Guy from Scotland faces year in prison for training his dog (to do the Nazi salute)

[Timsup2nothin]

When your voice stands alone you harden to weather the onslaught.

That's one option.

 

[Borachio]

Another is to consider the admittedly remote possibility that you might be wrong.

But I could be wrong about that.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I hope that's aimed at everyone in this thread. And indeed the world. At all times. Always.

 

[Borachio]

I hope that's aimed at everyone in this thread. And indeed the world. At all times. Always.

Indeed, it is.

Certainty isn't a luxury that human beings have, imo

 

[Berzerker]

except for death and taxes

 

[Timsup2nothin]

except for death and taxes

I haven't paid (income) taxes in a long time, and I ain't dead. Not trying to argue with a well accepted truism...just sayin'.

 

[Ryika]

So would it be OK for a group of neo-Nazis to parade in front of a synagogue and shout "Gas the Jews" as long as they accompanied it with "LOL. Joking"?

I'm just asking, not intending to be provocative at all.

"LOL. Joking."

(I am really.)

You see, we just don't know this numpty in the video. His agenda could be really dark. And unacceptably anti-Semitic.

Here's a snippet from South Park that was broadcast in TV all over the world, surely including Scotland:

Spoilered because... I don't even know, I have a feeling I need to because reasons.

Spoiler :

"Es ist Zeit für Reich." -> "It's time for the (Nazi) Reich."
"Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten." -> "We must exterminate the Jews."

Do we also need to think about the producers of south park? Do we have to consider that they might have an unacceptably anti-semitic agenda and should we prosecute them for that "Just in case!"?
Because theoretically, their intention might have been to create the episode to make the idea that "Maybe it's time for the Nazis to rise again!" more acceptable.
They may just really hate Jews (I think Matt Stone is a Jew himself? What a bizarre case of self-hatred!) but are aware that they can't speak about it openly.

But do we have any evidence for that? I don't think so. The explanation that it's satire, and that you're not meant to cheer for Cartman - even though some Nazis who lack the intelligence to understand the satire surely would feel emboldened by the episode - is pretty obvious, but at the same time, just by watching the episode, we can only make an informed guess, right? We cannot know, so given the circumstances, we should go with the much more obvious explanation. Because if we all acted like Tim, then surely the guys who made south park and everybody who enjoys edgy satire would be rotting in jail right now.

As for the video, do we have any evidence for the hypothesis that he might have a dark agenda? Well, he's a left wing guy who started and ended the video by denouncing Nazism, and has given a coherent (if childish) reason for why he chose to train the dog that way, which was to annoy his girlfriend (so the dog reacting positively to Nazi-stuff is also a bad thing). I would say it's pretty clear that the evidence goes against the thesis.

That's also MILES away from going to a Jewish gathering and saying anti-Semitic things under the guise of humor. He did not target a Jewish audience and attempted to offend them, he just accepted that some Jews might see his videos and that a few of those who see his video might be offended - the same thing that everybody who broadcast that specific south park episode accepted.

If he had actually made the video to further some sort of anti-Semitic agenda, then surely he would have acted differently. He could have skipped that whole part about having trained his dog where he denounced Nazism twice and just have made a video: "My dog is a Nazi!", where he shows his (girlfriend's) dog reacting to Nazi phrases, and could have claimed that he has no idea why that is the way it is. The dog would have become a hero in far right circles, and some people who were not part of the far right before might be dragged into those circles, plus there would be far less reason to prosecute him, because he would just do it under the guise of showing the world his weird dog, the fact that the dog's behavior is of his doing would not be known to anybody.

In my opinion, pretending that the guy is on the one hand clever enough to disguise his anti-Semitic views as satire and come up with this complicated ploy, but not intelligent enough to do it in a much less complicated way that would have spared him a lot of trouble, is pretty ridiculous. There's just no reasonable case for this at all.

 

[Kyriakos]

Guy in Troy has snakes sent against him and his sons, for trying to warn the trojans

 

[Borachio]

Here's a snippet from South Park that was broadcast in TV all over the world, surely including Scotland:
<snip>

Er. I suppose we could go on to discuss a lot of this.

But I think I've already spent more than enough time on this particular numpty.