His Rhodos, hic saltas!

carlosMM

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(This is Rhodos, now jump!) Ancient Greek saying, going back to the story of an athelete who kept telling everybody how great he was, because he had jumped thus-and-thus far when on Rhodos. Finally, someone had enough of his boasting and told him: 'Well, let's say HERE is Rhodos, now jump!'

i.e.: Shut up, or money up!


as the first thread was spammed to death and also distracted by an interesting debate, let's have another go:

Creationists, prove your claims (or shut up)!


THREAD RULES:

Whenever elsewhere a creatinist makes an unsubstantiated claim that is challenged, but that would be off topic to debate in that thread, I invite them to do so here.

Claims will be numbered so that duplicates can easily be referred to. If you reply, please, as the post title, include the number of the claim to refer to.

Proof must include:
- a testable hypothesis that has predictive powers
- evidence in favor
- predictions proven correct from it, if possible


If the claim is not substanciated here and is reiterated elsewhere, I will use links to this thread to show that the person putting it forth is not willing to prove it.


CLAIMS:


1
fing0lfin said:
Humans are not animals. The mind makes us different. Our oppertunity to take choices.

Please show how animlas cannot choose.
Please show how humans can choose.

2
Elrohir said:
(paraphrased by me) Humans have a soul, all other animals do not
Please define 'soul'. Please prove humans have a soul, and at least bring strong indications that animals other than humans lack it.

3
Zany said:
[Earth is] about 5,959 years old
Please bring reliable data that indicates there is nothing on earth older than 6,000 years.


Creationists, the floor is yours!
 
*Sigh...*

Once again the Creationists demonstrate that they have no evidence whatsoever.

P.S: No, telling carlos to prove HIS point will get you nothing. He has the presupposition of truth; you have nothing that we've noticed.
 
carlosMM said:
Proof must include:
- a testable hypothesis that has predictive powers
- evidence in favor
- predictions proven correct from it, if possible

Translation: put forth your faith in such a manner that eliminates the concept of faith.
 
Pasi Nurminen said:
Translation: put forth your faith in such a manner that eliminates the concept of faith.
Translation: Pasi admits that creationism is faith and not science.

Nothing wrong with that. Just don't ever try to have it taught in schools.
 
Pasi Nurminen said:
Translation: put forth your faith in such a manner that eliminates the concept of faith.

if you had bothered to read what claims we are debating here, you would have seen that the topic of FAITH doesn't show at all.

Do animals have no soul, but humans do? please, where's the faith issue there?
Can animals make a choice? Where 's the faith?


Somehow, I can't help noticing that you try to spam up all threads that try to limit the discussion to things that cna be tested. Whenever vague specualtion abounds, you're happy, whenever someone tries to nail things down, you whine - why?

Can't hack it that you might be wrong????
 
No, it's that you're an idiot because you don't realize that any real religion cannot be proven. It's about faith, and a God that provides proof of himself isn't worth believing in.

Moderator Action: Pasi - warned for trolling. You have been taking it out on CarlosMM the whole day. If you continue you will be banned. - Rik
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
 
Pasi, I am not talking about proving religion in this thread.

I am talking about religious people making claims about SCIENTIFICALLY TESTABLE ISSUES as proof of their religious views.

This thread is about the SCIENTIFIC ISSUES they bring up! They bring them, I make them back them up or shut up.

btw, reported. Hope to see you again in a few weeks.
 
Pasi Nurminen said:
No, it's that you're an idiot because you don't realize that any real religion cannot be proven. It's about faith, and a God that provides proof of himself isn't worth believing in.

What a self defeating arguemnt.....
 
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