Guess the New Civs

[evanschrader]

Africa and SA are till largely unrepresented

 

[evanschrader]

Thank you for your advice and help

 

[evanschrader]

 

[evanschrader]

I also agree with your guesses

 

[Louis XXIV]

Try to fill the blank spots with city-states as well(including city-states already confirmed to G&K expansion) .

I just tried to do that and, to be honest, it's possibly even worse. It makes the gaps in Africa more glaring. Maybe at least a mercantile city-state on the west coast of Africa would help.

 

[evanschrader]

I think an addition of the Moors, Zulu, Swahili, Kongo, Malagasy, Ghana, or Nubia is needed and called for considering these nations' historical relevance

 

[Louis XXIV]

Merrekech is a city-state so the Moors (Almoravids) are out.

 

[vonbach]

I think an addition of the Moors, Zulu, Swahili, Kongo, Malagasy, Ghana, or Nubia is needed and called for considering these nations' historical relevance

What relevance would that be?

 

[Pouakai]

I think Zimbabwe could make an interesting Builder / Economic civ

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Going back a page, take the spam about Churchill to the World History forum if you want to continue it.

 

[Deggial]

I could have started a new thread about this, but maybe it fits here, too:
The English rising from underdog to 1st tier (and above?).

Considering all informations about G&K, England will be pushed by:

1.) Overhauled naval system with city raiding meele ships *and*...
2.) ...the introduction of the Great Admiral.
3.) Expansion of the longbowmen upgrade path with Gatling Gun and MG.
And, if all of this wouldn't be enough,...
4.) An extra spy!

Wow!
Or, to be more articulate: WOW!!!

These changes do not only enhance England's already existing naval supremacy, but solve their problem of the archer line, too.
I've got the impression that England is the civilization with the biggest benefit due to G&K changes of all existing nations. Maybe they'll cross the line of being overpowered, now?
The extra spy could be to much, in my regard!

What do you think about the synergistic effects of B&K changes on the "old" civs? With all the (limited) information so far, is there any civ that benefits alike?

 

[MARDUK80]

I would rather like to emphasize that it might be more important to focus on, what uniques certain Civ could offer to the game than regional presentation. For example, there are many Civs with Gold, Army and Culture bonus but only a couple with Specialist or City State bonuses.

There's a excellent thread/poll in 2KForums about the subject.

 

[GenjiKhan]

I would rather like to emphasize that it might be more important to focus on, what uniques certain Civ could offer to the game than regional presentation. For example, there are many Civs with Gold, Army and Culture bonus but only a couple with Specialist or City State bonuses.

There's a excellent thread/poll in 2KForums about the subject.

I'd like a civilization which spawns more GM and gets better benefits from them,because this is the most useless GP in the game and another civ that have minimized penalties from Unhappiness,along with benefits from happiness .

 

[evanschrader]

I don't think the Huns would make it either...

I think Zimbabwe could make an interesting Builder / Economic civ

What relevance would that be?

Their relevance is that they are some of the most feared warriors in the ancient world. Also they have an advanced religion and cultures, so a better question is why aren't they in ciV not why should they be included.

 

[ShahJahanII]

I could have started a new thread about this, but maybe it fits here, too:
The English rising from underdog to 1st tier (and above?).

Considering all informations about G&K, England will be pushed by:

1.) Overhauled naval system with city raiding meele ships *and*...
2.) ...the introduction of the Great Admiral.
3.) Expansion of the longbowmen upgrade path with Gatling Gun and MG.
And, if all of this wouldn't be enough,...
4.) An extra spy!

Wow!
Or, to be more articulate: WOW!!!

These changes do not only enhance England's already existing naval supremacy, but solve their problem of the archer line, too.
I've got the impression that England is the civilization with the biggest benefit due to G&K changes of all existing nations. Maybe they'll cross the line of being overpowered, now?
The extra spy could be to much, in my regard!

What do you think about the synergistic effects of B&K changes on the "old" civs? With all the (limited) information so far, is there any civ that benefits alike?

Could you link your thread?
I like that discussion.

 

[Mark the Bold]

I have to disagree. He was a war criminal, who caused the expansion of WW II and ordered the slaughter of millions of civilians. There is no reason to have any respect for a man like that. I see him as one of the worst leaders of history.

You should read the book Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. Your views might change.

I'll agree that Churchill wasn't Britain's greatest leader, but ill not sit idly by and let you recommend that Buchannan authored book of revisionist rubbish.

The British empire was already dead long before Churchill became prime minister: WW1, French and American revolutions, the concept of nationalism, and Woodrow Wilson's self-determination speech were much greater factors than anything Churchill said or did.

To quickly summarize the book recommended above, Hitler wasn't the real enemy: Stalin was. It was Churchill's guarantee to Poland that caused WW2 and the holocaust (!) not the rise of fascism. Google "in defense of. Ww2" for a much more erudite repudiation of this book.


I know this is a civ fanatics forum, but ill be damned if anyone decides to read this fascist-apologist, holocaust-rationalizing book without knowing firsthand what its all about.
Moderator Action: In future, please report offensive posts instead of responding to them.

 

[MadDjinn]

I could have started a new thread about this, but maybe it fits here, too:
The English rising from underdog to 1st tier (and above?).
[snip]
What do you think about the synergistic effects of B&K changes on the "old" civs? With all the (limited) information so far, is there any civ that benefits alike?

yeah, England seems to be getting better, which might make them a worthwhile choice on any map now. But that's just raising them from a 'water map' only status.

Definitely the inclusion of new later game ranged units helps their Longbows not be a 'short term' investment (range doesn't do well on melee units).

the spy helps, but by how much? we'll see later.

Otherwise, since 'everyone' is getting new naval power and melee ships and the great Admiral, I'm not sure that the English are the 100% rulers of the ocean. The Ottomans have that nice UA that allows a massive fleet.

 

[leif erikson]

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[Alk3Crimson]

yeah, England seems to be getting better, which might make them a worthwhile choice on any map now. But that's just raising them from a 'water map' only status.

Definitely the inclusion of new later game ranged units helps their Longbows not be a 'short term' investment (range doesn't do well on melee units).

the spy helps, but by how much? we'll see later.

Otherwise, since 'everyone' is getting new naval power and melee ships and the great Admiral, I'm not sure that the English are the 100% rulers of the ocean. The Ottomans have that nice UA that allows a massive fleet.

I don't see how any of the naval changes make England not as good as they were. Every new ship every other civ gets, the English get a better version of through their UA. If anything, it cements the English as the rulers of the ocean. If naval assaults become a viable tactic that the AI is capable of pulling off, having a strong navy to defend against it will become even more important, and England will really start to shine.

 

[MadDjinn]

I don't see how any of the naval changes make England not as good as they were. Every new ship every other civ gets, the English get a better version of through their UA. If anything, it cements the English as the rulers of the ocean. If naval assaults become a viable tactic that the AI is capable of pulling off, having a strong navy to defend against it will become even more important, and England will really start to shine.

It's +2 movement, that's just speed - not power or volume. Sure, speed can kill sometimes, but it's not the same as having 3x the navy.

Granted, there's the SotL, which is very likely to be the 'best' ship of that age. So England will do just fine, but not '100% dominant' because all civs get access to the rest of the naval changes as well.

Besides, it's not good to make a civ that's 100% dominant in one particular arena, but sucks in the rest.