more than 150 years, here is the data from the CO2 levels in Hawaii from the last 50 years, where is the sea level rise data that fits with the CO2 levels rise? Nowhere because the two sets of data does not fit.

So, allthough what you are proposing would indeed be the prefered way to go, it's not quite sure we have the luxury of time to do it in. Missing the window could be disastrous.

Why? what window? The sea levels haven't risen significantly in the last 150 years while we were pumping CO2, why do you believe they are about to rise now?

Lastly, if we are wrong and there are benefits to Global Warming like postponing an ice age or such, it is easier to enrich the atmosphere with CO2 than take it out.

If you are wrong you would have wasted and awful amount of money and efforts to fix something that is not broken, you would have broken the economy of many countries and you wouldn't have fix many things that need to be fixed with the limited amount of money and effort in our hands.

 

[carlosMM]

Urederra, it is nice to see you make such a obviously nonsensical argument - who claims there is a direct, linear and immediate link between CO2 and sea levels? Also, the sea levels have risen by roughly half a meter, last time I checked, so you are also using false data.

@ Quasar: this is a serious question, and so I ask again: who pays you? what are your motives for spreading such nonsense? or do you actually believe the conspiracy theory that all the science is wrong?

 

[Thorgalaeg]

We have been pumping CO2 into the atmophere for more than 150 years, here is the data from the CO2 levels in Hawaii from the last 50 years, where is the sea level rise data that fits with the CO2 levels rise? Nowhere because the two sets of data does not fit.

Nowhere? It was really easy to find this:

 

[Quasar1011]

@Quasar: so far, this is nothing but a troll/SPAM/lies thread. Most of what you bring here has been discussed, or - worse - is already being discussed, making your posts even more SPAM. Also, you do not contribute anything but links. Nothing reputable, I see, only media stuff.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR THREAD? WHO PAYS YOU?

The purpose of this thread, is to show that there is indeed another side to the story. As I said before, I don't deny that global warming is occurring. I simply am not convinced that mankind is causing it. Global warming occurred around 1000 A.D., did mankind cause that? Climate is cyclical.

Glad to see you admit that the media is not reputable. Why then is the media pushing their agenda on us, and not reporting the other side?

 

[Gothmog]

What you have brought, Quasar1011, is the non-scientific anecdotal side.

Any time you want to discuss science, I'm all ears (or eyes in this case).

BTW saying 'climate is cyclical' is not a scientific argument. You need to specify a timescale, and provide evidence, and to really get listened to... a mechanism.

 

[carlosMM]

The purpose of this thread, is to show that there is indeed another side to the story.

Thank you for answering

There is another MEDIA side to it, but so far you fail to bring any other SCIENCE side of it. Seems there is only one FACT side to it, hu?

As I said before, I don't deny that global warming is occurring. I simply am not convinced that mankind is causing it. Global warming occurred around 1000 A.D., did mankind cause that?

Partly, yes. Mankind has been busy influencing climate for roughly 8,000 years now.

Climate is cyclical.

Got any support for this outlandish claim?

Glad to see you admit that the media is not reputable. Why then is the media pushing their agenda on us, and not reporting the other side?

When and where are they pushing any agenda? As you have shown, the media spend an incredible amount of time and effort to report the nonsense that is not backed by facts! Or where did you get your links?

let me put it this way: if ten people are killed in a train crash, and some guy claims that he saw aliens abducting them, and the media report that they were killed in a train crash and ignore the alien story - is that 'pushing their agenda'?