MeteorPunch
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I've thought of the perfect ultimate ending for the harry potter series. i might skim through the cliffnotes of the 7th book to see if jk was smart enough to think of it. 
Harry Potter
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has anyone read it yet, im about 1/4 through some big things all ready
Darth_Pugwash
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I got it last night, and all of the staff at the bookshop were dressed as witches and wizards.
I haven't started reading it yet, I'll probably start sometime today.
I haven't started reading it yet, I'll probably start sometime today.
aneeshm
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North King said:
I'll read the book on my computer ( get it via bit torrent ) , and buy a paperback when it becomes available ( because I respect Rowling's copyright ) . I'd not have done this had they released the paperback in a reasonable amount of time , or if they had charged reasonable ( by Indian standards ) prices for the hardcover .
aneeshm
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Rambuchan said:
One of the reasons that HP is as popular today is because it is unapologetically moralistic - you know the good guys , you know the bad guys , and there are virtually no shades of gray ( at least in the main plotline ) , that people are judged on the basis of their actions and those actions' effects , and that , in general , the books are not ashamed of what they are . They're like a throwback to the spirit of the joy of simply reading a good book that was there in the 19th century . Children who have been deprived of such literature , specially in the US public school system ( with its undue stress on "political correctness" and other thought-hindering and other similar crap ) , will treat the books like a drowning man will treat a breath of fresh air .
Syterion
Voodoo Economist
What about Snape?
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Fair enough Aneeshm, I agree with that. Anyway, I've said my bit on HP and won't go on about it.aneeshm said:
Lozzy_Ozzy
Rapture
Sorry, but IMHO there is WAYYYYYYYYYYY too much hype over HP.
If it was really that good it might have a reason to it, but most people only want it so bad so they can be 'cooler' from reading it first
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There are far better books already around and on release at the moment...
If it was really that good it might have a reason to it, but most people only want it so bad so they can be 'cooler' from reading it first
.There are far better books already around and on release at the moment...
Rambuchan
The Funky President
*sneaks back into the thread*Lozzy_Ozzy said:Sorry, but IMHO there is WAYYYYYYYYYYY too much hype over HP.
If it was really that good it might have a reason to it, but most people only want it so bad so they can be 'cooler' from reading it first
There are far better books already around and on release at the moment...
Lozzy.
Gelion
Retired Captain
Guys don't get me wrong. I like the book, I've read it all. I'm not partuicyularly in love with it all the time, save for when I read it. I've seen all movies. One thing that bugs me about this book.
I've noticed that it promotes a certian behaviour in children. Now I am in my 20's (yes yes
) and I can hadle certain propagada. But there are kids who are just over 8-10 who are going to read this book (its a children's book allright). Doesn't all this "challenge of authority, trust noone, adults are as smart as kids, use any method to beat your enemies, there will always be enemies, killings and so on" worry you? I find this book MAY (I say MAY) influence children in a bad way with bringing adult points of view and "morality" to kids who barely left kindergarden.
I just want to know if its only my impression and if you did feel something "wrong" with this "children's book". It worries me along with the way some US (not only, but most American and some other) kids behave and more violent and open PC games for school kids.
I've noticed that it promotes a certian behaviour in children. Now I am in my 20's (yes yes
) and I can hadle certain propagada. But there are kids who are just over 8-10 who are going to read this book (its a children's book allright). Doesn't all this "challenge of authority, trust noone, adults are as smart as kids, use any method to beat your enemies, there will always be enemies, killings and so on" worry you? I find this book MAY (I say MAY) influence children in a bad way with bringing adult points of view and "morality" to kids who barely left kindergarden.I just want to know if its only my impression and if you did feel something "wrong" with this "children's book". It worries me along with the way some US (not only, but most American and some other) kids behave and more violent and open PC games for school kids.
Rambuchan
The Funky President
I disagree. There are many cultural products which promote such simplistic moralising and polarising of the world in a child's mind. This accusation cannot be levelled at HP exclusively.Gelion said:Guys don't get me wrong. I like the book, I've read it all. I'm not partuicyularly in love with it all the time, save for when I read it. I've seen all movies. One thing that bugs me about this book.
I've noticed that it promotes a certian behaviour in children. Now I am in my 20's (yes yes
I just want to know if its only my impression and if you did feel something "wrong" with this "children's book". It worries me along with the way some US (not only, but most American and some other) kids behave and more violent and open PC games for school kids.
I think part of what you are referring to may be what I was prattling on about before. That kids (and often their parents) don't stop to think that it is marketing men who've sold them these books thanks to such simple and glamorous moral messages. I wonder how many distinguish between this message and the sales message which promotes HP as being a good read.
Cuivienen
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Rambuchan said:
You missed what he was talking about entirely, having not read the books. He wasn't talking about moral messages at all, at least not about the "sharp line between good and evil" that you are always on about. In fact, if anything, he was stating that the lack of this line is a problem.
Gelion
Retired Captain
^ very close to what I mean 
added to the fact that this book is meant also for little children.
