Greece threatens to sue Oliver Stone

[Desmond Hawkins]

Alexander, if you don't want Greece to be seen as hyper-nationalistic and obsessed with their past in a mediocre present, then stop behaving that way.

 

[King Alexander]

No, I don't want to stop behaving like a hyper-nationalistic, necause I AM A HYPER-NATIONALISTIC.
It feels good now that I confessed it to everyone, because my soul would burn in Hell in the eternity otherwise, but now I'm going to Paradise, first-ticket class.

 

[Pangur Bán]

BTW, here's a really good article on "Macedonia".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians

Actually, it would be one of the best Wikipedia entries I'd ever came across if only it used footnotes.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

No, I don't want to stop behaving like a hyper-nationalistic, necause I AM A HYPER-NATIONALISTIC.
It feels good now that I confessed it to everyone, because my soul would burn in Hell in the eternity otherwise, but now I'm going to Paradise, first-ticket class.

I have no problem with you being a hyper-nationalist, but since hyper-nationalism is NOT usually rational, then expect people to often attack the irrationalities in your arguments.

One of them being the FYROM one. It is hilarious to non-Greeks (and diaspora Greeks I know), because it is completely irrational.

 

[King Alexander]

That's what I saw in my last 5-6 posts: people attacking my irrationalities in my arguements.

I didn't saw anyone to take my irrationalities, quote them in parts, and make rational arguements, but again, that's just coming from a hyper-nationalist as myself.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

What is the point? The premise for the thread is so ludicrous anyways.

I was just giving some constructive criticisms for the Greek hyper-nationalists. Stop living in the past, and build a nation that is more than just corrupt and mediocre.

 

[Sims2789]

No, I don't want to stop behaving like a hyper-nationalistic, necause I AM A HYPER-NATIONALISTIC.
It feels good now that I confessed it to everyone, because my soul would burn in Hell in the eternity otherwise, but now I'm going to Paradise, first-ticket class.

Lucky for you you're an Orthodox, because Zeus would hate that much attention being payed towards your country when that attention could go towards him. It's fine to be intrested in history, but if one really loves one's nation, then one should look to the past to see how one can improve one's natnio's future, as opposed to sueing Oliver Stone because his movie claims that someone from a country to the north of yours was bisexual.

 

[King Alexander]

Basically, the sueing comes from me, a hyper-nationalist, and not from these lawyers.

And because I'm an orthodox hyper-nationalist, I live in the most corrupt and mediocre country of the galaxy, and I'm sure that Zeus will throw a thunder at me, any moment now.

As a hyper-nationalist I'd like to add that, my country doesn't even own a single greek-macedonian spear(!!!!) - not to mention that we haven't any ancient graves here - and all of that stuff is up to the northern slavish macedonia.

I'm really ashamed of myself.

EDIT: I'm really glad that my irrational arguements proved false and "someone" from a country at north( ) was a *sexual-without-the-"bi"*.

 

[Vasileius]

oh yeah,and his father phillip was even nastier.he couldnt keep his pants on nowhere...

Stupid post ...
1) The greeks have different words for "love" (αγάπ&#951 and "making love" (κάνω έρωτ&#945 or "in love" (ερωτευμένο&#962... Unless you think that a philosopher is having sexual relationship with a girl named "Wisdom" ...

2) The name was given" to him by his parents as a baby " ...

Yet, calgacus, I was ironic ... But Alexander doesn't mean "defender of the man" ... The best word would be "Menproof" like bulletproof or waterproof . That's what Alex- means ... Even modern day words are like that "αλεξίσφαιρος" ,"αλεξικέραυνος" ...

Greece, like many of Europe's so-called "backward" nations, is very nationalistic. History class at school there is little more than propaganda indoctrination (by western standards). However, you have to understand that the course of indepedence from the Ottoman Empire has generated both a need for strong nationalistic propaganda and tensions with neighboring peoples, both of which have in turn combined to generate paranoia.

As you might know , the history books are approved by the E.U. and are written with the western standards .

not to mention that we haven't any ancient graves here

Are you joking ? What about Philip's tomb in Vergina ?

 

[King Alexander]

@Vasileius: I think that you know if I'm joking or not, no need to tell it clearly for the sake of lurkers.

 

[kryszcztov]

Calling modern Greece a nationalist country is stupid IMHO. And it comes from a man whose people doesn't really equal to a nation, no surprise. If you want to see how it is to learn BS to children in schools, then go to Bosnia : the kids over there sometimes go to different parts of a school, whether they are Croat-ish or Serb-ish. Expect some problems in 30 years over there... I'm sure Greece is a modern country, open to the EU and the Western world.

Greece, Greece, Greece !

 

[Juka The Dumb]

If you want to see how it is to learn BS to children in schools, then go to Bosnia : the kids over there sometimes go to different parts of a school, whether they are Croat-ish or Serb-ish.

the wild balkans,it's so true...

 

[King Alexander]

@kryszcztov: nice glasses on your avatar! I'm on your side because you wear cool, 3D glasses...

What do you say that we unite our national football Teams and make a Super-Team!

btw: I wonder what these lawyers are doing right now; are they make their job well for what I paid them to do(sueing), or I'm wasting my money on the case

 

[Pangur Bán]

Calling modern Greece a nationalist country is stupid IMHO.

Yeah, you've convinced me

. And it comes from a man whose people doesn't really equal to a nation, no surprise.

WTH?

 

[Illustrious]

Coming back briefly on topic......

Is Greek law so wildly different from English/American law, then? After all, under our system it is impossible to libel the dead. And even if it were possible to libel the dead, I doubt that any collection of lawyers would be able to demonstrate locus standi (i.e. to show that they had the right to bring an action) on behalf of someone who died over 2000 years ago.

