Guilty of rape by deception

[warpus]

What I also was wondering.. don't Jewish guys have strange looking penises? Or do Palestinians get circumsised too?

 

[El_Machinae]

Seems to me like this is something applicable to various things, but never enforced in the case of usual sexual consent.

And it shouldn't.. otherwise you're looking at prosecuting millions of people every day for this.

Yes, there's common sense required. Obviously not all technical breaches are worth prosecuting. But you have to realise when this type of issue would kick in.

If a person lies and then gets laid, there's a sexual assault if the person who consented feels molested after finding out the truth. That's when the law is active.

People who're arguing against such a principle are saying "no, you should be able to lie and defraud someone to get laid, even about things that would result in them feeling molested afterward." I know people like to think that sexual activity is animalistic and should abide by the laws of the jungle: but that's just not the way we're moving and is not the way the law sees it. We see sexual consent as important. We see the concept of 'consent' as important. It's going to be defended, and it's going to continue to be clarified the way I'm describing it.

The way contract law works is clear in the case law. The way consent works is clear in the case law. And sexual assault laws are going to continue moving this way, because it helps people who once would have been victims. You cannot lie to get consent. Sexual activity requires consent.

 

[Silurian]

What I also was wondering.. don't Jewish guys have strange looking penises? Or do Palestinians get circumsised too?

Jewish guys and ones from Jerusalem are the same

 

[LucyDuke]

However, if a Muslim woman was in the same situation, the Jew should be convicted.

I dunno about you.

Sexual activity requires consent.

You need to reconcile that with the billions of instances of people enthusiastically going to a nearby building together without doing any (or wanting to do any) homework.

 

[GhostWriter16]

So when does witholding information to have sex actually a crime?

What if you lie about an STD and it gets transferred?

What if you lie about an STD and it doesnt get transferred? But you still lied about it to get laid?

What if your a transvestite and trick someone of the same sex to have sex with you? Is that criminal?

I think there are some instances where lying to get laid should be criminal, however, I am not so sure lying about your nationality or race is one of them.

I would agree in the United States. However, the thing is, in Israel, it is considered WRONG for Jews to lay with Gentiles. I don't agree with them, but that's their religion, they say if you aren't in the JEWISH FAITH you shouldn't get married to them, same thing with Christians in the Christian faith.

In all of your three, there should be severe consequences, as it is obviously taking someones rights and can scar them for life (I might kill them for the first one, and I'd want to kill them for the third one because I'd be so scared.)

Race? Not so much I agree. 18 Months was harsh. But, should there be any consequence? I think in this instance yes, except for the fact that she lied and claimed violent rape. They should both be punished.

 

[El_Machinae]

You can consent to uninformed sex. This is why issues like STDs needed to be clarified. People consent to unprotected sex, but it was unclear if they'd consented to sexual activity with a STD risk. It ... just wasn't clear. This is why laws are being passed where people have to announce if they're a risk to their partner. In normal assault law, you cannot consent to bodily harm (I'm using a casual term for a complex definition). You could, however, consent to the risk of bodily harm. So, in older instance, if you got an STD, it was an assault. But it wasn't an assault if you didn't; or more clearly, it wasn't clear.

With pregnancy, the assumption is that 'pregnancy can happen'. However, lying about being infertile would become sexual assault.

 

[warpus]

If a person lies and then gets laid, there's a sexual assault if the person who consented feels molested after finding out the truth. That's when the law is active.

Sure, but if I lied about the name of my great-grandfather, it shouldn't factor into it. If I lied about once being a banker, it shouldn't either. Obviously if I lie about not having AIDS, and I do, that should.

So where do you draw the line? If I tell her that I own a yacht, and I don't, can I be prosecuted?

The western courtship ritual involves a lot of lying, or at least bending of the truth. You can't criminalize something like that.

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, don't lie to a woman who'd feel molested after she found out the truth. "Buyer Beware" works both ways.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Sure, but if I lied about the name of my great-grandfather, it shouldn't factor into it. If I lied about once being a banker, it shouldn't either. Obviously if I lie about not having AIDS, and I do, that should.

So where do you draw the line? If I tell her that I own a yacht, and I don't, can I be prosecuted?