Tolkiens works are a good comparision to HP series. They are for the same age 5-100+ and yet cary different messages. HP lacks the "good" in the way that Tolkein made it. If you still follow me (and movie is not a good reference, it suffers from the same disaease as HP)
added to the fact that this book is meant also for little children.Tolkiens works are a good comparision to HP series. They are for the same age 5-100+ and yet cary different messages. HP lacks the "good" in the way that Tolkein made it. If you still follow me (and movie is not a good reference, it suffers from the same disaease as HP)
Rambuchan said:
After you mentioned it, I remembered one of my favourite scenes from the great independent movie Donnie Darko.
Have you seen it?
Spoiler :
Regards
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oagersnap
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I found this about Harry Potter:
http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/potter.htm
My favorite is this one:
Does anybody seriously believe that's true?
http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/potter.htm
My favorite is this one:
J.K.Rowling (yeah right) said:
Does anybody seriously believe that's true?
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Yes you're right I did miss his point. Sorry.Cuivienen said:
Now why don't you apologise for becoming so judgemental yourself (about me for not having read the book)? You're getting a little carried away, and have been ever since I dropped that bombshell earlier on. Besides, I haven't always been on about any sharp dividing moral line up until that post.
And btw, you are falling exactly into the category I described in my last point - you're failing to consider where HP stands within popular culture as a whole. And what forces have come to bear on your decisions to defend it so strongly. Instead you are jumping down the throat of folk who are trying to widen the debate somewhat. Do you want to talk about the full HP phenomenon? Or just confine this to folk who've read the books and only talk about their contents? It's a cultural phenomenon we've got our hands on here and there's plenty more to talk about. The literature police has given way to the HP enforcement agency!
Ever thought how we see blurred moral lines in cultural output more these days? As in the current Batman Begins? Or in Sin City? Ever considered how notions of personal morality, which overides institutional morality, is on the rise? Let's widen it a bit please and not turn into an HP fanclub thread.
@ FredLC: Donnie Darko rocks. And that convo is remembered quite well. It is totally on the mark.
nonconformist
Miserable
No I won't.
I read the first three books. Where do I start?
The Harry Potter world is BS. Not the magic. But the charachters are purer than snow. They aren't sexually, morally, or mentally impure. They aren't completely immature gits.
Now tell me what teenagers aren't homorne filled, hyperactive, fantasizing, stealing, fighting, arrogant, cheeky, teasing buggers? Which teenagers haven't stolen p[eople's shoes, and thrown them into trees, or teased the foreign substitute teachers, or started fires in bins? It's pure crap.
But wait....they have to disobey rules, for certain reasons, yet they still get rewarded? They go around, sneaking into forbidden areas, and do dangerous stuff? Now excuse me, but if I didn't have a really good excuse, and a clean record, I'd have been expelled by now.
Another thing: Harry Potter is the agent of Adam Smith. Yep, it's one huge, money making scam, to seperate gulible teens with their cash.
Okay, you release a number of books, not too bad.
Then you hugely inflate the prices of the books, so I could probably buy DVDs, computer games, and who know's what else for the same price (I could have a good weekend for that sort of cash!).
The books are expensive. They don't even release them in paperback.
Then you get to all the spinoff merchandise.
"Harry Potter PC game". "Harry Potter Lego set". "Harry Potter Barry Bumpkin Magical Broad Bean Sweets". "Harry Potter underwear set" "Harry Potter carrot" "Harry Potter jackboots and armband".
It just isn't funny anymore. I swear they've imprisoned the same people who did Star Wars in a little underground bunker, and a re feeding them a bowl of gruel a day, to force them to come up with more crazy, money spinning scheme.
Sheesh, no wonder Harry Potter is so unrealtic, and hasn't joined the Young Socialists
I read the first three books. Where do I start?
The Harry Potter world is BS. Not the magic. But the charachters are purer than snow. They aren't sexually, morally, or mentally impure. They aren't completely immature gits.
Now tell me what teenagers aren't homorne filled, hyperactive, fantasizing, stealing, fighting, arrogant, cheeky, teasing buggers? Which teenagers haven't stolen p[eople's shoes, and thrown them into trees, or teased the foreign substitute teachers, or started fires in bins? It's pure crap.
But wait....they have to disobey rules, for certain reasons, yet they still get rewarded? They go around, sneaking into forbidden areas, and do dangerous stuff? Now excuse me, but if I didn't have a really good excuse, and a clean record, I'd have been expelled by now.
Another thing: Harry Potter is the agent of Adam Smith. Yep, it's one huge, money making scam, to seperate gulible teens with their cash.
Okay, you release a number of books, not too bad.
Then you hugely inflate the prices of the books, so I could probably buy DVDs, computer games, and who know's what else for the same price (I could have a good weekend for that sort of cash!).
The books are expensive. They don't even release them in paperback.
Then you get to all the spinoff merchandise.
"Harry Potter PC game". "Harry Potter Lego set". "Harry Potter Barry Bumpkin Magical Broad Bean Sweets". "Harry Potter underwear set" "Harry Potter carrot" "Harry Potter jackboots and armband".
It just isn't funny anymore. I swear they've imprisoned the same people who did Star Wars in a little underground bunker, and a re feeding them a bowl of gruel a day, to force them to come up with more crazy, money spinning scheme.
Sheesh, no wonder Harry Potter is so unrealtic, and hasn't joined the Young Socialists
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