grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
we haven't been able to do that all game, why change now?
Goz8 - Silence is Golden
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Deity
ok I will then play as per usual
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Deity
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Pre-turn
its turn 283, there are lots of tough Viking units apporaching but lucky no fast units
IMHO we need RP and maybe have rubber. but we are researching corporation at min
3 units at Anshan, bombard them to 1 hp and kill them
IT lose AC to Cav in town
1. do some pinging though not very successful, kill 1 Cav and 1 inf
IT Vikings and Korea sing trade embargo vs us
Vikings want to talk, give us peace and 240g
a tech would have been too expensive, then Viking declare on Korea, trade embargo ends but too late
Hammurabi establishes an embassy, thanks
2. nth much
3. the civs we have embassies with are all democracies, how to steal a tech
IT Babs want to talk
even for coal gems we still need to spend a bomb for techs
4. go for immediate steal at Babs, we need RP faster, succeed and get electricity
we could get it actually in 8 turns ourselves, thats 289* 8 = around 2000g
IT Ottoman want to talk, all the deals are ridiculous, coal for 100g???
5. 6. nth much
IT get PHQ, Vikings try plant a spy, Babs building SETI
7. Babs are republic, so try and immediate steal from them and succeed
take RP, are we finally lucky with resources
we got 2 rubber, one not hooked up in the south
the time has come for arty and inf to pound the iron city, am I right?
with 300gpt, we can upgrade 10 rifles per turn, arty is too expensive to upgrade
8. 9.
IT Ottoman start UN and Manhatten
10. building units, if we have enough arty, we can pound the iron city directly, we should have enough inf, we can easily upgrade more and have 20+
IA in 11
Pre-turn
its turn 283, there are lots of tough Viking units apporaching but lucky no fast units
IMHO we need RP and maybe have rubber. but we are researching corporation at min
3 units at Anshan, bombard them to 1 hp and kill them
IT lose AC to Cav in town
1. do some pinging though not very successful, kill 1 Cav and 1 inf
IT Vikings and Korea sing trade embargo vs us
Vikings want to talk, give us peace and 240g
a tech would have been too expensive, then Viking declare on Korea, trade embargo ends but too late
Hammurabi establishes an embassy, thanks
2. nth much
3. the civs we have embassies with are all democracies, how to steal a tech
IT Babs want to talk
even for coal gems we still need to spend a bomb for techs
4. go for immediate steal at Babs, we need RP faster, succeed and get electricity
we could get it actually in 8 turns ourselves, thats 289* 8 = around 2000g
IT Ottoman want to talk, all the deals are ridiculous, coal for 100g???
5. 6. nth much
IT get PHQ, Vikings try plant a spy, Babs building SETI
7. Babs are republic, so try and immediate steal from them and succeed
take RP, are we finally lucky with resources
we got 2 rubber, one not hooked up in the south
the time has come for arty and inf to pound the iron city, am I right?
with 300gpt, we can upgrade 10 rifles per turn, arty is too expensive to upgrade
8. 9.
IT Ottoman start UN and Manhatten
10. building units, if we have enough arty, we can pound the iron city directly, we should have enough inf, we can easily upgrade more and have 20+
IA in 11
ThERat
Deity
ok grahamiam inspired me in another game to think more positive. here are my thoughts about this game.
I thinkwe can pull this off still. time is not an issue, UN and space are. UN a little less likely.
But space, we need to make sure that Russia does not have the required resources. that means we need to send over an army to pillage, we are communists, so WW isn't an issue at all. we do not have to send it over now, but before they start building the crucial parts. once we have IA, we can know whats going on with a spy. lucky they are fascists.
On our own island, we need to pound them one by one, starting with Ottoman, looks like he has 7 cities left, once we take out 2 or 3 he would be gasses most likely.
once we aquired the iron, we can then finally rail and get more powerful. they also have salt for Cavs, but we of course aim for tanks and tank armies.
does it sound feasible or am I dreaming?
I thinkwe can pull this off still. time is not an issue, UN and space are. UN a little less likely.
But space, we need to make sure that Russia does not have the required resources. that means we need to send over an army to pillage, we are communists, so WW isn't an issue at all. we do not have to send it over now, but before they start building the crucial parts. once we have IA, we can know whats going on with a spy. lucky they are fascists.
