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ThERat
Deity
@own, thats good to know but we have to get there first, it's not as if this UU is around the corner
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
Got it. Will tell those damn kids to get off our lawn before I turn the sprinklers on.
Ya, Spain really is not so good if you meet two civs too early for the reasons stated. Definitely the hardest part is getting to the UU, once we get there, Spain is a strong AW civ if we can get an army or two.
It sounds like a difficult start for any civ however.
It sounds like a difficult start for any civ however.
handy900
Deity
It's hard on AWD with any civ if you meet 2 others too early in the game. It stunts expansion and pins you back in a corner like we find ourselves in this game. Since we don't have math we have no cats to wound AI as they stroll past the front lines. They pillage, putting us futher behind since production & commerce grind to a halt.
But that's why our eventual AWD win will be so satisfying - it's hard to pull off.
But that's why our eventual AWD win will be so satisfying - it's hard to pull off.
ThERat
Deity
that's why I actually liked my Celt start. Not a single contact early on (it's continents so we definitely have neighbors). Time to expand before being cornered...but as everyone said, if we bite the dust with Spain, we can try Celts.
Romeo, show them what is a real warmonger
Romeo, show them what is a real warmonger
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
IHT: Not much for a grumpy man to do. The dang whippersnappers in front of me are too prepared.
IBT: Kill a korean archer, and a korean sword. Bab sword kills elite spear at valencia, vet spear kills 2 bows and promotes. (4-1).
Turn 1: Not much happening
IBT: No attacks.
Turn 2: Celts build the ToA. Archer whacks spear. (5-1).
IBT: We killed a korean archer, and a bab warrior. Bab bow kills warrior on Mountain. (7-2).
Turn 3: USe a spear to kill a 1 hp bowman on a Mt. (8-2). Math in Wheel do in 5.
IBT: Kill bab bow, kill bab warrior, get 2 promotions to elite. (10-2)
Turn 4: Lose an elite archer to a reg spear. Kill spear with vet archer. (11-3)
IBT: Kinda sucky, lose 2 elite spears to swords. Even got a pult shot on one of them. (11-5)
Turn 5: Moving.
IBT: Not much Myst to wheel in 4.
Turn 6: Will get dicey here. To top it off Madrid decides to party without letting me. The cops have to show up and charge me a turns worth of production.
IBT: No attacks.
Turn 7: Our pults kinda suck. Vet archer kills reg spear. (12-5)
IBT: Lose a spear despite a pult hit to a reg sword. Kill sword and bowman at Barcelona. (14-6).
Turn 8: Our situation is so bleak that the only think I can think to do is to attack. Built settler and try and settle him aggressively.
IBT: Dutch build the MoM in The Hauge.
Turn 9: I am so grumpy at the AI. They are parading all over my lawn. They are playing their music really loud. All I can do is yell at them.
IBT: Babs lose a sword, AI parades on. Dang kids. (15-6)
Turn 10: Battening down the hatches. In the good new catergory we have ponies under Murcia.
Apparently I got so grumpy I lost a turn in here. Bummer guys.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Hndy17_730BC.SAV
IBT: Kill a korean archer, and a korean sword. Bab sword kills elite spear at valencia, vet spear kills 2 bows and promotes. (4-1).
Turn 1: Not much happening
IBT: No attacks.
Turn 2: Celts build the ToA. Archer whacks spear. (5-1).
IBT: We killed a korean archer, and a bab warrior. Bab bow kills warrior on Mountain. (7-2).
Turn 3: USe a spear to kill a 1 hp bowman on a Mt. (8-2). Math in Wheel do in 5.
IBT: Kill bab bow, kill bab warrior, get 2 promotions to elite. (10-2)
Turn 4: Lose an elite archer to a reg spear. Kill spear with vet archer. (11-3)
IBT: Kinda sucky, lose 2 elite spears to swords. Even got a pult shot on one of them. (11-5)
Turn 5: Moving.
IBT: Not much Myst to wheel in 4.
Turn 6: Will get dicey here. To top it off Madrid decides to party without letting me. The cops have to show up and charge me a turns worth of production.
IBT: No attacks.
Turn 7: Our pults kinda suck. Vet archer kills reg spear. (12-5)
IBT: Lose a spear despite a pult hit to a reg sword. Kill sword and bowman at Barcelona. (14-6).