Unless Greek law (i) admits libel against the dead and (ii) permits crank prosecutions by people with no connection whatsoever to the allegedly damaged party, then I strongly suspect that this whole "lawsuit" thing is merely a piece of attention-grabbing nonsense.

However, the "Macedonia" asides are quite amusing...

 

[Drakan]

Oh dear, nationalistic garbage.
I thought the Greeks wanted to shed their backward image?! Well, this just reinforces it.

The lawyers have no case. There is evidence that Alexander was, in practice, bisexual. Although the evidence is slight, the evidence for all things in this period is slight.

As for Alexander, Macedonia and Greekness . . . .well, Alexander was certainly a Greek speaker, like the Macedonian family had been for a long while before. However, Macedonian society differed immensely from Greek society. While there is strong evidence that the majority of elite Macedonians spoke a dialect closely related to the Hellenic dialects of the Aegean; there is no evidence that they did so a centruy before (but, like I said, with even more reference to here, there is little evidence for anything). Greeks of the time identify Macedonians as foreigners (βάρβαρ ( ικ ) οι ), but that is not necessarily linguistic. However, it is quite possible that much of the population of at least parts of classical Macedonia was Illyrian or Thracian, rather than Hellenic.

Of course, Slavs in modern Macedonia (formerly FYOM ) are just as descended from Argead Macedonia as the current modern Greek population are; the only difference being that the slavs of Macedonia speak a language less related to ancient Macedonian "Greek" than in modern Greek is.

Amen. Calcagus is completely right. The Greeks of back then considered Macedonians as barbarians, not as Greeks.

And there's plenty of evidence he was in fact bisexual. Haephestous comes to mind but there was also Brisinious (or was it Barsinius?), this persian "exotic dancer" amongst others. It doesn't mean anything. Alexander was and is still one of the greatest generals of all time, after Hannibal that is, IMHO.

 

[King Alexander]

Coming back briefly on topic......

Why briefly? You're welcome to stay

Is Greek law so wildly different from English/American law, then? After all, under our system it is impossible to libel the dead.

No, the law isn't so different, and IMHO the true motives behind this sueing aren't so clear to understand by many people.

on behalf of someone who died over 2000 years ago.

Who knows, maybe Alexander had left in his Will a future possible sueing to be ordered after 2350 years.

a piece of attention-grabbing nonsense.

Allow me to differ in this; this hasn't anything to do with grabbing attention to the movie, whether I support the sueing(or any other Greek) or not.
Don't you think that most Greeks would have gone and seen "Troy" to support it as much as they could if they really wanted to? Or make fuss about it?

It's almost the same now, but the motives now are even deeper.

After all, the Greeks usually know what to expect when someone tries to make a super-production mythology movie, when almost all they saw in the past decades(from movies and series) is an incredible mixing of inaccuracy facts, mixing different ages/eras regarding Hercules, to name one, as well as many other heroes and Gods.

However, the "Macedonia" asides are quite amusing...

I'm thinking of putting a ticket for this thread(like a 1/2 of a movie ticket for example), because everyone seems to enjoy the discussions here, but most importantly, I need the money to pay the lawyers, remember?

EDIT: I want first to see the movie before I can have an opinion.

 

[King Alexander]

Amen. Calcagus is completely right. The Greeks of back then considered Macedonians as barbarians, not as Greeks.

I see..., and who says so, may I ask? Demosthenes? Isocrates? Hmmm, if I may remind you that, we're talking about city-states here, and every city-state had it's propaganda, of course...

Sparta made it's propaganda against Athens, Athens made the same in return, all the city-states had their propaganda, more or less.

Have you thought that Demosthenes and Isocrates had their reasons to refer to the Macedonians that way?
Macedonia was clearly becoming a major power back then, it was a clear threat for Athens, much as Sparta always was, need I to continue, or can you think the motives behind what they said against Philip II and Macedonia?

And there's plenty of evidence he was in fact bisexual. Haephestous comes to mind but there was also Brisinious (or was it Barsinius?), this persian "exotic dancer" amongst others. It doesn't mean anything. Alexander was and is still one of the greatest generals of all time

Rumors is not evidence by any means. These people were not in next to Alexander while the later made love.

You clearly have no idea if you think that Greece was such a liberal state regarding homosexuals(only Athens was liberal to an extend until the boys were adults), and I explained a bit, in my previous posts.

However, I'll not say my true opinion about Alexander, as I think no one would understood(I deserve the right to not express my opinion )

 

[Drakan]

....., but most importantly, I need the money to pay the lawyers, remember?

.

Someone needs to hire a Lawyer ? Ehem, King Alexander, my friend...

K.A. nobody to this date has contested or even doubted his bisexuality. I've read countless books on him, and they all take notice of that point to a greater or lesser extent.

Demosthenes, probably the finest orator of ancient times, was clearly biased against Philip and Macedon in general. Very true. but Alexander was obsessed with Homers's Ilyad and there was plenty of "friendly" men also. It is said also of Iulius Caesar. He loved women, and some men it seems, although it certainly isn't as clear as Alexander's case.

I don't know what upsets you. Gay or not, bisexual or not, heterosexual or not, he's still one of the greatest men of all time. Do you think he would really care on this petty squable ? What's important are our acts, that's what defines us in life, that's what's left once we are no more. He sought inmortality as Achilles and found it in his very own lifetime paying the ultimate price for it.

Alexander should be remembered for what he did. Alexander makes a better man of each and all of us inspiring us through his feats. I couldn't care less if he was gay or not and I'm sure, neither would he.

 

[thestonesfan]

Who cares? As long as there are enough bare boobies to counter the man-ass, I'll be happy.