The western courtship ritual involves a lot of lying, or at least bending of the truth. You can't criminalize something like that.

Its morally wrong to lie. But, I think legally we're agreeing. A line needs to be drawn somewhere, one side of it is obviously criminal, the other side obviously isn't. I think this case is right on the line.

 

[nonconformist]

I would agree in the United States. However, the thing is, in Israel, it is considered WRONG for Jews to lay with Gentiles. I don't agree with them, but that's their religion, they say if you aren't in the JEWISH FAITH you shouldn't get married to them, same thing with Christians in the Christian faith.

I think Jews also have something against "premarital sex" and "getting screwed thirty seconds after meeting someone"

 

[MobBoss]

What I also was wondering.. don't Jewish guys have strange looking penises? Or do Palestinians get circumsised too?

Being circumsized is strange?

Since when?

But aside from a joke being in there somewhere, that would have been a dead giveaway.....

I would agree in the United States. However, the thing is, in Israel, it is considered WRONG for Jews to lay with Gentiles. I don't agree with them, but that's their religion, they say if you aren't in the JEWISH FAITH you shouldn't get married to them, same thing with Christians in the Christian faith.

Been a christian a pretty long time and I havent heard that one. In fact, I do believe there is a passage in the NT that tells a christian woman to stay with her unbelieving husband so that he be saved by her faith and virtue.

So pardon me if I think your wrong on that one, at least where christians are concerned.

 

[storealex]

This is a dangerous precedence.

 

[warpus]

Well, don't lie to a woman who'd feel molested after she found out the truth. "Buyer Beware" works both ways.

If she finds out I'm not really an architect, I could get in legal trouble? I hope that is not what you are saying.

Where would you draw the line?

Being circumsized is strange?

Since when?

Outside of the muslim/jewish world, north america, and I think australia, it is strange, yes.

edit: didn't know that they did that in the muslim world, until i looked it up 5 mins ago

 

[storealex]

Being circumsized is strange?

Since when?

Since nature gave you a penis and some guy said "hey, lets use a scissor on it!"

 

[GhostWriter16]

I think Jews also have something against "premarital sex" and "getting screwed thirty seconds after meeting someone"

Yes, they do, so I suppose that makes it even more complex.

Being circumsized is strange?

Since when?

But aside from a joke being in there somewhere, that would have been a dead giveaway.....



Been a christian a pretty long time and I havent heard that one. In fact, I do believe there is a passage in the NT that tells a christian woman to stay with her unbelieving husband so that he be saved by her faith and virtue.

So pardon me if I think your wrong on that one, at least where christians are concerned.

Well, I'm a Christian too and as far as I understand the Bible you are correct. However, you aren't supposed to marry them in the first place if they aren't a Christian (Do not be unequally yoked) however if you already married them divorcing them only makes it worse and so is forbidden.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

If she finds out I'm not really an architect, I could get in legal trouble? I hope that is not what you are saying.

Where would you draw the line?

You're a software architect aren't you? No deception there.

EDIT: I used to work with a guy who when he was back home in Newcastle used to say he loaded milk crates for a living rather than telling girls he was a programmer 'cos no-one would understand

I also worked with a guy on a building site during holidays at Uni who used to leave the house every morning wearing a suit, get changed into his builders gear and change back before going home to his wife. He told her he worked in a bank

 

[Silurian]

You're a software architect aren't you? No deception there.

She thought he was Jewish because he gave a Jewish name.

An architect is completly different to a software architect so off to jail for 18 months

 

[warpus]

I read another story about this, on BBC

But according to Kashur, he did not pretend to be Jewish.

He told reporters that he is known by friends and family by the nickname Dudu, which is more commonly used by Jews called David.

Seems like there wasn't even any deception.. if he is to be believed, of course.. I, for one, believe him, but you draw your own conclusions.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I read another story about this, on BBC



Seems like there wasn't even any deception.. if he is to be believed, of course.. I, for one, believe him, but you draw your own conclusions.

If he is telling the truth you are correct.

 

[Gabryel Karolin]

Swedish media ran this piece of news with the headline "False Jew convicted of rape", raised my eyebrows for a second before I read it through.