[Graphic Mod] Varietas Delectat v9.2 [civ specific unit sets]
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Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Hey Avain its an Incan Great Merchent! http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6790500&postcount=1
avain
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Yep, it's going in!
Ermelinho
Child with the Mirror
it´s an honor to me
. do you know these already?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8966
avain
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it´s an honor to me
do you know these already?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8966
Nope, it's you artists that make this mod any good! So thank you!
Also, those other nice units are already in the 3.7 version (that will come)
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
I like this Civilization/culture-specific great leaders thing.
On the other hand I can't wait for Bakuel's massive release of units over the summer months....so tired of that aztec heavy footman with the two huge pipes for weapons....
On the other hand I can't wait for Bakuel's massive release of units over the summer months....so tired of that aztec heavy footman with the two huge pipes for weapons....
some reskins for u:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9381&act=down
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9381&act=down
avain
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@FK2006:
Thanks!
@RPG:
Most probably yes.
Thanks!
@RPG:
Most probably yes.
Ekmek
on steam: ekmek_e
and geomodder's ethnic citystyles 
glad I didn't start a new game. waiting on you avain
glad I didn't start a new game. waiting on you avain
avain
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and geomodder's ethnic citystyles
glad I didn't start a new game. waiting on you avain
Mmmm, and I'm waiting on Chuggi! If you can make him release 2.1, you'll see VD sooner!
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
What units do you plan on including from Cultural Diversity? Hopefully just the more modern ones as I like your ancient-medieval lineups. Also the warlords as well(Chinese, Mesoamerican etc.)
JustATourist
Lost in Translation
Hmmm... I hope you will excuse my opinion, Avain. I am a fan of your VD. Especially I really like what you made out of the infatry units. It is really fun to have this much diversity and individuallity. But I think, you are sometimes a little bit easy going with your choice of vehicles (ships and armors). You shouldn't put every vehicle in your mod, especially those without any animations (ships without attack animations and so on) don't really fit into the high standard of your mod. But on balance your mod is really great and I can't play Civ4 without it anymore.
Right now I am playing a game with the germans. I really love the units, the armored medieval maceman, the rifleman (prussian?), the cavalry (bavarian?), really great. But then I had my first industrial age general and I realised it's our austrian with the funny mustache... Well, I was quite disappointed, when I saw several of this guys running through my map. The first unit in your mod, I really and absolutly don't like. (By the way, I don't really think, he do fit as a general anyway.) Won't it be possible to replace him, or at least to insert a more modern german general for the modern and future age of the game?
Right now I am playing a game with the germans. I really love the units, the armored medieval maceman, the rifleman (prussian?), the cavalry (bavarian?), really great. But then I had my first industrial age general and I realised it's our austrian with the funny mustache... Well, I was quite disappointed, when I saw several of this guys running through my map. The first unit in your mod, I really and absolutly don't like. (By the way, I don't really think, he do fit as a general anyway.) Won't it be possible to replace him, or at least to insert a more modern german general for the modern and future age of the game?
avain
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Hitler will be replaced in the next version with Wolfschanze's German General. His v5 version is quite cool now!
avain
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Yep, I'm deciding on unit-by-unit bases. The reasons for a swap could be: better quality unit and/or historically more accurate unit.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Don't get me started on Mini-Hitler... he infuriated me so much, I not only refused to put him in my mod to begin-with (I prefered the default general over mini-Hitler), I went so far as to make my own general (my German General is the first unit I ever made... specifically to avoid having 4 or 5 mini-Hitlers in my game).
JustATourist
Lost in Translation
I agree, Wolfshanze's general looks much better. But it is also a general from the NS era with NS insignias. If you play Civ the industrial and the modern era will take about 200 years and perhaps 100 to 150 turns, but this type of uniforms have been worn about 10 years. So, it doesn't really represent the whole industrial and modern german era very well. But at least it is much better than to old general.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Well, it's based on the WWII Wehrmacht Uniform, but there's no swastikas visible on it.
As far as complaining that a Wehrmacht uniform isn't any good to represent a modern German general due to how long it was worn, I suppose you're going to argue the same thing about using a WWII tank like the Panther or Tiger, or using a WWII Fighter like a FW-190 or Me-109, or using a German Battleship like the Bismarck... that all of those models are also invalid because of how long they were used (same length of time as the uniform... and in most cases, even less).
Might as well expand that to all the other nations too... let's get rid of using all flavor units from WWII, because they were pretty much used the same amount of time as a WWII General's uniform (come to think of it... the default modern General uniform is also clearly from WWII... need to delete it too).
As far as complaining that a Wehrmacht uniform isn't any good to represent a modern German general due to how long it was worn, I suppose you're going to argue the same thing about using a WWII tank like the Panther or Tiger, or using a WWII Fighter like a FW-190 or Me-109, or using a German Battleship like the Bismarck... that all of those models are also invalid because of how long they were used (same length of time as the uniform... and in most cases, even less).
Might as well expand that to all the other nations too... let's get rid of using all flavor units from WWII, because they were pretty much used the same amount of time as a WWII General's uniform (come to think of it... the default modern General uniform is also clearly from WWII... need to delete it too).
