Guess the New Civs

[awesome]

I thought that turned out to have actually been invented by CivFanatics staff, not to be a 2K April Fool's? If so, I wouldn't expect them to have foreknowledge of what's in or out beyond what's already been revealed.

And I'll say it again: the details we've been given so far are to generate interest and publicity. If the Zulus were in, chances are they'd have been top of the list for an early preview along with the Maya and the Netherlands - after all, who's ever asked for a Hun civilization? Does anyone much care about having the Celts as a civ?

it had nothing to do with 2k, but people don't seem to believe that.
and they can definitely drop a bombshell like zulu at the last minute.
and a lot of people wanted celts and huns. if i remember correctly, there was a mod released the day after civ 5 came out that added the celts as a civilization and i think i remember it being pretty successful, so that definitely says something. as for the huns, there have been tons of threads where people have argued about whether or not they should be in the game.
one person's preference really doesn't mean much for everybody else. for example, i really don't care about korea at all, but lots of people were excited about it being added into the game when it was.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Most city lists use English translations for cities whenever possible. For example, the capital of Rome isn't Roma.

Quite frankly i am bit surprised they are using Modern city names for Celts, my memory recalls that neither Civ 4 or Civ 3 had Dublin and Edinburgh (or Cardiff, which is I think 3rd/4th city for Celts in Civ 5), at least not straight away.

 

[PhilBowles]

it had nothing to do with 2k, but people don't seem to believe that.
and they can definitely drop a bombshell like zulu at the last minute.
and a lot of people wanted celts and huns. if i remember correctly, there was a mod released the day after civ 5 came out that added the celts as a civilization and i think i remember it being pretty successful, so that definitely says something. as for the huns, there have been tons of threads where people have argued about whether or not they should be in the game.
one person's preference really doesn't mean much for everybody else. for example, i really don't care about korea at all, but lots of people were excited about it being added into the game when it was.

I'm basing that mainly on 'what Civs should be added?' lists I've seen around here. I don't recall the Huns getting a mention, and the civs people wanted were dominated by the Netherlands, Maya, Zulu and a few that hadn't been in the game before. My own preference, Khmer, wasn't mentioned by many, but I noticed it more than references to the Celts.

 

[Gucumatz]

The key thing going for the idea is the leader - it does make a lot of sense for Bolivar to be in the game as South America's representative.



We've had the discussion over predecessor/successor states - and while I hope the Khmer make it in, Asia is at least moderately well-represented already. Having a second Peruvian civ, particularly one like the Chachapoyas who basically map onto the territory later claimed by the Inca, in an otherwise empty continent would be odd, as would having two for Mali and nowhere else for Africa. I'm also not sure what you'd add for them - mountain mummies?



Alexander is the leader of 'Greece' in the game, but it's not "his" Greece. Sparta was never under Alexander's rule (he even styled himself "King of all the Greeks except the Spartans"), yet that's the Greek second city in the game.

Sorry didnt see this post earlier...

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The Chachapoya have much more than just "mountain mummies". Along with Tiwanaku their territory was considered among the holiest in the Andes. They were a prevalent trading civilization that traded goods much further and to a larger extent than any civ prior or even after them in South America. Their populations were huge and were one of the most important civs in the Americas in regards to influence in their region. Fighting against the Huari, Inca, Spanish, etc. and in fact ending the Huari threat in South America. They revolutionized/introduced forms of pottery, mummification, fortress building, etc.

As I have said before the Chachapoya are to the Inca as the Maya/Olmec are to the Aztecs with plenty of significant differences (City State Coalitions, More Trade Focused, Major Religious importance, Jungle and Mountain based civ, etc.)

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Now I understand from previous posts of yours you group the Maya and Aztecs together as in practically the "same region" so perhaps that comparison isn't the best here, but in truth their region/niche is different in many ways and geographically.

 

[awesome]

I'm basing that mainly on 'what Civs should be added?' lists I've seen around here. I don't recall the Huns getting a mention, and the civs people wanted were dominated by the Netherlands, Maya, Zulu and a few that hadn't been in the game before. My own preference, Khmer, wasn't mentioned by many, but I noticed it more than references to the Celts.

i've seen tons of threads on here where people have talked about the celts and huns, especially the celts. i'm not really sure how i feel about the huns, either, but a lot of people want them.

 

[cccv]

I'm basing that mainly on 'what Civs should be added?' lists I've seen around here. I don't recall the Huns getting a mention, and the civs people wanted were dominated by the Netherlands, Maya, Zulu and a few that hadn't been in the game before. My own preference, Khmer, wasn't mentioned by many, but I noticed it more than references to the Celts.

I think Celts are popular. I know I'm all for them.

Huns weren't really announced early. They were just mentioned kind of offhand in an interview explaining why they threw in a Fall of Rome scenario. They weren't one of the official mentions when the game was announced. I wouldn't call their confirmation proof that only unpopular civs are going in at this point.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Quite frankly i am bit surprised they are using Modern city names for Celts, my memory recalls that neither Civ 4 or Civ 3 had Dublin and Edinburgh (or Cardiff, which is I think 3rd/4th city for Celts in Civ 5), at least not straight away.

In Civ2, the capital was Cardiff, so there is precedent.

 

[MARDUK80]

In Civ2, the capital was Cardiff, so there is precedent.