On our own island, we need to pound them one by one, starting with Ottoman, looks like he has 7 cities left, once we take out 2 or 3 he would be gasses most likely.
once we aquired the iron, we can then finally rail and get more powerful. they also have salt for Cavs, but we of course aim for tanks and tank armies.
does it sound feasible or am I dreaming?
ThERat
Deity
yes and we don't even know where the resources are at the moment
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
we won't be able to touch russia without some air or flak cover, and getting across that ocean will be tricky but doable with that island to our SE. however, are we even sure she has rubber or oil? do we see transports running around (last i saw, she had galleons and frigates).
well, not much we can do to her in the immediate turns. i say we wipe out the ottomans and get that iron online ASAP to speed up the CIA build via RR. however, next player should start building galleons in the west coast cities as prep. we're going to need a lot of ships. and let's keep the steal rate up. we probably need 2 or 3 techs every 10T to make a game of this
very nice set rat
well, not much we can do to her in the immediate turns. i say we wipe out the ottomans and get that iron online ASAP to speed up the CIA build via RR. however, next player should start building galleons in the west coast cities as prep. we're going to need a lot of ships. and let's keep the steal rate up. we probably need 2 or 3 techs every 10T to make a game of this
very nice set rat
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I agree that this is still winnable. We need to get iron. With rails our economy will take off. I think Rat's plan is a good one, plus we can use the mountains for cover on the march to the iron city.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
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Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Ahh yes. Need to get to Goz6 and LK85 before this, but I've got it.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Preturn- Things are looking up, arty and infantry can fix almost any problem.
IT- Oh yay, Vike complete Manhattan Project....hello
We catch Ragnar trying to plant a spy.
T1 1520
Not much to do at the moment.
IT- Russia kills Korea.
T2 1525
Ok, time to make Vet spies pay off. Immediate steal from Ottomans yields...a caught spy, but no declaration. We're just that strong, I guess.
IT-zzz
T3 1530
Nothing.
IT- Vikes complete UN.
T4 1535
Nothing much new. Just waiting for more troops and more money. In looking at the trade screen, I see Cathy has Iron for sale. Have to restrain myself from opening diplo.
IT- zzz
T5 1540
Not much different.
IT- Vikes complete SETI
T6 1545
Nothing new.
IT- Russia and Scandanavai sign MPP
T7 1550
Time for one more attempt on the Ottos. This time we succeed, grabbing Corporation. I start five Stock Exchanges so we can get Wall Street eventually.
IT- Some Russian friends show up on the west coast.
T8 1555
Nothing.
IT- Russia lands 3 infantry and one cossack.
T9 1560
I know we're not really suposed to initiate diplo, but we have done so before to boot people out and in this case I think its valid. I do, and Cathy declares.I upgrade nearby defenders and knock off one hp with an arty.
IT- Two Russian Bombers hit one of our cities, and the cossack and an infantry die attacking.
T10 1565
One nice thing about the Russians declaring is that we can now run zero lux I ding them with arty again.
Summary
Our military buildup is going nicely. The CIA is due next turn. We might considering using some of our money to upgrade our cats and trebs, although the closer we can get to tanks the better. Hopefull we have Oil down in our southern expanses.
IT- Oh yay, Vike complete Manhattan Project....hello
We catch Ragnar trying to plant a spy.T1 1520
Not much to do at the moment.
IT- Russia kills Korea.
T2 1525
Ok, time to make Vet spies pay off. Immediate steal from Ottomans yields...a caught spy, but no declaration. We're just that strong, I guess.
IT-zzz
T3 1530
Nothing.
IT- Vikes complete UN.
T4 1535
Nothing much new. Just waiting for more troops and more money. In looking at the trade screen, I see Cathy has Iron for sale. Have to restrain myself from opening diplo.
IT- zzz
T5 1540
Not much different.
IT- Vikes complete SETI
T6 1545
Nothing new.
IT- Russia and Scandanavai sign MPP
T7 1550
Time for one more attempt on the Ottos. This time we succeed, grabbing Corporation. I start five Stock Exchanges so we can get Wall Street eventually.
IT- Some Russian friends show up on the west coast.
T8 1555
Nothing.
