Harry Potter

Are you going to read the new Harry Potter book?


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@ North King & Capulet: I'll have you know that while I was working in the film industry, I was responsible for a lot of dramatic writing and script editing. I've been trained ad nauseum in a number of screenwriting and dramatic writing disciplines. I took these skills on to prose writing also. Now generally you will find that most publishing houses and production companies will make their mind up on a story in a matter of minutes.

How? You read the abstract/pitch/treatment for the outline plot. If that makes sense then you read the first page for the style. If you're still happy, you read on, jumping pages to ensure the style is maintained and serves the plot with good delivery. If you're still happy, you either develop the script and make the film (if the story has legs through development) or you publish the book.

Harry Potter fell at the first hurdle for me. ~ It was a clear rip-off and too similar to Earthsea. If you read the book you will find there are many more similarities than just 'magic'. It was also too close to much Greek and Roman mythology. It was also clear to me that there was too much of a reliance upon existing mythology and that she failed to apply enough invention to 'make them her own'. Result? The plot rang like a bell without a peel.

I gave it a chance at the second and it fell again. ~ JKR does has a very childish style of writing. It isn't one which I feel inspires much joy for the written word in a child. It's basic, not very colourful and the dialogue is wooden, cliched and forced. And like I say, she also fails to reinvent any of the myths (Cerberus the three headed dog for eg) with enough ingenuity, which frankly left me disappointed. Instead she provides a pastiche, a clumsy cut and paste job, where she picks up one image (the dog) and just slaps it into her scrap book of other cuttings. The result is very 2 dimensional. All this stacked up to a big fat no vote for me.

That's just my opinion. But it is a well trained one and one that has had good money thrown at it to come up with the kind of glib statements you are rolling your eyes at.

And before you go on about what a big mistake I made in turning down what has become a tearaway publishing phenomenon, consider that I wouldn't run a cheapo, rip-off publishing house, which patronises cultural dilution.

*gets off his soap box*
 
I will be reading the new book, though am doubtful as to how much I will enjoy it. I am secretely hoping that all characters besides Snape will die, and the seventh book will be called Snape's Big Adventure. He'll save the day, not that angsty Potter and his puny friends.

In all seriousness though, I preferred the first three books. More fun and less determined to forge a long-term story over seven books. I am hoping for a massive wizard war in this book though. With carnage.
 
Rambuchan said:
@ North King & Capulet: I'll have you know that while I was working in the film industry, I was responsible for a lot of dramatic writing and script editing. I've been trained ad nauseum in a number of screenwriting and dramatic writing disciplines. I took these skills on to prose writing also. Now generally you will find that most publishing houses and production companies will make their mind up on a story in a matter of minutes.

All the worse for them.

How? You read the abstract/pitch/treatment for the outline plot. If that makes sense then you read the first page for the style. If you're still happy, you read on, jumping pages to ensure the style is maintained and serves the plot with good delivery. If you're still happy, you either develop the script and make the film (if the story has legs through development) or you publish the book.

That's a very bad way to read a book. I'm sorry if that's how "industry professionals" do it, because it utterly fails in making any kind of valid judgement. If you'd actually taken the time to delve deeper in the books, and actually read them, well, I continue below.

Harry Potter fell at the first hurdle for me. ~ It was a clear rip-off and too similar to Earthsea. If you read the book you will find there are many more similarities than just 'magic'. It was also too close to much Greek and Roman mythology. It was also clear to me that there was too much of a reliance upon existing mythology and that she failed to apply enough invention to 'make them her own'. Result? The plot rang like a bell without a peel.

"Clear ripoff". Perhaps if you'd care to read the books without expecting them to be something completely different from anything you've ever read (which, frankly, is impossible), then you'd notice the depth and layered plot. Perhaps you'd noticed that the book is more than just a story of magic, but a story of epic battles, romance, friendship, betrayal, fate, choices, and yes, magic, rolled into one.

I gave it a chance at the second and it fell again. ~ JKR does has a very childish style of writing. It isn't one which I feel inspires much joy for the written word in a child. It's basic, not very colourful and the dialogue is wooden, cliched and forced. And like I say, she also fails to reinvent any of the myths (Cerberus the three headed dog for eg) with enough ingenuity, which frankly left me disappointed. Instead she provides a pastiche, a clumsy cut and paste job, where she picks up one image (the dog) and just slaps it into her scrap book of other cuttings. The result is very 2 dimensional. All this stacked up to a big fat no vote for me.

Childish writing. Yes, because a book whose very first chapter conveys brilliantly the death and loss of a loved one, the terrible evil that murder brings, is childish. Of course, you wouldn't know that, since you skimmed the first one and failed to read any more.

That's just my opinion. But it is a well trained one and one that has had good money thrown at it to come up with the kind of glib statements you are rolling your eyes at.

