Guess the New Civs

[KrikkitTwo]

But it is situated WITHIN rome! It's not only within the metropolitan area, it's within the city proper!
Plus that it's only been a seperate entity from Rome for about 90 years.

True.. but then to model its effect properly as a religious City State, you would have to take Rome away form the Romans.

Much better to have it seperate.

We can have Vatican and Rome as seperate cities in the same game if we can also have Instanbul and Constantinople.

 

[Kimuyama]

I think that most of the worlds holy cities should be represented in the game, what with the religion focus and all, and thus I wouldn't object at all to the Vatican. Though Avignon could probably fill that spot, if the Vatican doesn't make it.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Do you think they'll take away Mecca as well? While I think some Holy Cities might be included, I don't find it all that fruitful to take away major cities from a civilization and turn them into independent city-states.

 

[Pouakai]

Baghdad was the Capital of the Abassid Caliphate, to which Harun al-Rashid was a Caliph of, so it would make sense to remove it and move Medina down

 

[mitsho]

There are enough possible religious city states without them taking MEcca away. For Islam I can think of Kerbala, Najaf, Qum of the top of my head. And hey, wikipedia has even a list. It's more tricky with Christianity since the Christian Nations are split up on various cities whereas there's only the Arabs (and the Turks, Songhai) for Islam. Qum f.e. would be an important city of a medieval-and-later Persian Empire, the Safwawids for example. Besides Avignon, I could think of Antiochia and maybe Betlehem, but the rest is all in other city lists. Thus I think Vatican works as wel...

Looking at that list, I am looking forward to seeing Salt Lake City as a religious city state. It does fit wonderfully. So my list would probably be:
Jerusalem, Haifa*, Avignon/Vatican, Lhasa, Qufu, Amritsar**, Salt Lake City, Ife***, Qom, Karbala, Varanasi, ....

*Bahai, **Sikh, ***We do need more African Cities (Yoruba),

 

[AbsintheRed]

Did you see this post? http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11300341&postcount=30
Jerusalem and Vatican are confirmed as religious city states...

Also, the info on the medieval scenario greatly increases the chances of Hungary as a new civ

Medieval: Grow your medieval kingdom into one of the great nations of Renaissance Europe, fending off outside invasions from Mongols and Ottoman Turks and fighting the religious wars of the Crusades and Reformation!

 

[janboruta]

Because of the Medieval scenario, I think that Prague will be included as a new City State, more mercantile than religious. If Poland isn't included in the expansion as a full Civ, then I predict Kraków will be introduced as a religious City State. Other possibilites include Marienburg as another religious CS. This would be enough for this part of Europe, and at least for the scenario.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I guess the Palantine would also be very fitting as a religious city-state for the Medieval scenario - especially in light of the religious wars of reformation

 

[Fabiano79]

How long would take to create a civ on ciV?

Im asking this because maybe not even Firaxis knew which civs would be the last 4. Maybe they are reading all the comunity comments (here and on the offical forum) and deciding right now which to choose.

That said, I guess they would change the status of Portugal from a CS to a civ...

 

[mitsho]

What's the Palantine? Wikipedia only gives me a small French Village... I guess what you mean is named differently in English...

And no, I hadn't seen that article, nice find. It was kinda inevitable that they had the Vatican as a Religious City State, nevermind how nonsensical that is from a point of logic, it only exists since the 1960ies after all. But it is the first association for a lot of people...

Marrakesh as a city state rules out Morocco/the Moors as a new civ which isn't really surprising after all (Carthage), but it rules out another (Semi) Africa Contender.

As for the Krakow vs. Prague as a new city state, I guess that largely depends on wether we get Poland or Austria/Austria-Hungary/Hungary as a new civ. Both are good examples for mercantile city states, less so for religious ones imho.

 

[janboruta]

What's the Palantine? Wikipedia only gives me a small French Village... I guess what you mean is named differently in English...

I believe what AbsintheRed had in mind was the Palatinate ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Palatine_of_the_Rhine). While not exactly a City State, it played a large role in the Thirty Years War, but more political than religious. Even if politics and religion were the cause of the whole war.

As for the Krakow vs. Prague as a new city state, I guess that largely depends on wether we get Poland or Austria/Austria-Hungary/Hungary as a new civ. Both are good examples for mercantile city states, less so for religious ones imho.

