Historical Spawn Dates
- Thread starter Gedemon
- Start date
trying something, will post the result after the test.
alright, appreciate it
lp_04
Prince
Thanks, it's awsom!! Just a minor problem that has probably been aborded by someone: the waiting time is too slow (something normal...) but as the windows like "strongest civ" "most well feed people" appear we must stay near the computer and pau attention to it.
I just tried the 5 first tuyrns of the celts in large europe and something that was not good was the low ammount of faith I got in the beginning (15), when there was already an enhanced religion in the game. I felt like "there is no way to play in the religion line".
Beside that, awsom mod, civV needed that. Thank's for your work! And I mean, all of it, TSL, revolutions, 34 civs DLC... These are the best mods for civV IMO
I just tried the 5 first tuyrns of the celts in large europe and something that was not good was the low ammount of faith I got in the beginning (15), when there was already an enhanced religion in the game. I felt like "there is no way to play in the religion line".
Beside that, awsom mod, civV needed that. Thank's for your work! And I mean, all of it, TSL, revolutions, 34 civs DLC... These are the best mods for civV IMO
.Figured it out, been playing a game of England for some time now.
My main concern with the mod is how powerful these ancient civilizations get. India, China, Egpyt, ect easily triumph any other classical-medieval civ. This is mainly due to the fact that there is no interference from the time they are spawned till the time another civilization spawns near them.
Simply turning on raging barbarians would help but having the conversion radius set to what it is now would probably give them too much of a handicap off the bat and no conversion would probably destroy them if barbs were too close,right?
If you could explain the way your formula is set up in the LUA you showed me earlier I would like to play around with it for a little bit. Thanks GED.
My main concern with the mod is how powerful these ancient civilizations get. India, China, Egpyt, ect easily triumph any other classical-medieval civ. This is mainly due to the fact that there is no interference from the time they are spawned till the time another civilization spawns near them.
Simply turning on raging barbarians would help but having the conversion radius set to what it is now would probably give them too much of a handicap off the bat and no conversion would probably destroy them if barbs were too close,right?
If you could explain the way your formula is set up in the LUA you showed me earlier I would like to play around with it for a little bit. Thanks GED.
I've not finished my test game yet, but I think it should be over tonight.
I'll post another component I'm using then, it balance things a bit, and it will be also the first step to my Dynamic History mod.
Basically it raise the cost of settler to slow down the early civilizations, and give the later civilizations global advantage (in science, production, gold, etc...) using an unique Palace for each of them. And it also remove all traits, else Egypt, for example, is able to build all wonders... My mod won't use leaders anyway.
I'll post another component I'm using then, it balance things a bit, and it will be also the first step to my Dynamic History mod.
Basically it raise the cost of settler to slow down the early civilizations, and give the later civilizations global advantage (in science, production, gold, etc...) using an unique Palace for each of them. And it also remove all traits, else Egypt, for example, is able to build all wonders... My mod won't use leaders anyway.
That sounds good.
Turning off the convert barbarians and city states (which I don't use anyways, sorta unrealistic) and turning on raging barbarians helps a lot as well. It forces the civilizations to build their empire in a more local area where it's safe. Earlier games I noticed civs building cities in far away places that really didn't make sense but I realized that it did considering that no one was there to stop them.
Only problem I have now is getting a strong English presence into the game. Whenever they spawn, the Celts are usually pretty close and it doesn't take long for them to declare war. Since Edinburgh (their capital) is a production mad house, they push out lots of units really quick. Is -100 really a realistic spawn for the Celts? Maybe use your mod component that increases settler cost to reduce the power of the celts early on?
Turning off the convert barbarians and city states (which I don't use anyways, sorta unrealistic) and turning on raging barbarians helps a lot as well. It forces the civilizations to build their empire in a more local area where it's safe. Earlier games I noticed civs building cities in far away places that really didn't make sense but I realized that it did considering that no one was there to stop them.
Only problem I have now is getting a strong English presence into the game. Whenever they spawn, the Celts are usually pretty close and it doesn't take long for them to declare war. Since Edinburgh (their capital) is a production mad house, they push out lots of units really quick. Is -100 really a realistic spawn for the Celts? Maybe use your mod component that increases settler cost to reduce the power of the celts early on?
albie_123
Modding In Secret
I hope civilization traits have some form in your Dynamic History mod - the ones in Rhyes for Civ IV really made each Civ unique.
lp_04
Prince
I agree with albie_123
What if, instead of removing the traits, you provide some benefit for the spawning civs? Something more than just barbarian units+ CS influence.
For instance, I tried a game with france the first time I used this mod and my civ spawned in a Galia full of romans with 2 or 3 roman cities. My units went to the heart of france where there were only 8 tiles available. What if the cities in some radius (2 tiles) become yours; the cities 2-5 tiles from the spawning one (in my case, the tile supposed to belong to Paris) have a rebellion (units of the spawning faction appear near the city) and the controller of these cities must have a good military strenght to keep the empire. I don't know if this is possible, but would be somthing quite interesting. Should work for civs as well as for CS.
Other thing that could be great to your mod would be that old "Real Name Earth" we had before GaK, I mean, Cities in a certain place have a specific name, no matter what is the civ that founds the city.
I don't know if these improvements can be done, they are just suggestions.
What if, instead of removing the traits, you provide some benefit for the spawning civs? Something more than just barbarian units+ CS influence.
