Hermetic lore for FFH DI4 (not for use outside this game)

[apenpaap]

I have chosen to put the Prophecy in Galveholm. It would be great to force Junil to raze his own holy city, but in the end it would not matter a lot towards the Armageddon Counter because the Barbarians will all get killed.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

I have chosen to put the Prophecy in Galveholm. It would be great to force Junil to raze his own holy city, but in the end it would not matter a lot towards the Armageddon Counter because the Barbarians will all get killed.

True, should be fun, this is really shaping up. If the hero unit for the Shiem is important did you give him held? because if not he may just wander over to the Lanun and slaughter them (if thats okay with you then go ahead

Good job on the Pyhre thing, Thats one less thing to worry about. Mammon as usual is swaggering around seducing beings here and their to his greedy ways.

We have two spellcasters on the board now again, has anyone played through for a crash test? I cant at the moment.

 

[Lade]

"The hearts of mortals may be swayed so easily," said Junil, rising from his throne to glare at Mammon, "but I am not so easily convinced. It is true that many of them have allowed you're influence into their very lives even to enact my will. If I had my way however, they would put less time looking into their financial situations and more time making sure the influence of your evils were wiped for Erebus!"

Even Mammon stirred warily, and Junil's own host of angels tensed: though Junil was a god of wars and Mammon was not, Mammon was still a god, and far surpassed them. If there was a fight, they would surely lose their lives: a fate they were all devoted to take, to be sure, but the catastroph a god's fight could take in another's vault was limitless, and there would be no guarantee Mammon would not escape.

But Junil sat on His throne, cupped his hands, and considered. What were the angles of Mammon's benefit? Did those outweight the benefits? What was the best course of action? When he spoke, it was firm, and full of conviction.

"I care not where you place my Holy city, nor whom it is ruled by." Mammon relaxed, but Junil continued. " However, make no mistake! If I discover that any of your taint has been injected into these places, I will not stop until I ensure the place has been razed to the ground!"

"As you desire," said Mammon, and was pleased indeed.

When did Junil say that, and why are you pleased at the idea!

Still, it slightly worries me that a "false order" religion will make the real good hard to come by. Who will be the real champion of goodness? It almost makes this seem like a dark fantasy or something!

 

[Dean_the_Young]

When did Junil say that,

And I quote verbatum from our private message:

The hearts of mortals may be swayed so easily, but I am not so easily convinced. It is true that many of them have allowed you're influence into their very lives even to enact my will. If I had my way however, they would put less time looking into their financial situations and more time making sure the influence of your evils were wiped for Erebus!

I care not where you place my Holy city, nor whom it is ruled by. However, if I discover that any of your taint has been injected into these places, I will not stop until I ensure the place has been razed to the ground!

Now now, Junil: oathbreaking is one of the most serious crimes of your domain. Stand by your word, or renounce yourself.

and why are you pleased at the idea!

Why wouldn't I be, Brother God? I came to you with my offer, did I not?

If you are upset, you can always raze your Holy Shrine from Erebus, where it will never be seen again...

 

[Ravus_Sol]

When did Junil say that, and why are you pleased at the idea!

Still, it slightly worries me that a "false order" religion will make the real good hard to come by. Who will be the real champion of goodness? It almost makes this seem like a dark fantasy or something!

aparantly a pm between mammon and junil. *shrug* and you are right it makes the good guys have an even more difficult time. Although i'm not sure this counts as a false order. It is merely the holy city being founded along with the shrine in the dragons city of Templarum. It is the poor and the slaves which allow the pure laws of Order to burn in their hearts. It is more a quest for the bannor to fulfil to claim back a powerful holy city. I do believe that the Order should be spread in Bannor lands for narrative though. Otherwise it doesn't make sense for them to crusade to get it back for awhile.

I was under the impression FFH was a dark fantasy?

I figured that Lugus would end up adopting Cardith Lorda and leading the way of peace throughout the land with Empeream (sp). But with Duc Resigining from the role of Lugus i guess that one is out.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

I suggest letting the Bannor come to religion as they will. No reason to force it upon them: 'standard' religions are such a bore.

 

[Lade]

And I quote verbatum from our private message:

Now now, Junil: oathbreaking is one of the most serious crimes of your domain. Stand by your word, or renounce yourself.