We might get neither of those Civs, so it leaves some possibilities. Prague is a prime proposal for a mercantile city state, though it could easily be also a cultural one. As for Kraków, it is a place of lots of sanctuaries, but you are right that it would be rather mercantile. I just wanted to post it as a counterbalance to nearby Prague (in regard of the Medieval scenario). If there would be a Polish religious city state, it should be Częstochowa, it's the most important in the country. I'd love to see Sankt Gallen and Lourdes as other European religious CSs.

 

[mitsho]

Ah, the Kurpfalz. But they are one of the 7 (later 9) Sovereigns electing the Holy Roman Emperor, so they are an integral part of the German Civ. Not a free city state. If you want to take one of the Kurfürsten (Prince-Electors) as a religious city state, at least take one of the Prince-Bishops.

 

[AbsintheRed]

What's the Palantine? Wikipedia only gives me a small French Village... I guess what you mean is named differently in English...

I guess it's called Palatinate in english, it was in the Middle-Rhine part of the HRE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Rhenish_Circle
I suggested it mostly because it's role in the 30 years war, but on second thought it's not a that good idea

As for the Krakow vs. Prague as a new city state, I guess that largely depends on wether we get Poland or Austria/Austria-Hungary/Hungary as a new civ. Both are good examples for mercantile city states, less so for religious ones imho.

Yeah, Krakow and Prague are both better suited for mercantile city states
Austria isn't really connected to this medieval scenario - at least based on the little info we already know about it
So yeah, the city states will mostly depend on whether we get Hungary and/or Poland in the scenario

 

[janboruta]

Mainz then? Munster? Cologne is already high up the German city list, so it is out of the question. Wittenberg would be good, as it would remind of the Reformation. But a German city as a religious CS is an idea full of specific flavour.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Mainz then? Munster? Cologne is already high up the German city list, so it is out of the question. Wittenberg would be good, as it would remind of the Reformation. But a German city as a religious CS is an idea full of specific flavour.

Yeah, I also like the idea of having a German religious CS, preferably from one of the bishopic states as mitsho said

 

[Civciv5]

The Pope is currently searching for Rome,but he can't find it because he already in Rome,meanwhile the Holy See is worried because the pope is lost!

Justinian and Suleiman are fighting about the city name:Constantinople or Istanbul,they are also angry because they have the same city as capital and live in the same palace!
And this irritates me:
Constantinople=Istanbul
Adrionople=Edirne
Nicea=Iznik
Angora=Ankara
Trebizond=Trabzon
Iconium=Konya
...
Houston,we have a problem,Justinian and Suleiman can not have the same cities in their city list!
I dislike civilizations that have cities that have different names.
it's impossible or a city to be at 2 locations at the same time!
This is one of the dissapointments for me:Byzantium is in!

 

[Volapyk]

I really don't see this as a problem, if the name of a city should represent the actually city as it is exactly in our history should we then also be forced to build Constantinople/Istanbul at the coast? Should the Egyptians be the only civ that could build the pyramids?

For me the names of the cities just adds a bit of flavor for that specific civ, as the names they would have called their cities were they to found them.

 

[shaglio]

As for Kraków, it is a place of lots of sanctuaries, but you are right that it would be rather mercantile. I just wanted to post it as a counterbalance to nearby Prague (in regard of the Medieval scenario). If there would be a Polish religious city state, it should be Częstochowa, it's the most important in the country. I'd love to see Sankt Gallen and Lourdes as other European religious CSs.

Is Danzig/Gdansk in the game already (I have a bad memory and I'm currently at work)? If not, that could be a good fit as a new Mercantile city-state. Or maybe Maritime to replace an existing CS that is becoming Mercantile/Religous.

 

[Androrc the Orc]

I really don't see this as a problem, if the name of a city should represent the actually city as it is exactly in our history should we then also be forced to build Constantinople/Istanbul at the coast? Should the Egyptians be the only civ that could build the pyramids?

For me the names of the cities just adds a bit of flavor for that specific civ, as the names they would have called their cities were they to found them.

Well, yes, but it would be more interesting if the name were as if it were taken if a corresponding city were founded. So, for instance, if Adrianople is founded, both the names "Adrianople" and "Edirne" become taken, and as such won't be randomly chosen at city founding.

 

[Androrc the Orc]

So, now we know that Israel, like Portugal, won't be in (as Jerusalem is in the game).

So that further shortens our list of possible civilizations. Here are my guesses (in order of the likeliness I think they have of being in the expansion):

1. Zulu
2. Sumeria
3. Hittites
4. Ethiopia
5. Austria
6. Assyria
7. Sioux
8. Poland
9. Hungary
10. Brazil
11. Khmer
12. Mali
13. Phoenicia