IT- Russia lands 3 infantry and one cossack.
T9 1560
I know we're not really suposed to initiate diplo, but we have done so before to boot people out and in this case I think its valid. I do, and Cathy declares.I upgrade nearby defenders and knock off one hp with an arty.
IT- Two Russian Bombers hit one of our cities, and the cossack and an infantry die attacking.
T10 1565
One nice thing about the Russians declaring is that we can now run zero lux
I ding them with arty again.Summary
Our military buildup is going nicely. The CIA is due next turn. We might considering using some of our money to upgrade our cats and trebs, although the closer we can get to tanks the better. Hopefull we have Oil down in our southern expanses.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Don't do any thing to activate the MPP Cathy has with Ragnar. I think we should consider the Ottoman war soon.
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
bolding by me.Kaiser_Berger said:
someone correct me if i'm wrong, but diplomates are not considered spies for the tech stealing calculation. in fact, according to Oyestein's article, an embassy steal is over 20% less likely to succeed than a vet spy steal. with the CIA about to be finished, i think we'll find our stealing efforts start to pay off much more in the future.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Very true, that looks to be an obvious oversight on my part. Had I realized that, I may very well have saved up some of that money to upgrade more troops.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Just chalk it up to another small step up the learning curve.
ThERat
Deity
@goz, is this game still alive?
Geez RAT, don't you become another stress-factor in my life 
Pre-turn - I move some stuff around. We must get that iron so we can start rails, we are completely locked down without it. I understand that stealing is also important to get us somewhere, but we can't fight Ottomans with catapults and trebs.
So I will take a chance and upgrade our stone-throwers to better stuff, very expensive, but against infantries and TOW's we need that. It will take 2-3k of gold to upgrade what I want and that equals 2 steal immediate attempts. I bet we can get something from a peacedeal if I succeed. Ottomans only have 8 cities, so if we can take/raze a couple, they will be willing to talk soon enough.
The team can prepare tar and feathers if I make a mess of this.
Russia is huge and they have MPP with Vikings. Yuk!
1570AD - Bombers kill 2 pop in UR, that certainly help us.
We build Intelligency Agency.
Plant a spy in Istanbul. 37 infantries, 9 sipahis, 29 TWO's, 13 cruise missiles and 5 bombers. That will be a test.
1575AD - Russia sign trade embargo with Vikings against us.
Babs are building the Internet.
8 bombers wreak havoc.
1580AD - A dozen bombers hit IT, killing units and pop. They don't need to invade, their bombers will do the job for them
1585AD - Buh-bye?
Some 35-40 Scandinavian units show up.
AC-army goes 4/16 killing 2 TOW's.
Other AC-army goes 7/17 killing TOW and marine.
1590AD - Major bombing empty towns and civil disorder in a couple of towns makes this game even more fun.
Russia land 6 units near Sweet Salmon. It takes everything we have close to get rid of them, I even attack with EW's. lost 5 or 6 units there.
All I can do is to bombard the stack. Lose army and elite rifle to 1hp infantry
Kill 2 inf's with LB's
Turn off animations to make this less painful.
1595AD - Kill 5 vikings, lose a LB.
Our people are unhappy, probably because of the lost units and we need luxtax.
1600AD - Our bombardment isn't too good, but I manage to get down a smaller stack of 8 units to 1hp. The huge stack of 24 units seem untouchable.
Kill 7 units, lose 2 inf's.
I see that reneg deals is turned off?
1605AD - Babs wants to renew a luxdeal, I don't know how long we let them pay 2gpt for that.
Change deals to Steel and alliance against Viking for 3 luxes and 116gpt. We have nothing to lose.
Russia declare on Babs.
Our moronic people add something to the palace.
Now how can we deal with the 26 vikings that just entered the warzone.
Bombard stack of 5 TOW's sitting on our rubber, army and 3 LB's kill them.
1610AD - Russia wants to talk, peace and Refining for 138gpt and 139g.
Lost our valiant LB's IT and defend and kill 2 TOW's.
Kill 8 TOW's and 2 inf's, the artillery is paying off. Lost 3 units.
A stack of 13 enemies are bombarded, not enough to have a go though.
1615AD - Lose 2 inf's and LB IT.
Kill 15 enemies, lose 3. Nothing left. Fail to plant spy with Vikings.