I was joking. Probably should've used the smiley. I liked the stuff you added.

 

[FireBlaze]

I'm not exactly sure if I want the Clan to go Order. I wouldn't mind if I could keep them Evil while they're order, then I could do some perverse Bhall Order worship, with all the sacrifices that keep the wheels turning.

 

[Bootsiuv]

I'm not exactly sure if I want the Clan to go Order. I wouldn't mind if I could keep them Evil while they're order, then I could do some perverse Bhall Order worship, with all the sacrifices that keep the wheels turning.

Is that adjustable in WB though?

I'm still not aware of everything you can do (couldn't figure out how to remove gold, so assumed it couldn't be done, but someone else figured out how to do it....so apparently I just suck )

It would be nice if it was available.

I took the save, and I can playtest 10 turns or something to check for any crashes, but 100 turns would probably take hours, and I have to work tomorrow.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

I'm not exactly sure if I want the Clan to go Order. I wouldn't mind if I could keep them Evil while they're order, then I could do some perverse Bhall Order worship, with all the sacrifices that keep the wheels turning.

Not sure if you can keep them evil, not sure how one would go about doing that. At the moment the Clan arn't order. Just the barbarian city near them. I don't think they will get order either as i think the religions can only spread across trade lines and barbarians don't trade (is this correct?)

 

[Lgaard]

I suggest letting the Bannor come to religion as they will. No reason to force it upon them: 'standard' religions are such a bore.

Junil, don't get manipulated. Order is appropriate to Bannor the same way as AV is for Sheaim. And in this particular circumstances (Holy Shrine = Code of Junil [sic!] claimed by an evil dragon) it is not bore at all! Perfect reason for a crusade and looking for allies. Think it out before the next intervention round.

 

[Lgaard]

Most nations starts their early preparations for a race to ascendency, while elves are still at war (that's fun) and going more and more into economical ruin (that still fun, but...) so they may be marginalized quite soon (that's not that much fun).
Onion, are you even here?

 

[Lgaard]

Aeron, is that fine if I move The Spire of Rage 2 tiles northward, so it stands in still unexplored part of the map?

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Most nations starts their early preparations for a race to ascendency, while elves are still at war (that's fun) and going more and more into economical ruin (that still fun, but...) so they may be marginalized quite soon (that's not that much fun).
Onion, are you even here?

Onion said he didn't mind if the war continued, and that he'd support who ever founded or worshiped Way of the Leaves. So i guess he's leaning more to supporting his religion then specific civilizations. He'll probably jump in when one of the elves founds the religion or someone else does.

If it hasn't been founded by the next intervention i was going to recomend the religion be spread via-gods. I'm just having as much fun spreading the war untill they go all hippie love fest on me they'll bounce back.

 

[Onionsoilder]

Onion, are you even here?

Yes .

 

[Vandal Warlord]

Aeron, is that fine if I move The Spire of Rage 2 tiles northward, so it stands in still unexplored part of the map?

I have no qualms, so go ahead.

 

[FireBlaze]

Oh believe me, the Order will spread from the Dragon to the Orcs, and you definitely can't change religion in WB (No changes were made to it, so you can only change things that were in BtS)

 

[Lade]

Junil, don't get manipulated.

Of course not. I'll probably spread Order to the Bannor either this intervention or the next.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

I suppose I'll have to spread Ashen Veil to them, then.

Really, be creative, people! Make things interesting! If you're Good, trying redeeming Evil!

 

[Bootsiuv]

I gave my Lich the Channeling I-III promos, the Death I-III promos, and Potency.

I played the game for five turns, with no crashes.

That being said, I would like to see all fifty turns played if possible, once all changes are made. If a crash comes at some point, we'll know to check if removing the magic promos from my Lich fixes things....hopefully everything will work okay.

I'll likely take a few days to write my narrative....the part introducing Gerran to the Legend of Azarex Ra will be posted first.

Another important note....I gave him a plantation on his dye outside of Bloodstone. I was going to give him a healthy infusion of gold....say ~100 gc's, but forgot.

Someone else should consider doing it....he also could use a few other economical improvements perhaps, although we shouldn't make it too easy.

He's breaking even at 40% research right now, and that's probably a little too harsh.