For instance, I tried a game with france the first time I used this mod and my civ spawned in a Galia full of romans with 2 or 3 roman cities. My units went to the heart of france where there were only 8 tiles available. What if the cities in some radius (2 tiles) become yours; the cities 2-5 tiles from the spawning one (in my case, the tile supposed to belong to Paris) have a rebellion (units of the spawning faction appear near the city) and the controller of these cities must have a good military strenght to keep the empire. I don't know if this is possible, but would be somthing quite interesting. Should work for civs as well as for CS.
Other thing that could be great to your mod would be that old "Real Name Earth" we had before GaK, I mean, Cities in a certain place have a specific name, no matter what is the civ that founds the city.
I don't know if these improvements can be done, they are just suggestions.
"traits" are planned.
but not like they are now.
More like specific objectives, specific units, specific advantages.
Some changes will be radical, but, I hope, more immersive for that kind of mod.
For example, one of the small mods I never released is removing the ability to build settlers for the Huns, but give all their melee units a strong bonus against cities (I really didn't like the way their city names was handled
). I could go further on that path and add the ability to gain more gold, beakers, culture, etc when attacking cities, without the ability to capture them.
I may use that kind of thing, maybe "tribe" civilizations without any city, we'll see.
the "unique palaces" I use for balance are kind of "traits" already, calibrated for the maps I plan to use the mod on. Russia gain territory very fast for example. European civs start late, but, added to the starting "boost", they have bonuses in their yields of science, production, gold, culture, etc...
That helps to balance the small territory available for them.
In my current test game (20 civs Large Europe, standard speed, Emperor level) Celts and England are in, it's 1923 (turns 343) and England is 4th on the civ's rank, Celts are 18th...
The tech flow seems good, playing as Russia I've just finished my first great wars bomber, will make my first landship soon (have to repair a pillaged oil well ), and my riflemen, cossack & artilleries are fighting against Austria great war infantry, hussars and canons.
I've the feeling that I will get to big of an advantage in late game in science, I need to finish it to see if Tech Diffusion is allowing the other civs to follow not to far away.
Just for reference on balance, the 10 leading civs:
Russia (me) 1513 pts
Greece 1247
Austria 945
England 905
Babylon 781
France 721
Germany 711
Egypt 704
Songhai 697
Spain 652
"Real Name Earth" is a mod I've followed since the start, I do want real city name, but the task is huge, I will request help here for the city list & position.
FramedArchitect as already coded a mod to do that on any map, I just need to add a "name by era & civilization" layer to his mod, then people will "only" have to fill the XML files with name and coordinates...
but not like they are now.
More like specific objectives, specific units, specific advantages.
Some changes will be radical, but, I hope, more immersive for that kind of mod.
For example, one of the small mods I never released is removing the ability to build settlers for the Huns, but give all their melee units a strong bonus against cities (I really didn't like the way their city names was handled
). I could go further on that path and add the ability to gain more gold, beakers, culture, etc when attacking cities, without the ability to capture them.I may use that kind of thing, maybe "tribe" civilizations without any city, we'll see.
the "unique palaces" I use for balance are kind of "traits" already, calibrated for the maps I plan to use the mod on. Russia gain territory very fast for example. European civs start late, but, added to the starting "boost", they have bonuses in their yields of science, production, gold, culture, etc...
That helps to balance the small territory available for them.
In my current test game (20 civs Large Europe, standard speed, Emperor level) Celts and England are in, it's 1923 (turns 343) and England is 4th on the civ's rank, Celts are 18th...
The tech flow seems good, playing as Russia I've just finished my first great wars bomber, will make my first landship soon (have to repair a pillaged oil well
), and my riflemen, cossack & artilleries are fighting against Austria great war infantry, hussars and canons.I've the feeling that I will get to big of an advantage in late game in science, I need to finish it to see if Tech Diffusion is allowing the other civs to follow not to far away.
Just for reference on balance, the 10 leading civs:
Russia (me) 1513 pts
Greece 1247
Austria 945
England 905
Babylon 781
France 721
Germany 711
Egypt 704
Songhai 697
Spain 652
"Real Name Earth" is a mod I've followed since the start, I do want real city name, but the task is huge, I will request help here for the city list & position.
FramedArchitect as already coded a mod to do that on any map, I just need to add a "name by era & civilization" layer to his mod, then people will "only" have to fill the XML files with name and coordinates...
Small update, and I'll post the small initial version of what will (hopefully) become my main mod in a new thread.
v.4 (May 23, 2013) :
- Bugfix: check if an unit is still on the plot where looping on before trying to convert it.
- Auto-close "Who's Winning" and Natural Wonders popups for "sleeping" human player.
Edit: thread for the dynamic history project is here
v.4 (May 23, 2013) :
- Bugfix: check if an unit is still on the plot where looping on before trying to convert it.
- Auto-close "Who's Winning" and Natural Wonders popups for "sleeping" human player.
Edit: thread for the dynamic history project is here
This mod is something Civ V needed from the start! i didn't get a full game working yet (probably coz i messed around with the dates and starting units) but i'm looking forward to it! i edited all the start dates to make it really accurate and i can list them if its wanted.
i wouldn't mind contributing what i can.
I wouldn't mind taking a look at those spawn dates, just to check haha.
Hey GEDEMON, quick question. Why does Sweden have so many barbarians? I turned on raging barbarians and most places had a decent amount of them but Swedens area literally had one on every Hex.
Hey GEDEMON, quick question. Why does Sweden have so many barbarians? I turned on raging barbarians and most places had a decent amount of them but Swedens area literally had one on every Hex.
ales_
Heir
Yes, some of the spawn dates are really strange. I have already posted my ideas higher. You can post yours and then we can discuss them.
Yes, and thanks, I've already changed some, but I forgot to add that to the change note, sorry.
Similar threads