JustATourist
Lost in Translation
That's not what I did mean, Wolfhanze. A WWII Wehrmacht uniform had an eagle on the left side of the chest and in his claws he has a swastika. You can't see it, because it is too small, but if you know it is there... Personally I have problems to stay calm with this insignia. I don't have a problem with a Messerschmitt. But allthough it was produced in a german factory, it is the insignia which does make it an italian, spanish, german or whatever plane. The vessels (at least, those I saw) in the mod have swastika insignias, which I think is consequent, because the german insignia in Civ4 is a different one.
Anyway, I don't think it was nessessary to overract and to become sarcastic, Wolfhanze. It was only a personal oppinion, and there is no accounting for taste.
Anyway, I don't think it was nessessary to overract and to become sarcastic, Wolfhanze. It was only a personal oppinion, and there is no accounting for taste.
Wolfshanze
CFC Historian
Most mods are showing historic accuracy... Messerschmidts and Battleships were built by the Third Reich, and in most of these mods with custom units, the swastika is historically placed on them.
The Bismarck and Me-109 models both have VISIBLE swastikas on them... my German General doesn't have a visible one.
I'm not over-reacting to your statement, I'm simply stating the obvious.
You have differant conflicting standards to your own standards, and don't apply the same rules to differant units.
On the one-hand, you say "I can't use the Wehrmacht General's uniform, because (even though it's too small to see), I know it's there, so I wouldn't want to use it". While immediately thereafter, you say "I don't have problems with a Messerschmidt or Bismarck Battleship, even though the swastika is clearly displayed on both units".
Well, which is it? Are you offended to the point you don't accept them because of a swastika or not? You also tried to justify the reason by saying "time-wise, it wasn't consequent enough"... but you are okay with other WWII units being in the game for other nations even though those units were around for the same or less amount of time then German WWII units.
Look... I'm not the one saying one thing, then contradicting myself shortly thereafter... are you saying a unit shouldn't be used because it wasn't around long enough? If so, all WWII units shouldn't be used for all nations...
Are you saying it's the presence of the Swastika? Well the Me-109 and FW-190 both have the swastika as well as the Bismarck... so why are they okay, but a Wehrmacht General whose swastika you can't even see isn't?
You just seem to have a lot of contradicting beliefs... I'm just trying to clarify which ones you're actually following and which ones you conveniently ignore whenever the situation suits?!?!?!?!?
It's not the swastika that is evil... it was the men that were behind it. Irregardless, history is history, and it WAS the national symbol of Germany during one of the most historically important times in the history of the world... so you can't be surprised that not everyone hides their head under a rock just because something has a swastika on it... it is what it is... it was the symbol used during the war... condemn the men that commited crimes... remember the innocent that were lost, but you can't rewrite history simply because you don't like a symbol on a flag.
People use the swastika on a model because it's historically accurate... not because they support the cause of fascism or are trying to shock anyone... history is history, and people are just being accurate. The fact Germany was a HUGE factor in the course of world history cannot be hidden-away or have all books with the image of a swastika burned (hmmm... rewriting history and hiding the truth almost sounds like something a nazi would have done)... people are just being historically accurate.
Now having a bunch of Hitlers leading troops? Not accurate... but Wehrmacht Generals?... accurate.
The Bismarck and Me-109 models both have VISIBLE swastikas on them... my German General doesn't have a visible one.
I'm not over-reacting to your statement, I'm simply stating the obvious.
You have differant conflicting standards to your own standards, and don't apply the same rules to differant units.
On the one-hand, you say "I can't use the Wehrmacht General's uniform, because (even though it's too small to see), I know it's there, so I wouldn't want to use it". While immediately thereafter, you say "I don't have problems with a Messerschmidt or Bismarck Battleship, even though the swastika is clearly displayed on both units".
Well, which is it? Are you offended to the point you don't accept them because of a swastika or not? You also tried to justify the reason by saying "time-wise, it wasn't consequent enough"... but you are okay with other WWII units being in the game for other nations even though those units were around for the same or less amount of time then German WWII units.
Look... I'm not the one saying one thing, then contradicting myself shortly thereafter... are you saying a unit shouldn't be used because it wasn't around long enough? If so, all WWII units shouldn't be used for all nations...
Are you saying it's the presence of the Swastika? Well the Me-109 and FW-190 both have the swastika as well as the Bismarck... so why are they okay, but a Wehrmacht General whose swastika you can't even see isn't?
You just seem to have a lot of contradicting beliefs... I'm just trying to clarify which ones you're actually following and which ones you conveniently ignore whenever the situation suits?!?!?!?!?
It's not the swastika that is evil... it was the men that were behind it. Irregardless, history is history, and it WAS the national symbol of Germany during one of the most historically important times in the history of the world... so you can't be surprised that not everyone hides their head under a rock just because something has a swastika on it... it is what it is... it was the symbol used during the war... condemn the men that commited crimes... remember the innocent that were lost, but you can't rewrite history simply because you don't like a symbol on a flag.
People use the swastika on a model because it's historically accurate... not because they support the cause of fascism or are trying to shock anyone... history is history, and people are just being accurate. The fact Germany was a HUGE factor in the course of world history cannot be hidden-away or have all books with the image of a swastika burned (hmmm... rewriting history and hiding the truth almost sounds like something a nazi would have done)... people are just being historically accurate.
Now having a bunch of Hitlers leading troops? Not accurate... but Wehrmacht Generals?... accurate.
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