I'm talking about an underlying ideology which claims Spain in its entirety is occupied Muslim land, and you reply with a comment on symbols? Maybe the language barrier here isn't getting the point across clearly, so I'll rephrase my entire argument - the way in which they pass the message means just as much as what the message says. They don't use symbolism to describe the UK as the lapdog of the US as a symbol - they say it because they honeslty consider the UK to be a heathen nation and Spain to be occupied land.
The main reason for doing things in the army, at least when I was there, wasn't "ideology", but rather the subjective point of view of "Not getting sent to the stockade for violating a direct order". While ideology does have a place in the military, from what I can gather from second hand accounts of very close friends of mine, most of the time armed engagements are survival situations in which you act according to your training and usually in self-defense, rather than out of glorious patriotism and benefit for your great nation. Military personnel are also seldom motivated to the point of comitting suicide for their country as a general means of policy, and when someone does go around jumping on a grenade to save his squadmates, it's never the result of standarized training but always of personal moral character. As a non-combat veteran, from a subjective point of view, I would have to strongly disagree with your idea of military indoctrination - we're trained by the army, not brainwashed.
So why not riot against the reason you're poor to begin with - your own government?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The fact he's a known bigot doesn't discredit every single he ever said. The French immigrant riots were a cultural clash at its finest, and no ammount of embelishment will alter the fact that the majority of the arrested people in the riots and the majority of the participants were of North-African descent.Strangely enough, the self proclaimed xenophobe hold the same opinion about muslim immigrants you have
He also is anti-semetic. There are actually french-arabs dumb enough to vote for him because he hates Jews and french-jews just as dumb to vote for him because he hates Arabs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France
I never claimed they were solely a muslim thing. I simply claim that the most radical of the muslim rioters, which sadly make up for a rather disturbing ammount of the faith, weren't there for the discrimination of poor people by the government. They were there because they were pissed off at their "alienation" as a result of their refusal to blend in, and burnt cars and buildings to vent their frustration at realizing the world wasn't going to change to adapt to the minority but that things worked the other way around.
Quite possibly the most helpful solution I've heard yet.
and well, as we know, 90% of the people here are Muslim.