Turn 8: Our situation is so bleak that the only think I can think to do is to attack. Built settler and try and settle him aggressively.
IBT: Dutch build the MoM in The Hauge.
Turn 9: I am so grumpy at the AI. They are parading all over my lawn. They are playing their music really loud. All I can do is yell at them.
IBT: Babs lose a sword, AI parades on. Dang kids. (15-6)
Turn 10: Battening down the hatches. In the good new catergory we have ponies under Murcia.
Apparently I got so grumpy I lost a turn in here. Bummer guys.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Hndy17_730BC.SAV
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Whenever possible, try a skim a settler somewhere so we can complete the backfill. That will help our support costs, our economy and our science rate.
ThERat
Deity
I think we filled everything in the back or did I miss something? Southeast is all mountains, maybe try and settle agressive? We have to get swords and possibly an army, that would save us.ThERat said:
You didn't miss anything.
@ Bugs, unfortunately we don't have support cost issues, and don't have the production to get there either.
I have played a couple of turns and the red tide is coming in. The babs are spamming bowmen in their GA like nobodys business. They have horses and iron according to CivAssist II. If they were smart and were sending horses and swords instead we would be toast. Maybe they are and they just haven't shown up yet.
I can't even keep the roads connecting our cities from being pillaged due to lack of units.
Oh, and as if we didn't have enough problems, William showed up on the first inter-turn in a galley.
We are now at war with the Dutch
He is in the Middle Ages as well and he knows Lit, and has built the Lighthouse.
Edit - for spelling
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
The red tide is kinda annoying. I kinda got stung by the RNG a little bit to make it worse.
We still have some kick in us though. We may luck out and have this be like the AWS that was won. The other guys never built TGL as they got to education too fast.
I propose the Romeo plan (kind of like the Schiefflen? plan of WW1) Build Great library, get catapulted to steam, revolt, hand off the anarchy turns to T_McC, and write it in the win column.
It is a very simple plan is it not?
We still have some kick in us though. We may luck out and have this be like the AWS that was won. The other guys never built TGL as they got to education too fast.
I propose the Romeo plan (kind of like the Schiefflen? plan of WW1) Build Great library, get catapulted to steam, revolt, hand off the anarchy turns to T_McC, and write it in the win column.
It is a very simple plan is it not?
So it seems likely we won't get the GLib and we now have 3 opponents? Does not sound good.
Inherited turn:
Hmmm, doesnt look real good does it?
Take stock, we have 4 warriors, 4 archers, and 7 spears. We are up against 2 Deity AIs and the Babs are having a Golden Age and probably spitting out a sword per turn from their capital.
I look at F7 hoping the Babs capital is wonder building but its not.
They are building the Great Wall in Nineveh however.
To top it off there is a Bab galley by undefended Murcia that could possibly dump 2 units on the doorstep during the inter-turn. The only thing that could reach that town is a warrior out of River City. Peachy!!
Hell, Im grumpy already.
Not much I can do except hit enter.
IBT: Korean spear pillages mtn road between Madrid and Santiago.
2 Bab bowmen attack Seville, both pults score hits on defense. One dies and the other kills one of our Vet archers. (1-1)
Just great a Dutch galley shows up off the coast of Valencia.
No deals possible. We are at war with the Dutch.
Turn 1: 710 B.C.
Cats in Seville go 2 for 3 on offense. What really sucks is there are now 2 redlined bowmen by the city and I cant kill them without exposing units on the inter-turn.
Cat in Barcelona scores a hit on a sword. Maybe hell retreat to heal. Im not going to try and kill him on that mtn, not with an archer.
I cant afford to take that chance. Im just going to try and hang on till we can get some swords built.
Knock science down a notch. Still get HBR in 3 but the bleeding is cut in half.
IBT: Babs want to talk. No thanks.
No attacks but more units moving in.
Madrid spear>sword.
Turn 2: 690 B.C.
Cats go 3 for 3 on offense. Vet archers kill 2 reg bowman at Seville but 1 is now redlined. (3-1)
I really wish we had built a rax in this town before starting the prebuild so they could heal in 1 turn
IBT: Korea goes into the Middle Ages. Korean spear pillages mined grass at Seville.
