Hermetic lore for FFH DI4 (not for use outside this game)

[Lgaard]

Did you also remove the fortress?

I moved everything: march, citadel, all units, even names: POssessed Citadel, Swamp od Dagorlad, Emyn-muil. They look similar, but in the different location. Only thing that I changed was that i added 2 ocean tiles within the marches, so they look like strange, unnatural pools.

 

[Babale]

OK, so reactions to the assassin fiasco:

I'm not angry at the the Grigori, but I despise Comillo himself. I view him as a deserter, having left the Grigori and used a powerful evil artifact against them. Because of this, I think Gerran will soon see a group of Paladins of Kilmorph who demand that the assassin will be handed over to them. (I can have paladins even though I'm Lawful Neutral, right? I can see why Lawful Good people would serve me, plus you can be the paladin of a cause, so...) In addition, I may choose to reveal to the Hippus and Banor the name of Comillo, and making sure to mention he was acting without Grigori support. Or better yet... I'll give Gerran a quest to turn Comillo in to them.

 

[Bootsiuv]

@Lgaard

You'll have to add your changes later...he took the save a few days ago.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

He also returned the save, as his OOC stated, because of the issues. He has not played it.

Comillo has not deserted the Grigori. He certainly disobeyed, but he has not been spurned.

Rather than Paladins, I recommend you use the Kilimorph religious military units. Far more balanced for this point in the game, but also, you know, appropriate for Kilimorph.

I don't think it needs to be said that I will seek to nullify any curse on Comillo.

 

[Bootsiuv]

Oh, my bad then.

 

[Babale]

It's on, Dean. It's on.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

Is this to say that it was not, quote/unquote, "on" before?

Now, I suppose there are two ways to act. I could simply bless Comillo with promotions to counter your maladies...

Or I could curse the Grigori in equal measure until you stop.

Or the Dwarves. That to.


Of course, driving Kilimorph into very evil acts, making Kilimorph act very un-Kilimorph indeed, would lead Kilimorph to fall and would be greedy of me, to twist such a source of wealth to my choosing. Already Kilimorph has wavered, supporting gambling and irresponsibility. Tipping a god would be quite the prize...

 

[Babale]

I'm not so sure I've tipped at all, Dean. Just because YOU interpret it as such does not mean you're right. I'm sure that I can find someone out there who thinks that YOU have RISEN...

 

[Lgaard]

Don't worry, Babale. According to Dean, Mammon had won the game before it was even started. According to him, all motivations anyone could have in this game, (including gods, Gerran, AIs etc.) are driven by greed. Using such axiom, by purely logical means, he can prove all our actions are serving his purpose.

I don't care. Let him claim his "victory".

Do your job as you think it should be done. Afterall Verdian is the player in this game and it is Verdian who makes ultimate decisions. As long as Verdian is pleased with our interventions - we are doing good job.

 

[Diamondeye]

@ Dean.

That said, I wouldn't say that it would be proper for Kilmorph to intervene simply because this action is inspired by Mammon. Thousands of smaller and larger actions are that every day/year/turnset, and you're not doing anything against them.

But let's see Verdian's narrative before we pass judgement...

 

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm not so sure I've tipped at all, Dean. Just because YOU interpret it as such does not mean you're right. I'm sure that I can find someone out there who thinks that YOU have RISEN...

Mainly cause I bribe them.

Don't worry, Babale. According to Dean, Mammon had won the game before it was even started. According to him, all motivations anyone could have in this game, (including gods, Gerran, AIs etc.) are driven by greed. Using such axiom, by purely logical means, he can prove all our actions are serving his purpose.

I don't care. Let him claim his "victory".

Do your job as you think it should be done. Afterall Verdian is the player in this game and it is Verdian who makes ultimate decisions. As long as Verdian is pleased with our interventions - we are doing good job.

I didn't claim to win the game, only that battle of minds of making them stoop to beg and rely on the gods. Never claimed perfect victories.

When the motivations are of greed and self-interest, it does fall in my domain. Tis why I have the largest claims on souls and demons of all the gods.

Tali's been pretty uncorruptable by me because, as he says, he's irresponsible and doesn't care about anything but the adventure. Hence he isn't doing it for greed, and is true to his nature.

Kilimorph siding with irresponsibility, however, was a significant departure from Kilimorph's nature, and one of the things about the Gods is that they can't change their nature because it's determined by their mana sphere, and the only way to change the sphere is to corrupt it and Fall.

So if Kilimorph continues to do more and more un-Kilimorph things for un-Kilimorph reasons, then I think we gods of evil can have claim to making them Fall.

Likewise, if I start being magnanimous and generous and not-greedy, you all could deem me as having Risen.

 

[Bootsiuv]

Or we could deem you as not actually thinking you were the god of Greed....or is this not the OOC thread.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm breaking the fourth wall, am I not? Now lean closer to your screen so I can pimp-slap you.

 

[Dayen]

I'm breaking the fourth wall, am I not? Now lean closer to your screen so I can pimp-slap you.

Only Deadpool can do that.

 

[Babale]

Technically, I was never a GOOD god, so I can't exactly fall.

Maybe I should rise... Hm... As Lawful-Good, I can send out OotS-Miko-Style paladins... I'm considering it.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

Only Deadpool can do that.

And you think I'm smarter than Deadpool?

Technically, I was never a GOOD god, so I can't exactly fall.

Not true at all. Good/Neutral/Evil classification for the Gods is strictly in their alignment with the One and the resulting Gods War. Neutral Gods can Fall, corrupting their spheres accordingly. This has already happened in part/is in the process of happening for Arwan, God of Death, and Danalin, God of Water, both Neutral gods. The Death sphere itself has been corrupted by necromancy magic, and there is no true death magic anymore. Hastur's whispers to the sleeping Danalin have given him nightmares, birthing the Overlords and making the sphere of Water into something far more cruel and harsh.

Kilimorph can fall... if she continues actions against her nature.

 

[Dayen]

And you think I'm smarter than Deadpool?

A) Nobody is smarter than Deadpool. This has been empirically proven.
B) Everybody is less insane than Deadpool. This has been empirically proven.

 

[Bootsiuv]

C) Using the word "empirically" before the word "proven" has been empirically proven NOT to make proofs more empirical by nature.

 

[FireBlaze]

the game

Damn.

 

[Lgaard]

So if Kilimorph continues to do more and more un-Kilimorph things for un-Kilimorph reasons, then I think we gods of evil can have claim to making them Fall.

When exactly did it happen, and what was that? Have I missed something important?