Given what the publishing industry puts out these days, I'm not too inclined to respect them any more than I would the average reader. Sorry.

And before you go on about what a big mistake I made in turning down what has become a tearaway publishing phenomenon, consider that I wouldn't run a cheapo, rip-off publishing house, which patronises cultural dilution.

*gets off his soap box*

You know, you really should realize that the first book was meant more as a children's book. The protagonist is ELEVEN. What do you expect?

Not to mention, it's hardly meant as a standalone novel with plot completed.

The first book is a children's novel. But when you read the rest of the novels, it is much, much more.
 
Well I'm going to get it. I like the books, they don't have any big words in them. :)
 
And a good way to spend a lazy afternoon. My lady and I intend to sit in a park and read our copies. I intend to read faster and gasp at important events. I'm cruel like that.
 
aneeshm said:
I'll buy the paperback , because I have no wish to pay a hugely inflated price . I'm patient , and not really too affected by hype , so . . . . . . .

You know preordering the books brings the price down to $16, IIRC...
 
They're selling them where I work and I wonder if a lot of people are going to buy them

I've enjoyed the books, but I'll probably wait until later, when its cheaper, before I buy it.
 
Rambuchan, I'm sorry, your complete dismissal of the books without even making a serious attempt to read them has lost you all respect I had for you.
 
Rambuchan: Hate to be a Bible-thumper, but all I really have to say about your view of the book as unoriginal is summed up quite well in Ecclesiastes: "That which has been is that which will be; and that which has been done is that which will be done: and there is nothing new under the sun. "

They knew that two and a half thousand years ago. At this point, it's only gotten more true than it was then.

I'm not as extreme as Cuivi, though. I still quite like you, even if I disagree with most things you say. ;)
 
I read the first book and I thought it was pretty good. I then read the second one and it was okay. When I finished the third book I realized that I had just read the same book three times. Granted, the details changed, but the general plot was identical. Also, Harry didn't mature. He was the same naive, reasonably intelligent, brave-when-he-has-to-be kid at the end of the third book as he was at the beginning of the first book.

No, I shall not be reading book 7 (or whatever the number is), just like I didn't read any of the books from #4 on.
 
North King said:
You know preordering the books brings the price down to $16, IIRC...

We have a wonderful place called 'Bargain Books'. Sells everything much, much cheaper.

"£17 for the hardback book just released? Nah, let's bring that down to £10"

Granted the paperback will be even cheaper, but I like hardback copies of books.
 
Arr, while I wait for my brothers to finish it, I will get started on George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire. :D
 
YNCS said:
I read the first book and I thought it was pretty good. I then read the second one and it was okay. When I finished the third book I realized that I had just read the same book three times. Granted, the details changed, but the general plot was identical. Also, Harry didn't mature. He was the same naive, reasonably intelligent, brave-when-he-has-to-be kid at the end of the third book as he was at the beginning of the first book.

No, I shall not be reading book 7 (or whatever the number is), just like I didn't read any of the books from #4 on.

6, I think. In the last book, his character was very different. I'm not sure if he's matured, but he's becoming a bit more egotistical and, at the same time, overwhelmed by what's happening and what he has to face.

How long is this book anyway? They seem to keep getting longer.
 
You shouldnt be judging the whole Harry Potter series if you have only read one or two books. As the books go on, they become much deeper and darker. Personally, I have read each book so far and will get the new one (#6 IIRC). I enjoy reading them. Not everyone has to like Harry Potter, but unless you have read the whole series, dont start insulting the series. If you have a problem with 1 or 2 books, then i have no problem with you stating your opinion about those 1 or 2 books, rather than the whole series. If you didnt read the series because those books were boring, fine but if you start saying the series is ______ and you havent read all the books, then people wont like it.
 
Louis XXIV said:
6, I think. In the last book, his character was very different. I'm not sure if he's matured, but he's becoming a bit more egotistical and, at the same time, overwhelmed by what's happening and what he has to face.

How long is this book anyway? They seem to keep getting longer.

600 and some pages, I think 672.
 
I'll be reading...but I like the genre and try to read as many fantasy books as I can...

and for some reason...I can't remember reading a book I didn't at least find acceptable or likable...maybe my standards are too low?
 
Can't say I am an uber-fan, but they are a nice causual read, that you don't have to think about too much, and are fairly entertaining...I will get around to reading it, but not gonna wait in any damn lines for it.

With the Harry Potter movies, Lemony Snicket, and then Narnia, I got to admit, the little kid with magic powers or something theme is getting abit annoying.
 
I have not read any of the books and don't plan on reading this one. Not my favourite genre.
I will not pass any further judgement as that would be very unreasonable, given that I never read any of them. The book sure appears to suck, though.
 
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