Yeah, makes me wonder a bit why they changed the Celtic capital from Bibracte to Edinburgh ? Guess it is some traditional thing with Celts in Civ (Celtic capitals: II Cardiff --> III Entremont --> IV Bibracte --> V Edinburgh) http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Celtic

 

[Pangur Bán]

If the leader is a Briton, then the capital should be in Britain. Colchester is a good capital, that was where the Romans built their capital when they conquered Britain (moved to London after revolt). Colchester is Camulodunum in 1st century Celtic, I guess it would be Dun Camelo or Caer Camelo if it survived in Celtic later (though it is clearly the model for Camelot and possibkt "King Cole" of later legend). Edinburgh sorta makes sense as the centre of the "Men of the North" and because it is an important settlement and is not in England, but 'Edinburgh' is a semi-calque from variants of Dun Etin/Din Eidyn (modern Gaelic Dùn Èideann).

 

[blackcatatonic]

Technically, if Boudicca is the leader of the Celts, the capital should be Venta Icenorum. But that sounds too Roman, and Caistor St. Edmund sounds like something out of Blackadder.

 

[Pangur Bán]

I don't think you need to be that specific, since Iceni is not a civ and there may be new leaders in future. And, yes, too Roman. People need to be aware that, though from a French or Italian or English perspective, the Celtic past vanished in the Roman or early medieval period, Celtic was still spoken in about half the British Isles throughout the Middle Ages.

 

[blackcatatonic]

I don't think you need to be that specific, since Iceni is not a civ and there may be new leaders in future. And, yes, too Roman. People need to be aware that, though from a French or Italian or English perspective, the Celtic past vanished in the Roman or early medieval period, Celtic was still spoken in about half the British Isles throughout the Middle Ages.

And is still alive and well (albeit on government-sponsored life-support) in Wales, parts of Scotland and arguably Cornwall.

I think it would have been neat if they had used Celtic forms for the city names rather than Anglicised forms - even using the different languages (so we could have had Dùn Èideann, Caerdydd, etc) - but I can equally see why they chose not to go down that route.

I'll be unimpressed if Boudicca ends up speaking Scottish Gaelic, though.

 

[Noah Kidd]

Am I the only one who can't wait to play the new civilizations in the Gods and Kings expansion? So far we know that Carthage, Maya, Netherland, Celtic, Huns, and Byzantium shall be added.... but what about the other three, considering that there shall be nine new civs? I am taking some pot shots and considering the Zulu, Polish, and Sioux... perhaps Belgians? Can't be sure! Anyone have thoughts on this subject of new civilizations?

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

You're forgetting the Huns !

 

[Noah Kidd]

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[The_J]

Am I the only one who can't wait to play the new civilizations in the Gods and Kings expansion? So far we know that Carthage, Maya, Netherland, Celtic, Huns, and Byzantium shall be added.... but what about the other three, considering that there shall be nine new civs? I am taking some pot shots and considering the Zulu, Polish, and Sioux... perhaps Belgians? Can't be sure! Anyone have thoughts on this subject of new civilizations?

Moderator Action: Threads merged.
Sorry, we already have a big thread for civ guessing.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Am I the only one who can't wait to play the new civilizations in the Gods and Kings expansion? So far we know that Carthage, Maya, Netherland, Celtic, Huns, and Byzantium shall be added.... but what about the other three, considering that there shall be nine new civs? I am taking some pot shots and considering the Zulu, Polish, and Sioux... perhaps Belgians? Can't be sure! Anyone have thoughts on this subject of new civilizations?

Nope, definitely not just you!

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah, makes me wonder a bit why they changed the Celtic capital from Bibracte to Edinburgh ? Guess it is some traditional thing with Celts in Civ (Celtic capitals: II Cardiff --> III Entremont --> IV Bibracte --> V Edinburgh) http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Celtic

I think the one consistent thing is that nothing has been consistent. Plus, some of those sites have been relatively random. With Boudicca as the leader and the addition of the Pictish Warrior, they seem to want to move towards the Insular Celts.

I'll be unimpressed if Boudicca ends up speaking Scottish Gaelic, though.

Well, I originally suggested Irish Gaelic (mostly because I have a friend who can translate it). There was a growing support for Welsh. Given the otherwise Scottish emphasis, I don't think Scottish Gaelic would be inappropriate. For the most part, they've gone with modern languages when that language is at least similar to the older version and the older version would be difficult to find. As long as they have some Gaelic language, I'll be happy.

The one exception to the list is Greek, where Alexander accurately speaks Attic Greek. This is a good thing, though, because Theodora will likely have to speak Greek as well. If they manage to get medieval Greek, I would be thrilled. However, if they get modern Greek, I'd be fine with it because Medieval Greek is at least the direct ancestor.

 

[Haig]

Noah Kidd, yeah I can imagine starting the very first G&K game as a new Civ and setting only new civs as adversaries. Although I'm intrigued also how the old civs turn out as well, and how they manage the new rules.

And about the remaining three Civs, I'll bet that Poland makes it as they have a big fanbase and suit well the medieval scenario with Ottoman threat.

I'm also wondering the Great Admiral civilopedia art, are the ship's flag colours possibly Austrias? or Poland or England? Or just red and white for no big reason.

I think Sioux and Zulu will make good DLC Civs so maybe they won't be in G&K.

 

[Uberfrog]

Well, I originally suggested Irish Gaelic (mostly because I have a friend who can translate it). There was a growing support for Welsh. Given the otherwise Scottish emphasis, I don't think Scottish Gaelic would be inappropriate. For the most part, they've gone with modern languages when that language is at least similar to the older version and the older version would be difficult to find. As long as they have some Gaelic language, I'll be happy.

Technically, Boudicca would have spoken a Brythonic rather than Gaelic language, and Welsh would be the most widely spoken modern example of those. (Interestingly, Pictish may well also be an example of Brythonic Celtic language, with Gaelic being established in Scotland once the Scots came over from Ireland).

But since Boudicca's kingdom as seen in her leader screen would appear to draw more from the Scottish glens than the frankly horizontiginous fens of her native East Anglia, I wouldn't be surprised if she spoke Irish or Scots Gaelic.