Kimuyama
Prince
Now that I think of it, the Malagasy of Madagascar would be an interesting addition as well
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AbsintheRed
Deity
Actually you are wrong in all your statesments
Check again Hungarian history, especially between 900 - 1500 AD
Anyway, my point is:Warning: historical rant
Hungary was one of the top European powers during most of those 600 years
Also, even later when they rose as a major power, Austria (or any other western country) never conquered Hungary, only used the opportunity of the Ottoman conquests to establish a long-lasting personal union.
Actually it happened the other way around on a couple occasions, for example Matthias Corvinus conquered Bohemia, Silesia and Austria in the 15th century
Civ V should definitely have Hungary, and I would certainly don't mind Austria either
But adding an Austro-Hungary instead of them is a very bad idea.
It was too shortliving, and couldn't really represent a civilization
Same for the Commonwealth. I would gladly have Poland and/or Lithuania, but only separately
Austro-Hungary and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth would be the same as adding the HRE to Civ IV. All were a powerful entity, but not a civilization
I just hope Firaxis won't make the same mistake again
Kimuyama
Prince
I even thought up some unique points for the Mapuche and Malagasy some time ago.
Though, I am aware of that as far as civs go, these are pretty obscure on an international scale, but would still be pretty damn interesting.
My "wishlist":
Though, I am aware of that as far as civs go, these are pretty obscure on an international scale, but would still be pretty damn interesting.
My "wishlist":
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King Kalmah
Magyar Madness
Actually you are wrong in all your statesments
Check again Hungarian history, especially between 900 - 1500 AD
In 800ad to 1000ad Hungarian forces invaded German lands.
We took over Croatia leading to a union with Croatia that lasted from 1091-1946.
the ottomon wars happened after 1500ad
proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman-Hungarian_Wars
MY ORIGINAL POST WAS TEN PARAGRAPHS BUT SOME TECH BS DELETED....
anyone wish to argue about Hungarian power in eastern europe during the middle ages be my guest...I'm here all night...
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Can we not bring nationalism into this thread?
I suspect Firaxis will be content leaving just Budapest in the game. I agree Hungary has an interesting history (at the time, the Holy Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, and a Arabic kingdoms were probably more important, but it does represent a good crossroads between east and west). However, there are a lot of civs with an interesting history that might not add anything either in name recognition or playstyle.
I suspect Firaxis will be content leaving just Budapest in the game. I agree Hungary has an interesting history (at the time, the Holy Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, and a Arabic kingdoms were probably more important, but it does represent a good crossroads between east and west). However, there are a lot of civs with an interesting history that might not add anything either in name recognition or playstyle.
AbsintheRed
Deity
I'm hungarian too, but absolutely agree with this
Yeah, more or less agreed with this too
Hungary is a good choice for a new and unique civ, but of course there are many other good choices as well
A civ choice should be about interesting history, importance (rather historical than modern importance), uniqueness and popularity - altough I admit this is subjective, especially the weight of these factors
Hungary is IMO one of the top remaining civs combining these factors, but that's even more subjective of course
Let's keep the rest for Firaxis ,)
jmelnick
Bad Mod Skills, Big Ideas
The harappans and the indus valley civ are the same people. It's like Americans live in America. Harappans lived in the indus valley civ.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
BTW, while Harappa might not be inside modern India, they are definitely included in the Indian Civilization for game purposes. The game developers always seem to do a weird mix of specific historical civilizations (that rose and fell, such as Rome and Persia) and amalgamations of various civilizations that are connected and represented by modern nations. China and India have always been good examples. In Civ5, Germany seems to include all incarnations from Germanic tribes to the Holy Roman Empire, to Prussia, to modern Germany.
Bowsling
Deity
Antwerp and Lisbon have been added as city-states. I doubt they are actually adding city-states, likely they are just renaming them as they get "promoted" to civs. That's what happened to Copenhagen and Seoul. None of the confirmed civs so far are replacing any city-states, so:
Two of the undisclosed civs will be one of the following:
That or Dublin and Edinburgh are getting devoured by the Celts, after all, they have made Cardiff a Celtic city this time around.
Two of the undisclosed civs will be one of the following:
- Austria (replacing Vienna)
- Brazil (replacing Rio de Janeiro)
- Sweden (replacing Stockholm)
- Poland (replacing Warsaw)
That or Dublin and Edinburgh are getting devoured by the Celts, after all, they have made Cardiff a Celtic city this time around.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
They're adding two kinds of city-states, which leads me to believe, almost certainly, that they'll have to add at least a few city-states. While a few old ones might be candidates for religious or mercantile CS, I don't think there will be enough.
Personally, I would rather not really have any more European or Native American civs in the expansion, considering that we're getting three European ones and one American. What I want more than anything is an actual African tileset for Songhai and Ethiopia and Zulu, or whichever African civs we get.
I feel that the Iroquois pretty much covers all the Native American flavor we need, though admittedly I'm European and they've had no effect on my cultural history. It is probably for this same reason that the next American civ I would like is Inuit, since I am from Denmark and we do have a notable Greenlandic minority living here.
I expect Sioux, Ethiopia, Sumer/Zulu/Kongo and one Asian civ, but I would like Inuit, Sumer, Ethiopia and another sub-saharan civ
I feel that the Iroquois pretty much covers all the Native American flavor we need, though admittedly I'm European and they've had no effect on my cultural history. It is probably for this same reason that the next American civ I would like is Inuit, since I am from Denmark and we do have a notable Greenlandic minority living here.
I expect Sioux, Ethiopia, Sumer/Zulu/Kongo and one Asian civ, but I would like Inuit, Sumer, Ethiopia and another sub-saharan civ
AbsintheRed
Deity
I'm kinda rooting that they leave Zulu, Sioux, Sumer (and of course Portugal) for later DLCs/another expansion - I'm sure these civs will be released eventually in some form, even if this expansion is not a commercial success
This way we could get a couple less mainstream civs too in this expansion
Don't want to start again on those missing European civs
Instead Phoenicia, Assyria, Hittite, Majapahit, Khazar, Inuit - already quite a few good ideas came up in this thread
This way we could get a couple less mainstream civs too in this expansion
Don't want to start again on those missing European civs
Instead Phoenicia, Assyria, Hittite, Majapahit, Khazar, Inuit - already quite a few good ideas came up in this thread
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Yeah, I'm similar. The Zulu and Sumerians are both good candidates for DLC.
My feeling is that some of these are gonna be there, and with at least one African Civ, Zulu or Ethiopia.
By the way, what were Carthagians like physically? Were they black?
Optical
The Fall of the Eleventh
That was my impression. It wasn't the IV team's, though, clearly . But yeah, being from the Levant originally I would have expected the Carthaginians to have had dark skin.
. But yeah, being from the Levant originally I would have expected the Carthaginians to have had dark skin.
Androrc the Orc
Emperor
That was my impression. It wasn't the IV team's, though, clearly
People from the Levant don't have dark skin... and certainly aren't black.
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That is after 1400 years of Arab settlement (and 600 years of Roman before that)
AbsintheRed
Deity
I disagree. Most of the Levant inhabitants weren't dark skinned, not even before the Roman conquests
Anyway, specifically the Phoenicians weren't dark skinned at all, and Carthagians are mostly related to them
I think the Civ IV approach was correct
j51
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