Turn 3: 670 B.C. Cats go 3 for 3 again. Kill a wounded bowman but the archer I used is redlined and SE of Barcelona. Nothing can get to him in the inter-turn though. (4-1)
IBT: HBR comes in. Set to Poly in 12. I thought about going for Lit now, but our prebuild is slowed down due to pillaging, and Monarchy would really help. No attacks because of the great luck I have had with the pults.
Madrid spear>spear
Toledo sword>sword. Finally!!
Turn 4: 650 B.C. Take a chance and attack across a river with a spear and kill that annoying redlined Korean spear pillaging mofo.
Warrior kills vet archer at Barcelona. (6-1)
That river between Seville and Madrid is annoying as all hell.
Six units can attack Seville next turn and I only have 2 archers there thanks to that damn river. 2 of the six are hurt but
IBT: Babs capture Seville. There goes the prebuild and it cuts the empire in two. Madrid riots due to the loss of ivory and spices. Used scroll ahead to catch the others.
Stopping here and post log and save. This game is toast.
I dont know what else I could have done here. Im sure there is something but being a newbie to AW Im not sure what it is.
Sorry guys.
I had a bad feeling about this from the get go.
Hmmm, doesnt look real good does it?
Take stock, we have 4 warriors, 4 archers, and 7 spears. We are up against 2 Deity AIs and the Babs are having a Golden Age and probably spitting out a sword per turn from their capital.
I look at F7 hoping the Babs capital is wonder building but its not.
They are building the Great Wall in Nineveh however.
To top it off there is a Bab galley by undefended Murcia that could possibly dump 2 units on the doorstep during the inter-turn. The only thing that could reach that town is a warrior out of River City. Peachy!!
Hell, Im grumpy already.
Not much I can do except hit enter.
IBT: Korean spear pillages mtn road between Madrid and Santiago.
2 Bab bowmen attack Seville, both pults score hits on defense. One dies and the other kills one of our Vet archers. (1-1)
Just great a Dutch galley shows up off the coast of Valencia.
No deals possible. We are at war with the Dutch.
Turn 1: 710 B.C.
Cats in Seville go 2 for 3 on offense. What really sucks is there are now 2 redlined bowmen by the city and I cant kill them without exposing units on the inter-turn.
Cat in Barcelona scores a hit on a sword. Maybe hell retreat to heal. Im not going to try and kill him on that mtn, not with an archer.
I cant afford to take that chance. Im just going to try and hang on till we can get some swords built.
Knock science down a notch. Still get HBR in 3 but the bleeding is cut in half.
IBT: Babs want to talk. No thanks.
No attacks but more units moving in.
Madrid spear>sword.
Turn 2: 690 B.C.
Cats go 3 for 3 on offense. Vet archers kill 2 reg bowman at Seville but 1 is now redlined. (3-1)
I really wish we had built a rax in this town before starting the prebuild so they could heal in 1 turn
IBT: Korea goes into the Middle Ages. Korean spear pillages mined grass at Seville.
Turn 3: 670 B.C. Cats go 3 for 3 again. Kill a wounded bowman but the archer I used is redlined and SE of Barcelona. Nothing can get to him in the inter-turn though. (4-1)
IBT: HBR comes in. Set to Poly in 12. I thought about going for Lit now, but our prebuild is slowed down due to pillaging, and Monarchy would really help. No attacks because of the great luck I have had with the pults.
Madrid spear>spear
Toledo sword>sword. Finally!!
Turn 4: 650 B.C. Take a chance and attack across a river with a spear and kill that annoying redlined Korean spear pillaging mofo.
Warrior kills vet archer at Barcelona. (6-1)
That river between Seville and Madrid is annoying as all hell.
Six units can attack Seville next turn and I only have 2 archers there thanks to that damn river. 2 of the six are hurt but
IBT: Babs capture Seville. There goes the prebuild and it cuts the empire in two. Madrid riots due to the loss of ivory and spices. Used scroll ahead to catch the others.
Stopping here and post log and save. This game is toast.
I dont know what else I could have done here. Im sure there is something but being a newbie to AW Im not sure what it is.
Sorry guys.
I had a bad feeling about this from the get go.
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