1620AD - Ottomans and Russia ally against Babylon.
Vikings land 6 units near Sweet Salmon. Can only throw stuff at them right now.
Kill 2 TOW's and the first tank vikings sent to us.
1625AD - Lost 2 inf's to 2hp TOW's, kill one.
Plant a spy in Babylon.
Cities are probably out of whack after I had to move out mp's, please check that.
Well, didn't this go after my plans? We still don't have any iron, hopefully next player can gather enough forces to give Osman a go. At least arties did their job and we killed off a fair bunch of vikings. I really thought it was game over there, but somehow we're still alive.
Pre-turn - I move some stuff around. We must get that iron so we can start rails, we are completely locked down without it. I understand that stealing is also important to get us somewhere, but we can't fight Ottomans with catapults and trebs.
So I will take a chance and upgrade our stone-throwers to better stuff, very expensive, but against infantries and TOW's we need that. It will take 2-3k of gold to upgrade what I want and that equals 2 steal immediate attempts. I bet we can get something from a peacedeal if I succeed. Ottomans only have 8 cities, so if we can take/raze a couple, they will be willing to talk soon enough.
The team can prepare tar and feathers if I make a mess of this.
Russia is huge and they have MPP with Vikings. Yuk!
1570AD - Bombers kill 2 pop in UR, that certainly help us.
We build Intelligency Agency.
Plant a spy in Istanbul. 37 infantries, 9 sipahis, 29 TWO's, 13 cruise missiles and 5 bombers. That will be a test.
1575AD - Russia sign trade embargo with Vikings against us.
Babs are building the Internet.
8 bombers wreak havoc.
1580AD - A dozen bombers hit IT, killing units and pop. They don't need to invade, their bombers will do the job for them
1585AD - Buh-bye?
Some 35-40 Scandinavian units show up.
AC-army goes 4/16 killing 2 TOW's.
Other AC-army goes 7/17 killing TOW and marine.
1590AD - Major bombing empty towns and civil disorder in a couple of towns makes this game even more fun.
Russia land 6 units near Sweet Salmon. It takes everything we have close to get rid of them, I even attack with EW's. lost 5 or 6 units there.
All I can do is to bombard the stack. Lose army and elite rifle to 1hp infantry
Kill 2 inf's with LB's
Turn off animations to make this less painful.
1595AD - Kill 5 vikings, lose a LB.
Our people are unhappy, probably because of the lost units and we need luxtax.
1600AD - Our bombardment isn't too good, but I manage to get down a smaller stack of 8 units to 1hp. The huge stack of 24 units seem untouchable.
Kill 7 units, lose 2 inf's.
I see that reneg deals is turned off?
1605AD - Babs wants to renew a luxdeal, I don't know how long we let them pay 2gpt for that.
Change deals to Steel and alliance against Viking for 3 luxes and 116gpt. We have nothing to lose.
Russia declare on Babs.
Our moronic people add something to the palace.
Now how can we deal with the 26 vikings that just entered the warzone.
Bombard stack of 5 TOW's sitting on our rubber, army and 3 LB's kill them.
1610AD - Russia wants to talk, peace and Refining for 138gpt and 139g.
Lost our valiant LB's IT and defend and kill 2 TOW's.
Kill 8 TOW's and 2 inf's, the artillery is paying off. Lost 3 units.
A stack of 13 enemies are bombarded, not enough to have a go though.
1615AD - Lose 2 inf's and LB IT.
Kill 15 enemies, lose 3. Nothing left. Fail to plant spy with Vikings.
1620AD - Ottomans and Russia ally against Babylon.
Vikings land 6 units near Sweet Salmon. Can only throw stuff at them right now.
Kill 2 TOW's and the first tank vikings sent to us.
1625AD - Lost 2 inf's to 2hp TOW's, kill one.
Plant a spy in Babylon.
Cities are probably out of whack after I had to move out mp's, please check that.
Well, didn't this go after my plans?
We still don't have any iron, hopefully next player can gather enough forces to give Osman a go. At least arties did their job and we killed off a fair bunch of vikings. I really thought it was game over there, but somehow we're still alive.
ThERat
Deity
sorry about that then, wow we actually survived the attacksif only vikings would fight Ottoman